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bilboshmangins said:
How can that be the case when modern medicines fathers where oblivious to this 'African science'?
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The same way they were oblivious about real African History. It is called "white supremacy"

We all know of Hippocrates and the "Hippocratic Oath", but don't know anything about Imhotep, who happens to be the real father of medicine. Ancient Africans have been performing surgery and using natural medicines for thousands of years. it didn't start in Europe.

Where do you think Europeans learned from?

It is well documented that Greeks and other Europeans studied in Africa. This is where they got their knowledge from. Even today, students at Harvard University Herbaria study indigenous cultures to synthesize natural medicines aboriginal people have been using for thousands of years.



Look at the Dogons of Mali, scientist are still baffled about their acute knowledge of astronomy.
 
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Ancient Egyptian Surgical tools
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Ancient Egyptian Medical Papyrus
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The medicine of the ancient Egyptians is some of the oldest documented. From the beginnings of the civilization in the c. 33rd century BC until the Persian invasion of 525 BC, Egyptian medical practice went largely unchanged but was highly advanced for its time, including simple non-invasive surgery, setting of bones and an extensive set of pharmacopoeia. Egyptian medical thought influenced later traditions, including the Greeks.
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knowledgebones72 said:
I don't get it.

Western civilation can base itself in the study of ancient Egyptian science/philosophy, but it's not cool to talk about it?
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what is the topic of discussion?

A. All Black people descended from Kings and scientists

B. The egyptians are the main figures at the forefront of all medicine and science

C. All accomplishments and civilizations in africa can be traced back to an initial migration from egypt
 
CreateDestroy said:
knowledgebones72 said:
I don't get it.

Western civilation can base itself in the study of ancient Egyptian science/philosophy, but it's not cool to talk about it?
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what is the topic of discussion?

A. All Black people descended from Kings and scientists

B. The egyptians are the main figures at the forefront of all medicine and science

C. All accomplishments and civilizations in africa can be traced back to an initial migration from egypt
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The second thing you said is true, though.
 
CreateDestroy said:
the egyptian circlejerk continues
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[Sarcasm]Yea because everything we've posted dealt only with Egyptians.[/Sarcasm]

I posted info about West Africa and the Moors, yet as soon as I post a couple of things about Egypt here you come with absolutely nothing to contribute.

The thread is about African history so naturally we're going to focus on the most relevant aspects of African history. But you are the expert on African History, you tell us what we should be posting about? :rolleyes
 
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Egypt didn't exist outside of African culture. Egyptian culture is a culmination of many earlier African societies and belief systems. The earliest dynasties of Egypt gave reverence to the Twa people and deified them as seen these pics.


Found in Horus temple in Dendara Egypt
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Twa/Pygmy Oldest people on Earth
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Egyptian representation of Anu/Twa people (God Bes)
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A guardian god. Bes was a foreign god, an import from the land of Nubia. He was jolly, fond of music, and dancing. He was a popular god who was adopted by the middle classes; he was considered a tutelary god of childbirth and, strangely enough, of cosmetics and female adornments. Bes chased away demons of the night and guarded men from dangerous animals. His image was carved on bedpost. He eventually became a protector of the dead and, amazingly, competed with even the refined and magnificent god Osiris for the attentions of men. He was originally the protective deity of the royal house of Egypt, but came to be a popular household deity throughout Egypt.
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Aksumite Empire and Kingdom (Ethiopia)


Axum(Ethiopian) King: Emperor Tewodros II
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Axum Obelisk
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Axumite Currency
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By the late 3rd century it had begun Minting its own “currency” and was named by Mani as one of the four great powers of his time along with Persia, Rome, and China.
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Aksum was also the first major empire to convert to Christianity.They converted to Christianity in 325 or 328 under King Ezana and was the first state ever, to use the image of the “Cross” on its coins..
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https://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/tag/adulis/
 
SpottieOttie305 said:
Aksumite Empire and Kingdom (Ethiopia)


Axum(Ethiopian) King: Emperor Tewodros II


Axum Obelisk


Fasilides Castle (17th Century Ethiopian Castle)


Axumite Currency

The Lalibela
By the late 3rd century it had begun Minting its own “currency” and was named by Mani as one of the four great powers of his time along with Persia, Rome, and China.
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Aksum was also the first major empire to convert to Christianity.They converted to Christianity in 325 or 328 under King Ezana and was the first state ever, to use the image of the “Cross” on its coins..
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Click link for more info
https://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/tag/adulis/
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you do realize that you're just reposting things we've already talked about?
 
Overstating ones achievements reeks of desperation and insecurity; and insulting other people's achievements to make yours seem more worthwhile carries the same aire.

I ask these questions not to derail the thread but to provoke thought. Half the stuff being said is being posted with no consideration of the implications of some of the statements. To say that 'African science' is the birth place of modern medicine is, dare I say, quite a provocative statement; and to think that you can say something like that without being checked speaks to your overall naivete.
 
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bilboshmangins said:
I said that it's quackery because I've lived it.
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Point taken, as there are many Africans today who have perverted the original teachings. But you can't deny the fact that African Sciences are the basis for modern day science.

African priests were the original healers, botanist, astrologist, etc. That is where it all started. Observation and the mastery of nature.
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Every culture has had priests and healers. Medicine and religion have gone hand in hand for millenia.
 
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Coin bearing the image of Hannibal Barca and his famed battalion of elephants
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In 247 B.C., the year Hannibal Barca was born, the Carthage empire was about 500 years old. Known as one of the greatest strategist in military history, the battles of Hannibal would strike a turning point in the history of the continent that would be called Africa.
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Carthage had been settled by Phoenicians in North Africa near the current Tunis. In his 1961 work, French Historian Gabriel Audisio comments that he considered “Hannibal to be neither a Phoenician, nor a Carthaginian, nor a Punic, but a North African… The majority of the Punic populace seems to have had African, indeed Negroid, ancestry.”
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There is still some question on whether Hannibal was black, but I thought it was noteworthy info. Does anyone have any good info on the Punic Wars and Hannibal Barca?
 
bilboshmangins said:
Overstating ones achievements reeks of desperation and insecurity; and insulting other people's achievements to make yours seem more worthwhile carries the same aire.

I ask these questions not to derail the thread but to provoke thought. Half the stuff being said is being posted with no consideration of the implications of some of the statements. To say that 'African science' is the birth place of modern medicine is, dare I say, quite a provocative statement; and to think that you can say something like that without being checked speaks to your overall naivete.
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I'm curious what your point of view is. Human origins, culture origins etc. I'm aware some of the stuff isn't presented with undeniable truth. But I genuinely would like to know where your perspective is coming from and what your objective with the thread is besides the obvious rejection of stuff posted this far
 
bilboshmangins said:
Overstating ones achievements reeks of desperation and insecurity; and insulting other people's achievements to make yours seem more worthwhile carries the same aire.
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How did I overstate Africa's achievements? I posted facts that can be backed up by scholarship. If what I am stating is wrong please provide counterarguments backed by solid scholarship and we can discuss it.

You have provided no evidence to counter anything I've posted... just conjecture and your opinion.


bilboshmangins said:
Every culture has had priests and healers. Medicine and religion have gone hand in hand for millenia.
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It is an irrefutable fact that Africa is home to the oldest people and cultures on Earth, yet you question where these things got started? You find the oldest forms of religion, mathematics, science, astrology, in Africa. Who is being naive here?
 
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