Opinions on Unauthorized or GM Sneakers ?

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Zyzz said:
I think what most of these kids/people dont seem to understand is counterfeit shoe making is a HUGE business. you dont think these guys have money? im talking real BIG money...

they have their own factories, pay workers, make hundreds of thousands of different items including any shoe you can think of. they found a way to replicate shoes to the pretty highest quality trying to mirror the authentic shoes.

i actually sit here and laugh at most of you that think that counterfeiters dont have the money nor resources to buy the high quality materials and make these shoes for the same price as nike and im willing to bet at half the price that nike does. Then go and sell it for a higher profit than nike to these dumb sellers.

but hey, believe what you want. when the proof is in front of you, a simple google search away as well. then you want your fake shoes to be real but no matter how hard you think or want them to be, they just arent and will never be.

buy direct from an authorized retailer if you want a 100% authentic shoe.


there is no such thing as a 98% shoe nor item.
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very true... Peeps don't realize this is a highly organized business.. For those of you who are not understanding I mean organized crime.. So in theory when you knowingly buy counterfeit items your actually lining the pockets of some pretty nasty dudes..Me personally I'd rather give my money to Nike than the Triads but I guess that's up to you guys end the end..
 
ohSoleful said:
I have one pair of GMs and over 50 pairs of retails . You can call em fake or whatever you want . That's your opinion like I said I just wanted other peoples opinions and you all make great points I just see it as the same shoe is all.
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because your eye is untrained kiddo..Do as you wish.
 
personally there's no such thing as GM. they are all fakes. a friend of mine (whose also a sneaker head) works for a forwarding company and one of his client is one of the supplier for the glue used for Nike; he chatted with them and they said there is just no way a contracted Nike factory would risk their contract by producing extra shoes OR have the contracted supplier supply actual material to the fake factory. all the so called unauthorized or GM are all reversed engineered or using leaked plans or just 3D scanned and then produced. the only thing is over the years these factories that make fake products has gotten very good at what they do.

I've seen first hand in China visiting toy factories for r/c helicopters and planes that one factory says their stuff is legit and the other says their stuff is legit and both are selling almost identical products. AND sometimes the one that copied the original actually had made improvement to the said toy and made them better. 

"unauthorized" on the other hand can exist, but rarely exist and by the time you know about them they are already gone. These often are the products that came off the line that didn't pass the A-grade inspection, but instead of going to B-grade or getting recycled...sometimes they sneak them out in low quantities. 
 
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Dudes in here with 2013 join dates talking about "Real Sneakerheads"
This site kills me sometimes :lol:
In b4 "Lost my old SN in the yuku move, I got banned 3 times, etc etc."
 
JordanHead718212 said:
Dudes in here with 2013 join dates talking about "Real Sneakerheads"
This site kills me sometimes
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In b4 "Lost my old SN in the yuku move, I got banned 3 times, etc etc."
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what about the "i applied, but never got a response in the old days"

anyway... can people just STOP calling these grey market??? they're fakes...it's as simple as that. 

grey market is when you have a actual authentic product that did not arrive via authorized dealer, but still authentic. i.e. importing and exporting cars. 
 
its gonna be hard to stop people from using that term :lol:

really its two kinds of fakes.

poor fakes and the shoes that all these big time sellers and kids on instragram are selling are nothing but HIGH QUALITY fakes.
 
I got beat on a pair of "Asian market" concords when I struck out at release. Only pair and I learned my lesson. I have lows now and DMP 11s so that's what consoled me.It really pisses me off how close and good fakes look. It sucks knowing you paid top dollar so you try to rationalize anyway possible that your pair is the same as legit pairs. I remember being able to spot a fake a mile away. "GM", "unauthorized" or "made from the same nike factory by dudes Chinese friend on off hours ", etc like others have said is just a sellers way of making you feel better about yourself copping a NON LEGIT pair. I may have a recent join date but I'm 32 an been in the game a long time. Always lurked but recently starting posting to to post my DISGUST at where the game has gone. Besides these fakes you slap the word "limited" on a dog turd with a jump man and these FAKE sneakerheads will be licking them! As far as this FAKE debate...Why don't you slap a Ferrari body on a honda civic?! in the end it may LOOK like the real deal when your driving by real quick but it's NOT and TRUST me, REAL enthusiasts can tell. My fiancé and I legit check all the time when were out just for fun.

Edit: I feel bad for those that got beat, those that knowingly buy a GM I just laugh at
 
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Forgot to post my opinion :lol:
I have a pair of GM Concords that I recently got since my release date pair got stolen when I was moving :stoneface:
Couldn't find a DS pair that was yellowing for under something crazy like $450, so that's what it was.
They look and fit good, i'm happy with them. I read the original thread and I was sold that (the 11s at least)
were made with the same materials and all that. Now people are saying that theory is BS, but idk what I
believe because to me, they're like the pair I had before. That thread had good points on both sides and
both sides had well known NT sources advocating for each side :lol: Also I don't get how you can fake
Carbon Fiber, but that's just me. I'm not gonna sit here and carefully analyze the shoe of every person
wearing Jordans that I encounter just because that's supposedly what "real sneakerheads" do :lol: but to
me, they're mad close. If someone wants to wear GMs, i'm not gonna clown them.
 
I purchased some GM foamposites before and I can say there is no literally no difference I can tell between the retail and GM's. The jordans however I think are fake, since there always seem to have a few consistent flaws with them.
 
