NFL Week 12 In Review...

GMSboy1 said:
do work son said:
So he comes into your thread to make non trolling statements that you don't disagree with yourself. I don't see the problem :nerd:
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Because it's all just to say, like always [the Cowboys have been terrible for years why are they mentioned/regarded so much, if this was any other team they'd be an afterthought].That is trolling. But if you're cool with that I'm going to make a special effort to watch Texans games and discuss
how bad you guys have been this year and how you'll always be a bad team.

All for the sake of discussion. Serious.
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please do. and if your analysis is spot on, i'll tell you so and not get hurt about it. you might agree with us, and that's fine, but there are fans in "your thread" who seem to have dissenting opinions. we can't have discussions about it?

as far as my team, we stink man :lol:

i said coming into this season we didn't upgrade anything, so by default we got worse. we have 1 1/2 quality offensive lineman. 2 good receivers, who we don't utilize. and an overrated defensive coordinator.
 
100027 said:
GMSboy1 said:
Not the case at all, you have one of the itchiest trigger fingers on this board when it comes to the Cowboys.
You didn't need to respond, you would just create your own opening. Ex. Dez has a bad game.

"Oh, look at dez he's so great with his 2 catches for 21 yards!"
Then loop it into "And great drafting by Jerry Jones picking a receiver when his o-line and d-line are so terrible!" "Doesn't know how to build a team, all glam positions"
Then loop into "And this is why they'll never win anything, Cowboy fans will still bring up Superbowls though!
Then loop itno "But why are we talking about them anyway, they've been irrelevant for so long, what is the infatuation with a loser team that hasn't won anything in 20 years?!"

Same thing all the time.
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Pretty sure you search my post history you'll find me defending Dez as well.

If you think you get mad negative responses regarding the Cowboys you should take a look at your own fans... When you have people like s4l and Larry David you're going to provoke people to mock your team from time to time.
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And I'm glad they do. Everybody who hates the cowboys and the fans already did before NT and even if Cowboy fans were like the selfteam-hating type they'd still just be characterized as boast ful, obnoxious, "bad" fans no matter if it's true or not. Might as well just prove everyone right and troll on ya'll teams like ours gets trolled.
 
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100027 said:
I've been saying this for ages, even Cowboys fans disagreeing with me.

The perception that the Cowboys have had all this talent comes from the Madden/fantasy mindset where all you need are skill positions .

When in reality we know you build off the lines and need depth to succeed, and the Cowboys have had neither. Which is why Romo has had to carry them for years.
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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

Dallas is talented at SKILL POSITIONS ONLY. TE, WR, QB, CB. Jerry drafts like he plays fantasy football. Games are not won at skill positions. Games are won in the trenches, on the oline and dlines.

Dallas can have Revis, Deion in his prime, and both Woodson's in their prime at secondary and it won't mean a damn thing if your front 7 can't generate pressure. Same thing on offense. Rice and Moss on opposite ends with T.O. in the slot, and Gonzales (prime) at TE, and doesn't mean anything with a battered oline.

This misconception of Dallas having all this talent has been going on since 2008. The most talented team we had was in 2007 and even that team lacked depth (remember the 'Human Third Down Conversion' known as Jacques Reeves?). Romo has always had to overcompensate for the lack of talent in Dallas which means he will make those gaffe's that you see once in a while because he has to do too much. The only gaffe that was really all on Romo was that botched snap, which in all honesty, shouldn't have been the one holding the snap in the first place (1st string QBs don't hold the snap).
 
GMSboy1 said:
And I'm glad they do. Everybody who hates the cowboys and the fans already did before NT and even if Cowboy fans were like the selfteam-hating type they'd still just be characterized as boa****ll, obnoxious, "bad" fans no matter if it's true or not. Might as well just prove everyone right and troll on ya'll teams like ours gets trolled.
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That might be true, but if you think I share my opinions about the Cowboys too often that might be why. Trust that they are not the first team I want to post about when I open this thread every week.

