The Official Nike LeBron XII Thread- "July 4th/USA" & "King's Cloak/Red Paisley" 06/27/15

[Deleted member 48228]

need more new colorway pics....

 

[richhomieflan]

Nike could careless about quality leather at this point

They've been getting away with the pleather for years why change now

Of course unless it's to inflate prices, hence the coming of the remastered Jordan's

Honestly I do think we deserve better quality on the EXT's though

That stuff they put on the Denim XI's came out the box pre creased and bubbled up looking crazy, straight disrespectful

ext 12's MIGHT be dope if we get an 8 inspired denim colorway 

they do mark up the price for good leather but i don't typically mind with the whole remastered jordans thing because i'd prefer paying more for better quality anyways.

 

[richhomieflan]

 
Dude, all the materials Nike uses that isn't leather looks cheap.  It's all synthetics, rubber, mesh, and plastic.  These shoes are so expensive at retail, but in terms of quality are even cheaper than they used to be pre 2009.  It's disgusting.  $200 with little durability.  And of course synthetics don't feel near as comfortable, and custom fit as leather after the mandatory break in period.  Wearing these basketball shoes casually in the elements is ridiculous too.  Prepare to have wet feet.

i live in miami, so there are no elements. i wasn't worried about the durability of the megafuse, because i doubt they're not going to hold up. no idea where you're getting that 12's wont be durable. i was commenting on the look, it's much cleaner and nicer looking on nsrl's than on the pe 12's.

 

[barbarianbob]

ext 12's MIGHT be dope if we get an 8 inspired denim colorway 

they do mark up the price for good leather but i don't typically mind with the whole remastered jordans thing because i'd prefer paying more for better quality anyways.

Well they mark us up on EXT's for different materials but the Denim XI's weren't a higher quality material at all :x

I don't rock Jordan's anymore but the whole remastered thing is just another gimmick to increase the price if you ask me

If they use good leather and the quality is actually better great but this is long over do and shows you they weren't trying before :\

As far as Brons go though some good leather or suede on the upcoming EXT's would be appreciated

 

[richhomieflan]

Well they mark us up on EXT's for different materials but the Denim XI's weren't a higher quality material at all

I don't rock Jordan's anymore but the whole remastered thing is just another gimmick to increase the price if you ask me

If they use good leather and the quality is actually better great but this is long over do and shows you they weren't trying before

As far as Brons go though some good leather or suede on the upcoming EXT's would be appreciated

colorways on ext's have had no effort lately. we need classics like the wheat azg's and denim 8's.

 

[alphaaf]

What? In terms of durability synthetics >>> the "leather" that goes on shoes these days

No, stop playing mental gymnastics to convince yourself these cheap ***, plastic synthetic shoes are quality products.  They're not.  

It's all been sold to you under the fraudulent guise of "lighter" is better.  And Nike has sold you on this idea that lighter shoes make you faster.  They don't.  In fact one could argue shoes now are too light, along with great traction is a root cause for all these odd ligament injuries, and in certain cases even more egnimatic ... COMPOUND leg fractures where these light shoes don't provide enough weight, structure, and support that athletes leg bones are breaking through skin hanging off their body.

Leather is more durable, not all that significantly heavier, way more comfortable after the breaking in process, and provides better structure for a game built on quick, stop and go spurts of energetic movements.  Mostly lateral.  They protect the foot better.  Always have, always will.

Meanwhile I'm wearing the "Run the One" to play ball in and I've lost count the amount of times the flimsy material has caused me to roll my ankles.  And it has NOTHING to do with the fact they're low tops. 

Don't let these companies brain wash you.  It's cheaper for them to use plastics, and convince you lighter makes you faster.  It doesn't.  It's garbage.  And at the same time they convince you guys to buy this stuff brand new at retail for $200.

You don't think a $200 deserves to be quality?  You don't think there should be leather on these joints?  I remember my brand new, $150 Kobe Vs.  As a guy who played ball 4 to 5 times a week at Lifetime Fitness, for 2 to 3 hours a night.  The cheap plastic outer skin had giant tears in them after a little over a month of ball.  It's fine for one and done pairs per games like the pros.  But for consumers?  Nike's synthetic based products are atrocious.

