Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead in Manhattan apartment

I have never in my life heard anyone even attempt to rank Cranston above PSH in acting.

Plus, Buscemi and PSH are in the same generation of actors. They're equals if anything with Boardwalk letting Buscemi move above PSH in popularity.

Christopher Walken isn't a character actor. Dude has been a star/lead actor for decades now.
 
RustyShackleford said:
YOU not people but Cranston ahead of PSH.

Cranston performance on BB was amazing but is literally the only major thing on homeboy's resume

If Cranston died tomorrow, all people should be talking about is BB and maybe Malcolm in the Middle. Sites have been running articles tittled "PSH top 10 roles" "PSH top 15 movies" "PSH top 12 movies"
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Me? Bro again Cranston is far more widely acclaimed than Hoffman, is this not true?


Is this not what this discussion is about? General perception?


And generally do people honestly know PSH for "The Savages" or "Capote"? I don't think most people even knew about those movies.


And even people who knew about those movies I don't think most people put PSH ahead of Cranston before today. I'm not buying that.
 
What are you really hoping to achieve by scolding others for having admiration for a dead man?
 
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SneakerHeathen said:
RustyShackleford said:
YOU not people but Cranston ahead of PSH.

Cranston performance on BB was amazing but is literally the only major thing on homeboy's resume

If Cranston died tomorrow, all people should be talking about is BB and maybe Malcolm in the Middle. Sites have been running articles tittled "PSH top 10 roles" "PSH top 15 movies" "PSH top 12 movies"
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Me? Bro again Cranston is far more widely acclaimed than Hoffman, is this not true?


Is this not what this discussion is about? General perception?


And generally do people honestly know PSH for "The Savages" or "Capote"? I don't think most people even knew about those movies.


And even people who knew about those movies I don't think most people put PSH ahead of Cranston before today. I'm not buying that.
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Bruh.

This entire post right here is just made up ****. All of this is assumptions. Who has ever put Cranston ahead of PSH? How do you know what people have seen or not seen, or what they know PSH for? I remember watching MTV's Diary of Ying Yang Twins and they were watching that movie Monster talking about how crazy it was that Charlize Theron could transform like that for her performance. Your whole vibe in this thread appears to be that of incredulity that anyone could have a valid opinion that isn't inline with yours.
 
SneakerHeathen said:
RustyShackleford said:
YOU not people but Cranston ahead of PSH.

Cranston performance on BB was amazing but is literally the only major thing on homeboy's resume

If Cranston died tomorrow, all people should be talking about is BB and maybe Malcolm in the Middle. Sites have been running articles tittled "PSH top 10 roles" "PSH top 15 movies" "PSH top 12 movies"
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Me? Bro again Cranston is far more widely acclaimed than Hoffman, is this not true?


Is this not what this discussion is about? General perception?


And generally do people honestly know PSH for "The Savages" or "Capote"? I don't think most people even knew about those movies.


And even people who knew about those movies I don't think most people put PSH ahead of Cranston before today. I'm not buying that.
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NO HE IS NOT.

That's the problem you're having, you think your opinion is fact. And not only that, all the "people" hold the same one

Now you are switching your argument basically too "Cranston is hot now, more people know him, so based on that and that alone, he is better than PSH"

Lets compare resumes brah. PSH blows Cranston out the water, and that is coming from a huge BB fan
 
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Capote was a very good film. Enjoued hij in moneyball and scent of a woman.

RIP
 
RustyShackleford said:
NO HE IS NOT.

That's the problem you're having, you think your opinion is fact. And not only that, all the "people" hold the same one

Now you are switching your argument basically too "Cranston is hot now, more people know him, so based on that and that alone, he is better than PSH"

Lets compare resumes brah. PSH blows Cranston out the water, and that is coming from a huge BB fan
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Oh no doubt, PSH's resume is superior to Cranston's.


But again I have a hard time believing that general perception was that PSH was this highly touted.


I'll concede I might be wrong about general perception. Though people I have spoken about actors nobody has ever even mentioned him.


That's my argument, not undermining his abilities, no, I'm saying people weren't singing these praises before today.
 
knowledgebones72 said:
Bruh.

This entire post right here is just made up ****. All of this is assumptions. Who has ever put Cranston ahead of PSH? How do you know what people have seen or not seen, or what they know PSH for? I remember watching MTV's Diary of Ying Yang Twins and they were watching that movie Monster talking about how crazy it was that Charlize Theron could transform like that for her performance. Your whole vibe in this thread appears to be that of incredulity that anyone could have a valid opinion that isn't inline with yours.
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So you're saying that the GENERAL movie-going public, TV watching public identifies more with PSH than Cranston?


Okay.



Yeah everyone is on their Siskel and Ebert steez. :rolleyes


Maybe I'm not giving people enough credit, but ya'll are giving them WAY too much credit if you think people know how good he was in Money Ball, The Savages or Capote over how good Cranston was in BB.


He was never this widely acclaimed.
 
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Looking back at the 2005 Best Actor race when we had four first time nominees all under 40 in PSH, Heath Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix, and Terrence Howard. And now not even a decade later, we've lost two of em :smh:
 
I kinda agree with dude.
PSH is being way overrated by you guys :lol:

Word to the Paul Walker thread
 
Take a step back and think about how absurd it is to be surprised by the amount of praise in a RIP thread.
 
i'm not gonna argue with you guys.

Always someone there to tell you to stop giving a person props.

Philip Seymour Hoffman actually did have a following of people who recognized his talent and was willing to watch stuff because they saw he was in it.

Just cause he died doesn't mean he wasn't actually a popular actor, or he wasn't an extremely good actor, one of the best character actors in fact.