But sometimes when you see the pure foolishness in that first post, you feel the need to comment.
 
GMSboy1 said:
100027 said:
GMSboy1 said:
Because it's all just to say, like always [the Cowboys have been terrible for years why are they mentioned/regarded so much, if this was any other team they'd be an afterthought].That is trolling. But if you're cool with that I'm going to make a special effort to watch Texans games and discuss
how bad you guys have been this year and how you'll always be a bad team.

All for the sake of discussion. Serious.
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You might think I make the same point about the Cowboys and Romo repeatedly, but maybe that's just in response to others making the opposite point about Romo over and over again.
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I don't see how you can talk about the Cowboys and not mention the negatives when they have clearly struggled over the last few years. Would be like talking about the Knicks and you say "Well you always mention James Dolan being a bad owner and the team being cap strapped"
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Not the case at all, you have one of the itchiest trigger fingers on this board when it comes to the Cowboys.
You didn't need to respond, you would just create your own opening. Ex. Dez has a bad game.

"Oh, look at dez he's so great with his 2 catches for 21 yards!"
Then loop it into "And great drafting by Jerry Jones picking a receiver when his o-line and d-line are so terrible!" "Doesn't know how to build a team, all glam positions"
Then loop into "And this is why they'll never win anything, Cowboy fans will still bring up Superbowls though!
Then loop itno "But why are we talking about them anyway, they've been irrelevant for so long, what is the infatuation with a loser team that hasn't won anything in 20 years?!"

Same thing all the time.
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So much truth GMS.
 
Chester McFloppy said:
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"Lack of talent"

Got it.
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Didn't know we are using ESPN's calculation of QBR which was just created in 2011, which BTW has received much criticism for its inconsistencies, over the NFL's method of computing passer ratings since the beginning of time. To each his or her own I guess.

The article you got that from, written by that clown at 105.3 the Fan, has a known agenda against Romo for the past 7 years for what its worth. The article fails to mention how Romo fares against his competition in many of the statistics that have been brought up.

Romo has thrown 7 INTS in games tied or within a TD or less with 3 minutes to go. Compared to his counterparts: Drew Breesus: 13. Eli Manning: 16. The Rapist 2.0 (Big Ben) 13.

Romo's QB rating of 74.5 within the last 5 minutes that Fox posted towards the end of the game: Compared to the other 31 QB's in the league, Romo is ranked 10th

The Cowboys have won one of the last nine games in which Romo has thrown a fourth-quarter interception, with six of those losses coming by seven points or fewer.
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This is probably the funniest of them all :lol:

This reinforces the idea that Romo has to carry the team. Meaning if Romo plays bad, the team loses. Tom BRady threw a 4th quarter INT not too long ago but his defense gave him another opportunity to drive down the field against the Saints. He throws a game winning TD, and that 4th quarter INT is somehow forgotten.

Romo throws a 4th quarter INT and his defense fails to give him another opportunity. Suddenly, the game is Romo's fault.

See how that works?

FWIW, all QB's who throw for 4+TD's and pose a passer rating of 140+ since 1960 are 159-0-1

Tony Romo is 0-2
 
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100027 said:
Case in point... These guys in this exact thread accusing other squads of only beating mediocre teams, while pushing their chests out after beating the Giants like they just won the Super Bowl.
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You say it like this but its not the case. Super bowl is a huge reach. How about beating the Giants and acting like we beat a division rival, that came in the game talking so much caca, in their stadium, when they were coming into the game hype off of their win streak. You already like to go in the cowboys thread go and take a look at all the post. No one's making Superbowl proclamations. Get out of here with that

do work son said:
GMSboy1 said:
do work son said:
So he comes into your thread to make non trolling statements that you don't disagree with yourself. I don't see the problem :nerd:
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Because it's all just to say, like always [the Cowboys have been terrible for years why are they mentioned/regarded so much, if this was any other team they'd be an afterthought].That is trolling. But if you're cool with that I'm going to make a special effort to watch Texans games and discuss
how bad you guys have been this year and how you'll always be a bad team.