 

[the connoisseur]

I guess you don't own the LeBron IX, X, and XI. They're some of the most durable shoes I've ever owned -- especially the IX and X. I've used them A LOT, and most of the wear they've incurred is superficial enough that I can get rid of it with a good wipe down when I take them off. They're left looking -- if not brand new -- then like they've only been worn a handful of times.

But because they rely on synthetic materials they must be "garbage" and "atrocious." Nothing like making wild, exaggerated generalizations when trying to make your point.

I have to laugh at 'Leather Lovers' who act like it's some sort of heaven-sent material that has no flaws. As if it doesn't stretch to the point it loses its shape and therefore it's supportiveness. As if it doesn't sometimes suffocate the foot to the point of creating excess sweat and odour. As if leather doesn't scuff and especially CREASE like no other material used in shoes. This is coming from someone who is over 30 who has owned plenty of classic leather-based Nikes.

It's 2014 and there are other ways to make shoes these days. If you don't accept that, then maybe kick it over to the Li Ning thread.

 

[redrum3281]

I don't care what material they use as long as it's not white mesh, I hate white mesh, there's no cleaning that ish

 

[alphaaf]

Who cares if a shoe creases?  

I mean honestly, I never understood OCD people about shoes creasing.  Shoes do that when worn, and especially when worn athletically.  Even synthetic shoes crease.  If you don't want a shoe to crease, leave them in the box pimp.  

Plastic, or mesh shoes can develop odour too.  Leather shoes can also be eaisly cleaned.  What dumb arguments.  

Synthetics not only look cheap, they are cheap.  That's why Nike uses them.  Inexpensive materials.  Then on the same token raise the price on consumers.  Anyone not copping these at disco at the Nike Outlet are pretty foolish with their stacks.  Leather can still be used on shoes.  

Nike is just too cheap, and too money hungry making bucks off knuckle head consumers of $200 pieces of plastic to bother going back to the material.  That's the long and short of it.

 

[the connoisseur]

Most of us have resigned ourselves to the fact shoes crease, but if it can be avoided, or minimized, why the hell not?! The LeBron IX might be the most crease-resistant shoe I've ever owned, which is one reason that model stays looking so fresh, and why I like it so much.

I'm not saying leather shouldn't be used anymore, I'm just not a fan of the whole "leather good, plastic bad" debate. It's a black-and-white argument that's taken up far too much space on NT as far as I'm concerned.

I am sympathetic that you had bad experiences with your Kobe's and Run the One. I'm a thicker dude who plays forward, so I usually stay away from lighter, low-profile guard-type kicks, in part because of durability concerns.

 

[alphaaf]

Most of us have resigned ourselves to the fact shoes crease, but if it can be avoided, or minimized, why the hell not?! The LeBron IX might be the most crease-resistant shoe I've ever owned, which is one reason that model stays looking so fresh, and why I like it so much.

I'm not saying leather shouldn't be used anymore, I'm just not a fan of the whole "leather good, plastic bad" debate. It's a black-and-white argument that's taken up far too much space on NT as far as I'm concerned.

I am sympathetic that you had bad experiences with your Kobe's and Run the One. I'm a thicker dude who plays forward, so I usually stay away from lighter, low-profile guard-type kicks, in part because of durability concerns.

Good post, bro.  I think a compromise would be finding a way to use both leather, and synthetics but they've even avoided that the past several years as well.  These shoes keep getting cheaper, and cheaper in terms of quality, but inflate in price.  That is not good business.  

Nike has such a strangle hold on the market, people will pay whatever, that's why prices continue to rise.  

All that said, it may not be a big deal to those who still wear basketball shoes in a casual setting.  But for me, someone who plays, these cheap shoes are not only dangerous with lack of stability but also huge wastes of money due to lack of durability.

Sorry for the sidetrack ... back to the XII.  The $200 shoe with Miami based colors, and poor craftsmanship on plastic lacing systems. Recalled.

 

[GrizzlyAnimal]

zzz

 

[markangelo]

 
I don't care what material they use as long as it's not white mesh, I hate white mesh, there's no cleaning that ish

truth

 

[dc30]

To all the people saying they don't mind paying raised prices for better quality...the fact remains that you CAN pay less than Nike retail on OTHER brands for the same "upgraded" if not better quality...Way of Wade anyone?