I haven't all of a sudden watched a bunch of his movies now that he's died, but damn if ya'll can't let this dude be rememered as one of the best.

Jeez. Thank God I'm not famous. If I ever died there would be a thread on NT about how I really wasn't all that great of a person and how my family/friends shouldn't hype me up so much.
 
PLVN said:
Take a step back and think about how absurd it is to be surprised by the amount of praise in a RIP thread.
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amount of praise is fine, praise him for his performances by all means.


but putting him in the "greatest of our time" category is excessive is absurd.


and anytime someone, be it a musician or an actor dies people start putting them atop these pedestals that they didn't have 'em on just 24 hours prior.


isn't that even more morbid? that it takes someone's death for them to receive the appreciation you all so willingly pile on AFTER the fact.



I'm sorry, but a spades a spade. And ya'll were not high on dude like this before.
 
SneakerHeathen said:
knowledgebones72 said:
Bruh.

This entire post right here is just made up ****. All of this is assumptions. Who has ever put Cranston ahead of PSH? How do you know what people have seen or not seen, or what they know PSH for? I remember watching MTV's Diary of Ying Yang Twins and they were watching that movie Monster talking about how crazy it was that Charlize Theron could transform like that for her performance. Your whole vibe in this thread appears to be that of incredulity that anyone could have a valid opinion that isn't inline with yours.
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So you're saying that the GENERAL movie-going public, TV watching public identifies more with PSH than Cranston?


Okay.



Yeah everyone is on their Siskel and Ebert steez. :rolleyes


Maybe I'm not giving people enough credit, but ya'll are giving them WAY too much credit if you think people know how good he was in Money Ball, The Savages or Capote over how good Cranston was in BB.


He was never this widely acclaimed.
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Cranston has the mainstream breakout role that PSH never had find. But that doesn't make him a better actor

By your logic Gandolfini is better than Oldmann and Claire Danes swags all over Judi Dench.

Because when it comes to acting, mainstream scuccess is the end all :rolleyes
 
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ScarsOrScabs said:
Hold up.  You just seem intent on this "everyone only wants to praise him now that he's dead" thing by bringing up those threads not realizing that while there are a lot of people that truly appreciate PSH as a great actor most, if not all weren't putting him in a category as one of the greatest actors of all time but instead as a character actor.  

A new movie is released with an exceptional portrayal of an eccentric character, one where the actor has to pour himself into that role or he gets nominated for that role or he gets arrested...or he dies, anything that brings that actors name into the news and that discussion will be made.  Sure, there is some hyperbole there as the greatest but that's also subjective.  

For a lot of people, PSH wasn't a marquee name.  He's not DiCaprio, Cooper, McConaghey, Bale or any typical Hollywood leading man, the face of endorsements and such but if you've seen a lot of his work you can truly appreciate that he was great and I don't know how many it is okay to have on a list of the best but there's absolutely no doubt he'd be up there as a character actor.
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We're addressing the character debate, please read the whole thread before jumping on a singular post.
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Eh, like I said you seem stuck on defending your point because YOU were the one that skipped over "character actor" and talked about Leo, Denzel, etc.  This stemmed from that and you're not willing to concede that he's in that category, I'm not convinced you really know what a character actor is based on all of your other posts.
 
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knowledgebones72 said:
Phillip Seymour Hoffman was on lists before he died.

That simple.
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maybe amongst the more savvy movie-goers but def not amongst the general pop.
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So you'd rather people just keep low key about it instead of talking about his legacy as an actor after his death?

Your argument seemed to have started with saying people were gassing him because of his death... Now you're just mad that more people are talking about his resume now than had before?

What do you honestly expect to happen?  Every instance of someones death whether it be in your home town where a high school classmate dies or whether its Princess Diana or Nelson Mandela or Heath Ledger or PSH etc etc etc etc.... People will get together and talk about that person's life and legacy.

Have you not been to a post funeral get together before? Its a celebration of the life the person lead.  This is what is SUPPOSED to happen.
 
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ScarsOrScabs said:
Eh, like I said you seem stuck on defending your point because YOU were the one that skipped over "character actor" and talked about Leo, Denzel, etc.  This stemmed from that and you're not willing to concede that he's in that category, I'm not convinced you really know what a character actor is based on all of your other posts.
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you can believe what you want to believe.


I also think people tend to undermine actors like Dicaprio for their character acting ability because of their star power.


Does Dicaprio not excel at getting into roles instead of having scripts tailor-made for his abilities?


I mean Johnny Depp is never mentioned as an elite character actor but yet he's a God of character acting.


A character actor doesn't need a cult following or not be a star to be a character actor. Look someone even slighted Christopher Walken as a character actor because he's been a star for a while.


:lol: Ya'll dudes. These Mr.Fantastic reaches.
 
fraij da 5 11 said:
So you'd rather people just keep low key about it instead of talking about his legacy as an actor after his death?

Your argument seemed to have started with saying people were gassing him because of his death... Now you're just mad that more people are talking about his resume now than had before?

What do you honestly expect to happen?  Every instance of someones death whether it be in your home town where a high school classmate dies or whether its Princess Diana or Nelson Mandela or Heath Ledger or PSH etc etc etc etc.... People will get together and talk about that person's life and legacy.


Have you not been to a post funeral get together before? Its a celebration of the life the person lead.  This is what is SUPPOSED to happen.
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and I'm fine with the praise, it's these extreme "greatest of" statements that irk me.


Praise him, by all means give him the credit he's due. But don't sit there and put him atop your list because it's suddenly the trendy thing to do today.
 
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