All for the sake of discussion. Serious.
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please do. and if your analysis is spot on, i'll tell you so and not get hurt about it. you might agree with us, and that's fine, but there are fans in "your thread" who seem to have dissenting opinions. we can't have discussions about it?

as far as my team, we stink man :lol:

i said coming into this season we didn't upgrade anything, so by default we got worse. we have 1 1/2 quality offensive lineman. 2 good receivers, who we don't utilize. and an overrated defensive coordinator.
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I've posted like 3 times already he's not looking to discuss anything. And you can go in the cowboy thread too. Look at all the posts before the Giants game. Dudes were really going in on the team and I didn't post anything. That's not my issue. It's dude with the subtle shots trying to pass it off as discussion in the Cowboy thread. That's my only issue. Never said anything when he did it the NFL thread, WIR's, etc.
 
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Feels like a High school girls drama class in here
 
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DeadsetAce said:
says a TON
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in his favor , IMO . with those numbers , all you need is a slightly competent performance from your defense and special teams to win

i dont think his problem is a lack of talent or a lack of weapons , its the structure he works in

i said it a while ago -- put him in a more disciplined and structured system; give him a coach like Andy Reid who protects his quarterbacks and you're going to eliminate some of his problems . for whatever reason its not getting drilled in his head to not feel like he needs to make the spectacular play at the end to win it
 
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This reinforces the idea that Romo has to carry the team. Meaning if Romo plays bad, the team loses.
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WELCOME TO THE NFL.

If Andy Dalton plays bad, the Bengals lose. We see it all the time.
If Peyton Manning plays bad, the Broncos lose. We saw it in the second half of the game with the Patriots.
If "FILL IN THE BLANK QB" plays bad, there's a good chance "FILL IN THE BLANK" team is going to lose.



But let me get this straight: if Romo had proper coaching, a good offensive line, a good defensive line, a top-10 defense, and real weapons... we wouldn't be talking about this? Anything I missed?

How many QBs in today's NFL have all of those luxuries? Are we making excuses for everyone now?
 
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Chester McFloppy said:
WELCOME TO THE NFL.

If Andy Dalton plays bad, the Bengals lose. We see it all the time.
If Peyton Manning plays bad, the Broncos lose. We saw it in the second half of the game with the Patriots.
If "FILL IN THE BLANK QB" plays bad, there's a good chance "FILL IN THE BLANK" team is going to lose.



But let me get this straight: if Romo had proper coaching, a good offensive line, a good defensive line, a top-10 defense, and real weapons... we wouldn't be talking about this? Anything I missed?

How many QBs in today's NFL have all of those luxuries? Are we making excuses for everyone now?
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Wish I wasn't at work so I could post that Joker "Not sure if serious" picture.

The point I'm making isn't necessarily about QBs playing bad although I'll list some examples below. My point is that usually when a QB plays really well, then the chances are he gets a bounce here or there from special teams, or a defense to get the win. However, how many 300 yard, 3TD games has Romo played in and the Cowboys still lose? Plenty.

And correct me if I'm wrong, as I was dosing off during the first half of the game, but wasn't NE down by 24 and Peyton had only posted up very few completions and 1 TD at most? Weren't most of the scoring plays defensive and one with Moreno, yet they were up 24-0?

Colin Kapenerick was 6/15 and did not have a completion from mid 1st quarter til the end of the third quarter against Houston. -- San Fran won 34-3.

Aaron Rodgers completed 56% of his passes, 0 TD's, and 2 INTS in the NFC Championship game -- Green Bay won 21-14

The Rapist 2.0 was 5/17 completing 26% of his passes, 0 TD's 0 Ints -- Pittsburgh wins 23-6

I'm not going to sit here and keep provding examples because I'm sure you get the point.

