Fast food workers protest for $15 minimum wage.

People don't walk into McDonalds expecting it to be a career
 
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It might not be a "career" but to some it's their only lifelong work option.

I think people are getting way off topic...These fast-food companies are raking in major dough but are keeping their employees at the same hourly wage 5 years out. Something is wrong with that. And what's wrong with that is that people find working at fast-food places to be practically indentured servant work. People need to feed their families through the money they earn at McDonalds but nobody wants to talk about how hard it is physically and psychologically to work in a fast paced environment like a McDonalds during 12-8 p.m.

People need to ditch the thinking that certain jobs are beneath them based on what you have accomplished in your life job-wise.

The people working at these fast-food places are you if you were born and lived through the same circumstances.

"Nah, nah that would never be me" *****, that would be you B.

I got no problems with people trying to make more money to feed themselves and their family.

What these fast-food place are doing is not setting their employees up for success and when people get tired of turning their head to these kinda things (similar to those sweatshop sneaker companies) then it becomes the companies problem.

Prob the only fast-food place that i've seen where the employees are upbeat and happy is probz chick-fil-a.

http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chick--fil--a/reviews
 
Don't know why people are stuck on the $15 when we know they ain't getting that. If I'm negotiating with someone, I'm not gonna start low.
 
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CashBanks said:
15$ isnt alot for any job

have any of you dudes every worked at a mcdonalds?

nobody should be expected to live off less than 8$ an hour

there are people with much easier jobs making waaaaay more
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Them get an education if you wanna get paid more.

McDonald's makes a lot of money so I deserve more money to flip your burger :lol:
 
tay1 said:
Don't know why people are stuck on the $15 when we know they ain't getting that. If I'm negotiating with someone, I'm not gonna start low.
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Could be a tactic.

From what I've learned you argue higher than you want so if they want $10 they argue $15.  The employer decides to raise it to $10 which was the goal all along and if they get the $15 or just a figure higher than $10 they still win.  It's a win-win too because the company feels like they negotiated their workers down even if they fell for the trick.
 
GrimlocK said:
It might not be a "career" but to some it's their only lifelong work option.

I think people are getting way off topic...These fast-food companies are raking in major dough but are keeping their employees at the same hourly wage 5 years out. Something is wrong with that. And what's wrong with that is that people find working at fast-food places to be practically indentured servant work. People need to feed their families through the money they earn at McDonalds but nobody wants to talk about how hard it is physically and psychologically to work in a fast paced environment like a McDonalds during 12-8 p.m.

People need to ditch the thinking that certain jobs are beneath them based on what you have accomplished in your life job-wise.

The people working at these fast-food places are you if you were born and lived through the same circumstances.

"Nah, nah that would never be me" *****, that would be you B.

I got no problems with people trying to make more money to feed themselves and their family.

What these fast-food place are doing is not setting their employees up for success and when people get tired of turning their head to these kinda things (similar to those sweatshop sneaker companies) then it becomes the companies problem.

Prob the only fast-food place that i've seen where the employees are upbeat and happy is probz chick-fil-a.

http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chick--fil--a/reviews
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How about no?

McDonald's isn't keeping anybody anywhere. They aren't hostages that are shackled to the job and deprived of seeking employment elsewhere. It's nobody's duty by your own to better your situation.

Say they do raise the wage at McDonald's to $15/hr. Are we going to eliminate EBT and/or any other benefits of a similar nature for those job holders because they are now making a living wage?


You can say people are acting like it's below them and not a hard job. Bro, standing on your feet for the work day flipping burgers is not hard.

I left the country for 4 years and when I came back with a massive gap in my resume I struggled to find a job. When I did it was at a hotel setting up and breaking down events 90% of the time on the graveyard shift with the remainder being outside in the heat of the Texas summer. I got paid $7.50/hr. and I have a college degree. From there I got a job at a warehouse, where it was mandatory you were actively lifting and or moving furniture all hours of your shift, the pay was roughly $15.65/hr. You think flipping burgers in AC is equivalent of doing that in the heat of summer with no AC or in the dead of winter with insufficient heat? No. From there I landed a job that has invested heavily in my future through training and certifications and given me two raises in the year that I have been there, the break down to an hourly wage is roughly $21/hr.

Growing up I worked at a moving company all through high school and college prior to leaving the country, so don't jump to conclusions about people not understanding hard work or struggle.