If you got them because you LIKE the shoe I can respect that and let GM ride. The people that defend their GM acting like they are "the same" and "legit" for "hype" or "status" reasons is what gets to me. It's mostly young bucks now a days.
 
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@JordanHead718212  you'd be surprised how easy is to make carbon fiber the "cheap" way. they are just a roll of carbon fiber weave sheets, you cut them to what you want put them in the vacuum mold cure with resin and TADA!! there's your typical cheap "carbon fiber". most of these "carbon fiber" are just cheap carbon fiber sheets with resin wet layed over a mold and cured. the cheap method is typically known as the wet carbon fiber method. The real strong carbon fiber cost thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollar per roll and require specific type of resin as well cooking them in the oven to allow the resin to cure. 

the Jordans with CF shank plate etc up until the 2012 all used the cheaper method to create the CF shank plate. the lebron x elite, 9 elite, kobe 8 elite, the kd V elite, jordan xx8, hyperdunk elite (2011?), the kobe 9 elite; now these had the REAL light weight carbon fiber that uses the more expensive method. 

anyway, did Nike ever called them carbon fiber plates? i remember they always had refer them to as just the carbon shank plate which is made out of graphite.
 
wait... we really need to flat out stop using the term GM for "decent" fakes. Grey Market? there is no grey area, either it came from Nike or not. Real or Fake
 
FrankW said:
@JordanHead718212
 you'd be surprised how easy is to make carbon fiber the "cheap" way. they are just a roll of carbon fiber weave sheets, you cut them to what you want put them in the vacuum mold cure with resin and TADA!! there's your typical cheap "carbon fiber". most of these "carbon fiber" are just cheap carbon fiber sheets with resin wet layed over a mold and cured. the cheap method is typically known as the wet carbon fiber method. The real strong carbon fiber cost thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollar per roll and require specific type of resin as well cooking them in the oven to allow the resin to cure. 

the Jordans with CF shank plate etc up until the 2012 all used the cheaper method to create the CF shank plate. the lebron x elite, 9 elite, kobe 8 elite, the kd V elite, jordan xx8, hyperdunk elite (2011?), the kobe 9 elite; now these had the REAL light weight carbon fiber that uses the more expensive method. 

anyway, did Nike ever called them carbon fiber plates? i remember they always had refer them to as just the carbon shank plate which is made out of graphite.
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Thanks for the insight. It just seems like they learned how to make it overnight though, which is why i'm confused. Even Super Max Perfects or whatever they're called had that trash carbon fiber from mid 2000 fakes, and now they've supposedly perfected it? It's crazy to me.
 
Regsrdless of what your opinion is on these fake bootleg shoes, theyre still 100% fake regardless of how well the shoe is replicated from the original legit pairs. Its like bootlegging a DVD then claiming its the real theatrical released version
 
JordanHead718212 said:
Thanks for the insight. It just seems like they learned how to make it overnight though, which is why i'm confused. Even Super Max Perfects or whatever they're called had that trash carbon fiber from mid 2000 fakes, and now they've supposedly perfected it? It's crazy to me.
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Your thinking too hard fam..It's simple supply and demand. They didn't use real CF on the old bootlegs bc no one would pay $250 for fakes.. Now people will.. Carbon fiber is cheap now a days.. It's not 98' anymore.. We have CF all over the place now.. cell phone cases etc. It's everywhere.. So the Counterfeiters understand simple business 101... I can add a $3 increase on production per pair by adding real CF and my profit margin goes WAY up because kids now a days buy anything..
In simple theory the more we are willing to spend forA PAIR OF SHOES the better the bootlegs will get.. It's that simple.
 
If was Nike/JB I'd be scared of these companies for the fact they are getting better and better at replicating there shoes
The quality is the same just about the same maybe better depending on the shoe

They seriously need to up the quality because one day they might be identical
 
In my own personal opinion. theres no prove or indications that what im saying here is right.  GM products is produced in these two situations.

1) Third party supplier who got hold the Nike BOM (Bill of Materials) and manufacture under their own plant. Hence everything is off except the shape and the appearance with the same Nike material.

 Hence I will call this Fake. Not unauthorized even they have the same material.

2) The shoes are produced loosely under Nike authority nose, means a small amount is produced without SOP by the actual factory without the knowledge of Nike. Hence, flaws are presence and certain people is definitely making a lot of money in this situation. I would call this unauthorized.

For discussion purposes only. Well anything can happen in China with so many fakes.
 
Romcadoo said:
If was Nike/JB I'd be scared of these companies for the fact they are getting better and better at replicating there shoes
The quality is the same just about the same maybe better depending on the shoe

They seriously need to up the quality because one day they might be identical
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Nike/JB isn't going to do a damn thing because their shoes are still selling out. Their bottom line is untouched and they're still selling all the shoes the produce. GMs only affect the secondary resale market.
 
This guy is tripping you dont know **** about sneakers except who wore them who played them and what online tells you to look for all the **** is the same "authorized"bc nike contracted factories in various locations to make x amount of pairs. Not authoirized bc more pairs were made using same materials doubling the price to stimulate different sweatshop economies nike and jordan brand knows this but its too much money involved.. Your type screaming fakes because nike didnt authorized it are the same type thats gonna lead to your own demise.. In which you worship a shoe collection get up and waste your life away waiting in line or recieving a raffle for some shoes that come out a store... Dont let me get onto flight club and footlocker padding stock woth unauthorized sneakers you cats are blind to the fake they all are coming frim the same place... Your creating this retail vs fake "war" in your own mind.
 
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