NBC is telling guests on Tonight show that they can only deal with Fallon...or else...

Spidermachine916 said:
what did happen between them and Coco?
did they just fire him?
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They gave him the job, fired Leno, then hired Leno for some weird prime time 10pm comedy hr cuz I guess they were that scared of ratings for Conan so they got recognizable lead in, Conan's doing his thing then a few months later maybe cuz they aint happy with ratings they ask Coco if he'd be cool with showing back a half hr so that Leno's show can go longer, he said no **** that, dipped, Leno got the job back.

Basically Leno was on some **** like he was quitting but then turned around and got that lame show which sabotaged Conan, NBC let it happen and basically screwed him over and were going to go further to basically push the Tonight Show back to Conan's old show's time slot.

It was some shady backstabbing **** by Leno and NBC. NBC did it basically cuz they're failures and have been dominated by CBS, FOX, and ABC for a while now. They needed the money.
 
Spidermachine916 said:
what did happen between them and Coco?
did they just fire him?
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Leno has always been shady. When Johnny Carson hosted Tonight Show, he gave Letterman a show after his called Late Night with the plan that when he retired, Letterman would take over. This was the 80s. Leno was an up and coming comic who Carson put on, and Carson would take little vacations and have guest hosts for the week or w/e. Leno was one of em. Leno and his psycho agent came up with the masterplan to get him Tonight Show.

Leno just started hustling NBC and the affiliates who choose to show Tonight Show instead of reruns of Cosby Show or w/e and just kept doing his schlubby w/e, talking bout Letterman's a weirdo and I'll bring the ratings, blah blah. So in like 92, Carson retires thinking NBC's gonna promote Letterman. Nope. They give it to Leno.

Letterman says **** you and dips to CBS. NBC hires Conan to replace Letterman. Leno dumbs his humor down and makes sure to never offend anyone so the Midwest love him. He beats Letterman in the ratings for the next 15 years.

Fast forward to 2004, and NBC sees young people are really loving Conan and could give a **** less about Leno, so they tell Leno...it's about that time. Leno's like...aight...I'm old, I get it. Goes on Conan's show and announces he's gonna retire in 5 years. 4 years later...they already announce Jimmy Fallon's gonna take over Conan's show. Leno is still #1. Rumors start coming out that Leno ain't ready to leave no more. He's talking to FOX, he's talking ABC. If they kick him off, he's setting up shop next door.

I remember Kimmel got really pissed saying, if ABC tries to bump me to later for a Leno show, I'm leaving. Cuz no one really gave a **** about Jimmy back in '08. ABC would only give him 1-year contracts cuz they were hoping someone better would come along.

So NBC gets shook, cancels ALL of their 10pm shows, and gives Leno a new show every night at 10pm. Ratings were awesome for 5 minutes, but it did something stupid. If people can get their late night fix at 10pm...why they gonna stay up for Conan at 11:30? If celebs can have more people see em on Leno, why they gonna go on Conan first? Plus Conan tried to do a lil safer, less weird comedy and appeal to more people. Had his Late Night fans flipping to Adult Swim instead.

Conan's ratings start dropping. Everyone jumped ship. The affiliates said they were gonna dump Tonight Show if NBC doesn't do something. Leno's ratings go down too, but for a late night show that's on at 10, technically it's still killing everyone else. So of course, Leno gets in NBC's ear, does the same **** he did in '92....Next thing you know, NBC asks Conan if they could push his show a half hr and give Leno a half hr show before his. He says why would I do the Tonight Show at midnight tomorrow? So they announce they're gonna fire Conan and give Leno, Tonight Show back. Conan only lasted a year.

This was basically The Decision of late night TV.

Letterman suddenly hit the Lazarus pit and started killing Leno. Craig killed Leno. Fallon took a couple shots. Suddenly old Conan was back. He stopped giving a **** and gave people the show they wanted in the first place, and killed Leno AND NBC. Kimmel...this made Kimmel. The Kimmel you see now was born outta how hard he roasted the soul outta Leno and NBC.





Conan basically had half a year of to make everyone remember why they liked him and should hate Leno. He left, Leno came back, Leno went back to #1. Conan had to wait a year before he could get back on TV, and picked TBS, where they wouldn't care about ratings, over FOX.

So finally with Fallon really blowing up on YT, NBC put Leno out to pasture. Conan's ratings ain't all that, but they're great for TBS, so he basically has a job for life there.
 
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CoolNClutch said:
I can see Fallon's appeal though, his writers know how to cater to the Buzzfeed audience/generation. His new Tonight Show is weird though, the studio is ugly and very small
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It's in the same studio hosted Late Night until last year and Johnny Carson's Tonight Show in the 1960s.
 
If I'm CBS, the first call I'm making would be to Neil Patrick Harris. The late night game has moved in a new direction with Fallon's dominance and I think NPH would be perfect for that new era too
 
CoolNClutch said:
If I'm CBS, the first call I'm making would be to Neil Patrick Harris. The late night game has moved in a new direction with Fallon's dominance and I think NPH would be perfect for that new era too
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That would be an awesome choice
 
Btw fallon and meyers are killing everyone in the ratings department and its not even close :pimp:
 
Big J 33 said:
Older people watched Letterman, Leno, and Kimmel.

Conan struggled at first because he was trying to appeal to that same age-bracket that loved Leno while keeping his younger fanbase.. and NBC didn't give him enough time. He wouldn't have won them over, but if they gave him a chance it would have improved. Fallon has a better shot because he isn't as nerdy or self-deprecating as Conan, which would turn off an older crowd.

Then you have the younger crowd who watches Stewart/Colbert. And they'll give you great comedy but with real-world relevance and the feeling that you're being educated at the same time. And no one can compete with that.

Conan will always be a sad case because he truly loved The Tonight Show and wanted it badly... it was his dream. So he had his chance only for it to be short-lived and taken away. He's doing okay now, he's got his own show, a lot of power at TBS to do his own thing with other shows too.. but it's not The Tonight Show.
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Bingo

No matter how anyone spins it. Conan is not on The Tonight Show. Even Letterman was done wrong when he didn't get The Tonight Show succeeding Carson.

There's so many nightly talks hows out there, but the only one that actually matter is The Tonight Show. I actually wanted Conan to take over The Tonight Show. Too bad things didn't work out.

I guess i'm one of the few people who doesn't like Conan on TBS. I barely watch his show and whenever I do, I dislike the guests he has on.
 
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^Nah I think that's bull ****. I mean that may be what ppl say and it can even be supported by ratings but Kimmel, Daily Show, and Letterman have been better than the Tonight Show ever since Leno came back.
 
man this era of tonight shows is lame.

Kimmel is on top right now imo.

Conan is legit funny

Fallon is most popular but he is a maize ball. He needs a lot of people behind him it seems

Arsenio has best interviews for my demographic and he seems to be getting back in the groove of things.
 
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