These people need to apply their time to developing their own skills and actually attempt to improve their own situations rather than protest for more money at a job they clearly don't want.
 
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boxer15 said:
GrimlocK said:
It might not be a "career" but to some it's their only lifelong work option.

I think people are getting way off topic...These fast-food companies are raking in major dough but are keeping their employees at the same hourly wage 5 years out. Something is wrong with that. And what's wrong with that is that people find working at fast-food places to be practically indentured servant work. People need to feed their families through the money they earn at McDonalds but nobody wants to talk about how hard it is physically and psychologically to work in a fast paced environment like a McDonalds during 12-8 p.m.

People need to ditch the thinking that certain jobs are beneath them based on what you have accomplished in your life job-wise.

The people working at these fast-food places are you if you were born and lived through the same circumstances.

"Nah, nah that would never be me" *****, that would be you B.

I got no problems with people trying to make more money to feed themselves and their family.

What these fast-food place are doing is not setting their employees up for success and when people get tired of turning their head to these kinda things (similar to those sweatshop sneaker companies) then it becomes the companies problem.

Prob the only fast-food place that i've seen where the employees are upbeat and happy is probz chick-fil-a.

http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chick--fil--a/reviews
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How about no?

McDonald's isn't keeping anybody anywhere. They aren't hostages that are shackled to the job and deprived of seeking employment elsewhere. It's nobody's duty by your own to better your situation.

Say they do raise the wage at McDonald's to $15/hr. Are we going to eliminate EBT and/or any other benefits of a similar nature for those job holders because they are now making a living wage?


You can say people are acting like it's below them and not a hard job. Bro, standing on your feet for the work day flipping burgers is not hard.

I left the country for 4 years and when I came back with a massive gap in my resume I struggled to find a job. When I did it was at a hotel setting up and breaking down events 90% of the time on the graveyard shift with the remainder being outside in the heat of the Texas summer. I got paid $7.50/hr. and I have a college degree. From there I got a job at a warehouse, where it was mandatory you were actively lifting and or moving furniture all hours of your shift, the pay was roughly $15.65/hr. You think flipping burgers in AC is equivalent of doing that in the heat of summer with no AC or in the dead of winter with insufficient heat? No. From there I landed a job that has invested heavily in my future through training and certifications and given me two raises in the year that I have been there, the break down to an hourly wage is roughly $21/hr.

Growing up I worked at a moving company all through high school and college prior to leaving the country, so don't jump to conclusions about people not understanding hard work or struggle.

These people need to apply their time to developing their own skills and actually attempt to improve their own situations rather than protest for more money at a job they clearly don't want.
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Homie not to downplay your situation but do you want a cookie for all that **** you had to do to get where you were?

What your saying is to leave the conditions as they are so that the fast food industry is just a stepping stone for people to move on to greener pasteurs. Gimme a break with that ****. Like I said before some people can only work at McDonalds. There not born with your gift to hustle. Still doesn't mean that all that hardship you went through should be put on another man.

You did what you had to do to get to a better place. Good for you. Wish someone could have paid you $15 when you were working at the hotel. You may have been somewhere better right now.

Just cuz you went through **** doesn't mean it should be the standard like your teaching people a lesson.

The main gripe here is that fast-food industry employees are fighting for a higher wage for the amount of work they put in. Some may be horrible at their job and some are good at it, no matter the work-ethic people still have bills to pay and families to feed and they may not have the opportunities or gifts you were blessed with.

asking for an increase in wage is improving their situation.
 
GrimlocK said:
Homie not to downplay your situation but do you want a cookie for all that **** you had to do to get where you were?

What your saying is to leave the conditions as they are so that the fast food industry is just a stepping stone for people to move on to greener pasteurs. Gimme a break with that ****. Like I said before some people can only work at McDonalds. There not born with your gift to hustle. Still doesn't mean that all that hardship you went through should be put on another man.

You did what you had to do to get to a better place. Good for you. Wish someone could have paid you $15 when you were working at the hotel. You may have been somewhere better right now.

Just cuz you went through **** doesn't mean it should be the standard like your teaching people a lesson.

The main gripe here is that fast-food industry employees are fighting for a higher wage for the amount of work they put in. Some may be horrible at their job and some are good at it, no matter the work-ethic people still have bills to pay and families to feed and they may not have the opportunities or gifts you were blessed with.

asking for an increase in wage is improving their situation.
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I'm not looking for a cookie, dude.  I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, if anything I was fortunate in the fact that I enjoy manual labor.  I don't look at anything I went through as a real struggle anyway, when your income sucks and you still find a way to live within your means, life is fine.  I was simply trying to provide some background on my thought process to address your stance of some of us looking down on these jobs.