IMO the synthetics CAN be more durable but it depends on the type of game you play/body weight/position/etc... Leather has a place as well. Mostly it's personal preference in my eyes.

Creases??? If you wear kicks they're gonna crease just like your heart is gonna beat. If you're balling in them...who cares if they crease??! I'd be more worried about a 6'9" 250 in the paint throwing elbows (wonder if he thinks my kicks are fresh? )

If you wanna debate then it should be about what YOU are willing to pay, and we all have our limits and preferences.

I like the 12 and like MOST LeBrons I expect them to be US Army tank like...

 

[richhomieflan]

I guess you don't own the LeBron IX, X, and XI. They're some of the most durable shoes I've ever owned -- especially the IX and X. I've used them A LOT, and most of the wear they've incurred is superficial enough that I can get rid of it with a good wipe down when I take them off. They're left looking -- if not brand new -- then like they've only been worn a handful of times.

But because they rely on synthetic materials they must be "garbage" and "atrocious." Nothing like making wild, exaggerated generalizations when trying to make your point.

I have to laugh at 'Leather Lovers' who act like it's some sort of heaven-sent material that has no flaws. As if it doesn't stretch to the point it loses its shape and therefore it's supportiveness. As if it doesn't sometimes suffocate the foot to the point of creating excess sweat and odour. As if leather doesn't scuff and especially CREASE like no other material used in shoes. This is coming from someone who is over 30 who has owned plenty of classic leather-based Nikes.

It's 2014 and there are other ways to make shoes these days. If you don't accept that, then maybe kick it over to the Li Ning thread.

actually, the woven side panel on 9's gets really torn up.

 

[richhomieflan]

 
Who cares if a shoe creases?  

I mean honestly, I never understood OCD people about shoes creasing.  Shoes do that when worn, and especially when worn athletically.  Even synthetic shoes crease.  If you don't want a shoe to crease, leave them in the box pimp.  

Plastic, or mesh shoes can develop odour too.  Leather shoes can also be eaisly cleaned.  What dumb arguments.  

Synthetics not only look cheap, they are cheap.  That's why Nike uses them.  Inexpensive materials.  Then on the same token raise the price on consumers.  Anyone not copping these at disco at the Nike Outlet are pretty foolish with their stacks.  Leather can still be used on shoes.  

Nike is just too cheap, and too money hungry making bucks off knuckle head consumers of $200 pieces of plastic to bother going back to the material.  That's the long and short of it.

we care about creasing because nike shoes are made in china and they don't deliver the quality leather you'd find on a luxury shoe that creases naturally.

 

[the connoisseur]

actually, the woven side panel on 9's gets really torn up.

Hasn't happened to mine yet fortunately........knock on wood.

 

[someone12345]

fnl people said that they aren't expecting any lebron 12s to come out until february. They said that yesterday was the last day to turn them in back to Nike for "fixes"

Have you guys been told any different? I've heard some people say october, some people say january...

 

[richhomieflan]

 
fnl people said that they aren't expecting any lebron 12s to come out until february. They said that yesterday was the last day to turn them in back to Nike for "fixes"

Have you guys been told any different? I've heard some people say october, some people say january...

i could care less about the lebron 12 delaying, but at LEAST let us do the id.. they could make it like the elite 10's where you had to wait before ordering.

 

[teh chiz]

Nike dun messed up with these 12s

 

[dmxgod]

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These are fire IMO

 

[spiderjericho]

Has there been a performance review comparing the XII to the KD7, Kobe 9 EM/Elite and Jordan XX9?

The preliminary review by DW was great.

 

[mister friendly]

The Lebron XI, Lebron IX and the Lebron 8 V2 are cheaply made

 

[bigj505]

The Lebron XI, Lebron IX and the Lebron 8 V2 are cheaply made

Cheaply made or cheap materials?

 

[spiderjericho]

Going along that stream of thoughts...Nikes are cheaply made.

The X and XI were tanks durability wise. Knock against the XI are the toe box and insert/drop versus full air unit.

I've only read two reviews of the XII. They agree that the comfort is comparable to the X...heavier than the XI...eyelits are cheap. The aesthetics of the shoe are polarizing.