How many times can Romo pose 0 TD's and 2 Ints and the Cowboys win by a TD? How often can Romo pose 6/15 going two quarters without completing a pass and the Cowboys win? How often can Romo pose 5/17 and complete 26% of his passes and throw 0 TD's and the Cowboys still win by 3 possessions?

People are already shaking their head as their reading this as if I'm here to overrate Romo when I've said countless times he's in the second tier of QB's. But his gaffe's are overblown based on where he plays and as noted above, he has to overcompensate for a severe lack of talent.

But again, the stat that all QB's who complete 4 TDs and have a QB rating of 140+ being 159-0-1 with the exception of Romo, who is 0-2, can't be ignored that this isn't a clear indication that he has to put everything on his shoulders. Only Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are capable of this and even they struggle sometime.

But as other posters have already noted, those on the "other side" refuse to see this side of the argument, which has been debated for countless years so there's nothing to debate because your mind will remain the same unless he gets a SB ring.

One last stat and I'll let you guys post gifs/memes and jokes about excuses and whatever and leave this discussion alone:

Romo is the first QB in the NFL to pose a 102.3 QB rating in the regular season (4th best behind Rodgers, Brees, and Brady) and miss the post season.
 
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Do ya'll understand that it doesn't matter what Romo does, it will be his fault? That's how it goes. You're the QB, you take the blame. You can provide as many examples as you want and as unfair as it might be that's how it goes. The QB gets all the shine and glory when things are going well, and they get all the blame when things aren't. It's simple.
 
The thing that's funny to me about these Romo captains is they act like people say Romo is garbage or he can't play. If anybody does say that then yeah that's hate. He's very talented, He can put up great #'s but for whatever reason when yall need to make the playoffs or win a playoff game he falls apart. Damn near every time. All these stats look great, now don't throw multiple INT's and fumbles in a win or go home situation.
 
It's like I can break Romo down in 2 sentences or less but every week of every year there's pages and pages of paragraphs and paragraphs of people trying to figure this man out. There's no point in even stating my very very very simple 2 sentence or less break down of this very simple man because I know the response will be "well what ya gotta understand is when're there's 6 minutes left in the fourth quarter Tony Romo has such and such amazing QB rating while his Left tackle gets a pancake only 4% of the time and if he gets them in FG range his Kicker makes it only 40% of the time, 25% of those 40% makes his own coach ices the kicker, but when the kicker makes the field goal 10% of the time their defense is 30th in the league when there's a minute remaining down 3 points. So basically to sum it up Tony is the greatest and every body else including you sucks" Then include a stat here that's says he's better than Rodgers who already has a Super Bowl in this situation, include a stat there that says he's better than Brees who already has a Superbowl in that situation, its not his fault because of the media, and its even not his fault because of the team he plays for.

Every time.
 
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People get on Romo because of how he shrinks in a big spot, it's not about his lack of talent because he surely has talent.

Wasn't Romo playing some of his best football late last season for a change, only to throw 3 interceptions in a division clinching game, including that inexcusable last one when all they needed was a FG? What was his excuse then?
 
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Mez 0ne said:
People get on Romo because of how he shrinks in a big spot, it's not about his lack of talent because he surely has talent.

Wasn't Romo playing some of his best football late last season for a change, only to throw 3 interceptions in a division clinching game, including that inexcusable last one when all they needed was a FG? What was his excuse then?
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The argument is that the more you have to press, the more chances you have to make a mistake.
 
The bottom line is ... Romo throws that one pass or bobbles that one snap that loses the game ... Until he wins a Super Bowl he cannot escape his past ... Do those occurrences have an adverse effect on his overall stats? No ... But that doesn't excuse them in the slightest ... The problem is, I can't definitively say Romo wins if he takes Trent Dilfer's place on the Ravens or Eli's on NYG ... Because he's never showed me he could ... You either win or lose in life and Romo has not won in the NFL ... Wife, money, dream - yes ... Games - no ...

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