I don't believe in handouts because handouts are what make folks complacent and stagnant in their current situation.  Everybody needs to experience struggle at some point, that's how you develop character and work ethic.  However, people need to improve their own situations, not simply demand more money without a justifiable reason for an increase.  I understand people have bills to pay, but people also need to live within their means.  If you can't afford to have kids, you shouldn't.  If you don't have the money to ball out, then don't.
 
Living within your means is a lesson sometimes and unfortunately learned after the fact.

While I agree that struggle CAN be a necessary component of life and it does develop character and work ethic I've personally seen struggle develop a " **** you " attitude and resentment.

Struggle is a 2-sided coin depending on so many things.

Here's an example. I know a woman who is now around 55 years of age. She immigrated to this country from a very poor country in the early 80's. She was mostly illiterate but she was a hard worker. In the mid 80's she had a child. When she first came to this country she worked in a plastics factory which went out of business. With little education and a family to support her only option was to work at McDonalds. She worked 6 days a week 10 hours each day for minimum wage. Because she had to work to support her family and then take care of said family when she got home it left her with little to no time to pursue something better or even learn to read proficiently. She recently retired as a manager of McDonalds where they paid her only $10-11. She worked there for 20+ years.

While this isn't the case for many McDonalds employees it should still shine some light on what some employees in the fast food industry face.
 
Everyone's situation is different though.

Some people are able to make things happen on their own despite having the cards stacked against them and no resources.

Some people became something because they had someone or something to provide them with assistance and they utilized it.

Some people want to do right, try to right but have no clue how to better their situation. They do things by the book, don't cheat anyone or screw them over but aren't able to make much happen.

Everyone's situation is different. Its easy to say, "they should go to school" or "they should work elsewhere" but for some people it really isn't that easy.

I will say this though, seeing some of the struggles some people have, it makes me more appreciative of the opportunities I've been afforded in life.
 
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Here's an example. I know a woman who is now around 55 years of age. She immigrated to this country from a very poor country in the early 80's. She was mostly illiterate but she was a hard worker. In the mid 80's she had a child. When she first came to this country she worked in a plastics factory which went out of business. With little education and a family to support her only option was to work at McDonalds. She worked 6 days a week 10 hours each day for minimum wage. Because she had to work to support her family and then take care of said family when she got home it left her with little to no time to pursue something better or even learn to read proficiently. She recently retired as a manager of McDonalds where they paid her only $10-11. She worked there for 20+ years.

While this isn't the case for many McDonalds employees it should still shine some light on what some employees in the fast food industry face.
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This example is the exception, not the rule.  And I wholeheartedly agree that the woman you know should have been paid more as a manager.  The problem is the folks protesting aren't all managers and don't possess the incredible work ethic the woman you know had and likely still has.  I'd wager that due to her work ethic alone she wouldn't have attended those protest had they occurred during her tenure.  

Folks are fighting for a starting wage that is too high for the entry level position at McDonald's, that's a simple fact.  I would support wage increases with promotions and tenure, but not to the extreme that is being demanded.  

My girl's parents fled their country due to war and she was born in a refugee camp prior to coming to the states and they had a similar path to the woman you know.  They were well educated and employed in their home country, which obviously means nothing here (they also could *not speak or read English when they came).  They ended up working factory jobs and provided a good life for their children and themselves through long days of rigorous work.  Doing so without complaining at all.  

At the end of the day this is America and even in a tough situation, life here in a struggle is light years better than life in a struggle in most places throughout the world.  So much so that people feel entitled to things that they don't work for and feel like society has failed them if it isn't handed to them on a silver platter.
 
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So what if we don't struggle as much as others. A struggle is still a struggle. Fact of the matter is $7.25 is **** pay.
 
If they pay McDonald's employees 15 an hour be prepared to see line cooks making 30 and your food costing twice as much. Half my co workers would go take that easy pay vs what we make now.

Cooking is almost a dead end job. You either gotta get sous or start your own place or else you'll never be comfortable. Food service workers as a whole are underpaid. I don't know why because not a single one of you but maybe a few other experienced cooks on nt could do what I do but it's just the way it is. It took me years to get where I'm at. That is not unskilled labor.

