NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[mister friendly]

did Marc Bulger ever even make the playoffs?

Yes he was 1-2

The Rams probably wouldve went to the playoffs in 2002 if Bulger started more games he was 6-1

 

[dmxfury]

The problem with the Bulger argument is essentially your saying if Warner had a worse backup QB on the team, his chance of getting in is better. Does that really make any sense when you step back and look at it? If Tim Couch followed him and failed (as opposed to Marc being on the team), now we feel better about Warner and what he did?

 

[mister friendly]

No its in relation to the Rams had a great system and great weapons like the Broncos had in terms of running backs

 

[Chester McFloppy]

The Rams had such a great system that Kurt Warner took the Cardinals to the Super Bowl.

 

[stillin729]

 

[dmxfury]

No its in relation to the Rams had a great system and great weapons like the Broncos had in terms of running backs

i understand that but don't you see how a bad QB following him would discredit that system?

 

[DeadsetAce]

The Rams had such a great system that Kurt Warner took the Cardinals to the Super Bowl.

this

 

[DeadsetAce]

what made the rams' system so great, anyway?

playing on a fast track turf field indoors?
playing with big time WRs?
big time RB?
chuck it around offense?

sounds familiar....

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and no, i'm not being srs

 

[mister friendly]

What about the 6 years before that Super Bowl appearance where Warner was garbage...... getting benched and cut?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

Top 10? Nah.

Names that come up during that time... Fitz, Welker, Jennings, Smitty, Wayne, Andre, Megatron... all in the upper tier conversation.

Welker's option route game was stupid.

Witten

The way he broke the lions safety off on 4th and 6 was just

He asked about who i thought was up there circa 2010, but yea Witten was a beast then too.

Hes the epitome of route running. Dude looks slow but always shakes a LB/S and gets open. 

 

It's akin to saying "tell me which QB's are the most accurate... I bet they'll be in your top 10 QB's list". No ****.

LOL. You can actually judge accurate QB's through stats though so that example was pretty pathetic.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're talking about Completion %, yea?
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There's no way a teams offense can help dictate that, could there.......

There you have 100% evidence of who the most accurate QB's are in the L.

 

[DeadsetAce]

there is no ******* way completion % is the sole stat for accuracy

TSJ to the max

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I mean, we value guys with longevity that never get over the hump (Super Bowl ring)... why don't we value guys that tear the league up for a short period, win multiple MVPs *and* a Super Bowl (plus make it to another Super Bowl with a completely different team)? He came into the league at what, 29 years old, and then proceeded to show us The Greatest Show on Turf.

There are some stories and some dudes that don't fit into the "herp derp top 5 categories all time must be hall of fame" -- Kurt Warner is one of them.

 

[sb]

if Warner is in (which I think is a yes) then TD should be in

dsa knows

 

[fraij da 5 11]

there is no ******* way completion % is the sole stat for accuracy

TSJ to the max

I'm waiting to see what other stats Shoes wants to use to formulate who have the most accurate arms....

 

[HNL HI]

Interesting read on Washington's new GM.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...l-best-talent-scout-self-employed-living-farm

 

[Chester McFloppy]

#NTLists

1994 Steve Young
1999 Kurt Warner
2004 Peyton Manning
2004 Mike Vick
2010 Tom Brady
2011 Shaky

The best seasons of QB play I've witnessed.

 

[proshares]

So you mean to tell me this is HOF worthy:

Regular Season:

991 attempts
4,956 yards
5.0 YPC
39 TD's
112 receptions
1,307 yards
9 TD's
5x first team all pro
1 ROY
0 playoff appearances

And this is not HOF worthy:

Regular Season:

1,655 attempts
7,607 yards
4.6 YPC
60 TD's
169 receptions
1,280 yards
5 TD's
2x first team all pro
2x OPOY
1 NFL MVP
1 2,000 yard season

Playoffs:

204 attempts
1,140 yards
5.6 YPC
12 TD's
19 receptions
131 yards
0 TD's
2 appearances/2 wins
1 SB MVP

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Watt didn't break Strahan's record so he sucks

 

[DeadsetAce]

#NTLists

1994 Steve Young
1999 Kurt Warner
2004 Peyton Manning
2004 Mike Vick
2010 Tom Brady
2011 Shaky

The best seasons of QB play I've witnessed.

thank you for having TB's 2010 season as opposed to 2007


2010 was ******* phenomenal

 

[mister friendly]

Kurt Warner was all time great status in 1999 and 2001

Then he was basically mediocre to garbage from 2002-2007.

Warner posted a 13- 29 record during those years while throwing 54 touchdown passes 52 interceptions

Then in 2008 he got hot in the playoffs and was basically slightly more accurate 2012 Joe Flacco before Joe Flacco

 

[DeadsetAce]

dsa knows

DSA using that reverse psychology so when the broncos lose you would think he's on your side the whole time.

for the record, TD is my favorite RB of all time...was being 100% serious

 

[Chester McFloppy]

thank you for having TB's 2010 season as opposed to 2007


2010 was ******* phenomenal

It was the turning point in my #12 appreciation.

Still **** that guy tho.

Uggs wearing *****.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

So you mean to tell me this is HOF worthy:

Regular Season:

991 attempts
4,956 yards
5.0 YPC
39 TD's
112 receptions
1,307 yards
9 TD's
5x first team all pro
1 ROY
0 playoff appearances

Wat?

Whos that?

I'm tripping now bc I was just peeping Big Bens 2014 season.

4,952 yards, 32 TD, 9 INT... Numbers there too similar had me tripping over that 991 attempts thinking it was Ben this year. 

 

[proshares]

Is Shaky Brees or Rodgers

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Rodgers because he likes to 2 step.