I'd like to see everyone making a fair wage but that will never happen. The struggle builds character though.
 
It's not even just fast food when you think about it. Look at the jobs that have been outsourced, some of which require a college degree.

To me its bigger then the fast food industry. The disparity between the haves and have nots has been growing and its way more have nots then haves.
 
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boxer15 said:
GrimlocK said:
Here's an example. I know a woman who is now around 55 years of age. She immigrated to this country from a very poor country in the early 80's. She was mostly illiterate but she was a hard worker. In the mid 80's she had a child. When she first came to this country she worked in a plastics factory which went out of business. With little education and a family to support her only option was to work at McDonalds. She worked 6 days a week 10 hours each day for minimum wage. Because she had to work to support her family and then take care of said family when she got home it left her with little to no time to pursue something better or even learn to read proficiently. She recently retired as a manager of McDonalds where they paid her only $10-11. She worked there for 20+ years.


While this isn't the case for many McDonalds employees it should still shine some light on what some employees in the fast food industry face.
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This example is the exception, not the rule.  And I wholeheartedly agree that the woman you know should have been paid more as a manager.  The problem is the folks protesting aren't all managers and don't possess the incredible work ethic the woman you know had and likely still has.  I'd wager that due to her work ethic alone she wouldn't have attended those protest had they occurred during her tenure.  

Folks are fighting for a starting wage that is too high for the entry level position at McDonald's, that's a simple fact.  I would support wage increases with promotions and tenure, but not to the extreme that is being demanded.  

My girl's parents fled their country due to war and she was born in a refugee camp prior to coming to the states and they had a similar path to the woman you know.  They were well educated and employed in their home country, which obviously means nothing here (they also could *not speak or read English when they came).  They ended up working factory jobs and provided a good life for their children and themselves through long days of rigorous work.  Doing so without complaining at all.  

At the end of the day this is America and even in a tough situation, life here in a struggle is light years better than life in a struggle in most places throughout the world.  So much so that people feel entitled to things that they don't work for and feel like society has failed them if it isn't handed to them on a silver platter.
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Stop talking out of your *** again dude.

If you never worked in a McDonalds then you don't know what group is the exception and who are the rule or standard employee that works at a McDonalds.

Who told you people feel entitled? The internet? Word of mouth?

Things are a struggle and people want to relieve some of that burden the struggle brings with it and your wailing "Hey, everyone should struggle like me and my girl and her family did"

Get off that high horse son. Your the exception, not the rule.
 
GrimlocK said:
Stop talking out of your *** again dude.

If you never worked in a McDonalds then you don't know what group is the exception and who are the rule or standard employee that works at a McDonalds.

Who told you people feel entitled? The internet? Word of mouth?

Things are a struggle and people want to relieve some of that burden the struggle brings with it and your wailing "Hey, everyone should struggle like me and my girl and her family did"

Get off that high horse son. Your the exception, not the rule.
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You're interpreting it the way you want to, nobody is wailing. I'm giving examples from my own experiences because everybody always demands some example of how you can understand. Just like you are with saying I haven't worked at McDonald's I wouldn't know.

Get out of here with all of that. I told you dude, nothing anybody does to get through a struggle is a big deal. It's called life, some people aren't cut out for it. Doesn't mean it's society's responsibility to pick up their slack.

If you have a job that doesn't even require a high school diploma and are upset at not getting bank, it's not the employers fault.

I'm done discussing this with you, it's pointless.

Hopefully your dreams of a McDonald's backed welfare state in America comes through and fixes everything. If not, communism would be a good way to balance everything out too
 
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If you are a manager at McD and only make 10-11 an hour then you need to demand more or if not than take your talents elsewhere. Having manager on a resume is a lot better than cashier and I find it hard to believe other companies would turn that down.

The company took advantage of her but she shouldn't have waited for handouts. No manager or even asst manager should be making 10-11 and if she asked for more from her boss and was denied then she needed to look for other opportunities
 
Highest I ever made when I used to work as a manager was, $24/hr+bonus+commission This was telecommunications.

Managerial duties/tasks are universal, the skill set needed to be manager in one place is very similar to the other. $11/hr for manager is absurd.

The whole food industry is wild, and severely underpaid, thank god my entrance into the work force was straight in sales/management.

Food industry, and manual labor, never.
 
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