PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

[useref15]

[/SPOILER]Random but this Jewish chick posted a photo of cristiano training and all her Jewish friends called him a terrorist because he spoke out for the Palestinian people. Why are y'all so god damn ignorant? Dude speaks out for the innocent lives lost and y'all act like he's the devil


They called him a Hamas supporter and all kind of ignorant ****...Israelis really think their **** don't stink

When you say y'all, you mean those few idiot girls right?

 

[me love nutella]

Oh so you just blame Israel for Hamas' actions.  I guess that means you think firing rockets into a country is an appropriate response?

Oh wise one...stop twisting my words.

No deliberate killing of aggression is justifiable in any war, especially when civilians are in harm's way.

However, you cannot expect a population in any region of the world to be pillaged, tortured, killed, mistreated and occupied, and not an armed militant group to form and take arms.

Israel are the occupiers. Remember that. So any means of violent or nonviolent resistance is a response to the injustices of the occupation and to fight for freedom against the oppressors and occupiers. Hamas' forms of resistance is not justified when it is aimed at civilians and so neither should be Israel's. Not how you are claiming where Israel is defending itself by ruthlessly killing high number of civilians. That's not defense. That's murder.

 

[nwts]

 
It is Hamas' fault for shooting from civilian areas.  If they were shooting in areas that civilians weren't, civilians wouldn't be dying.

But let me guess, you'll deny that Hamas shoots from civilian areas even though there is video evidence of it happening on liveleak. 

the reason i refuse to enter threads like these. you sound like a brainwashed BBC puppet. sheeeeesh.

RIP to the lives lost today and every other day during this massacre.

may Palestine one day be free and allow it's citizens to return home.

 

[rhythm808]

Oh wise one...stop twisting my words.

No deliberate killing of aggression is justifiable in any war, especially when civilians are in harm's way.

However, you cannot expect a population in any region of the world to be pillaged, tortured, killed, mistreated and occupied, and not an armed militant group to form and take arms.

Israel are the occupiers. Remember that. So any means of violent or nonviolent resistance is a response to the injustices of the occupation and to fight for freedom against the oppressors and occupiers. Hamas' forms of resistance is not justified when it is aimed at civilians and so neither should be Israel's. Not how you are claiming where Israel is defending itself by ruthlessly killing high number of civilians. That's not defense. That's murder.

Yet Hamas fires rockets at civilians.  So when they do something that is unjustified, which you agree to, what do you expect them to do?  

 

[mr marcus]

[/SPOILER]Random but this Jewish chick posted a photo of cristiano training and all her Jewish friends called him a terrorist because he spoke out for the Palestinian people. Why are y'all so god damn ignorant? Dude speaks out for the innocent lives lost and y'all act like he's the devil


They called him a Hamas supporter and all kind of ignorant ****...Israelis really think their **** don't stink

When you say y'all, you mean those few idiot girls right?

It was males too but it's rare to find many Jews on social networks speaking with an unbiased opinion

Israel just gotta chill with bombing the innocent

 

[gry60]

me love nutella
@Animal Thug

Why do you even bother? It seems that the only people who can see straight when it comes to this conflict are the ones who are used to being on the receiving end of imperialism. The saddest thing in all of this thread is that the pro-Israeli commentators fail to acknowledge the parallel between the right to be represented that the American rebels - that's what they were to the British - fought for and the right of the Palestinians to be independent and to exist.

They toss around the term "terrorist" with forceful ignorance, not realizing that there are so many groups that have - or have not - been labeled as such as a matter of political convenience.
I'm sure you all observed a minute of silence when Mandela died; did you know that he was arrested as he was completing his training in guerrilla warfare to fight the established government of South Africa? He was not allowed to travel to the US until 2008 because his - legitimate - party, the ANC, had been on the list of terror organizations for many decades.

How about Saddam, who was famously seen shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld in the 80s (when the US was still selling him weapons). He was not a terrorist when the petrodollars were flowing in the US coffers, but I guess Halliburton was tired of him playing the middleman between them and "their" oilfields, so they convinced themselves - and the "Free World" - that the man had WMDs, labeled him terrorist, and overthrew him.

I'm old enough to have seen the atrocities of Hamas on TV, when they used to place bombs in garbage cans in public places and in train stations. What Israel has been able to hide - until now - was their indiscriminate targeting of Palestinians, from civilians, to militants, to journalists. There are videos of Palestinian journalists being blown to pieces by Israeli tanks. In this conflict, the use of terrorism as an argument (especially when the "terrorist" party is designated by the US) doesn't hold water because Israel and Hamas are two sides of the same coin.

I can only laugh when I hear the preconditions Netanyahu wants before he sits at the negotiation table: he wants Gaza demilitarized but he won't give anything in return. That's foolish. To save Israel and to insure long-lasting peace, the Israeli government WILL have to compromise.

Someone asked about Hamas strategy, and my guess would be that they know that the writing is on the wall: they give up their weapons, Palestinians get assimilated into Greater Israel and get treated as second-class citizens, or they fight a losing battle until the rest of the world progressively isolates Israel as the latter gets more intransigent in its attacks.

The second possibility seems to be working so far as in January, this article mentioned that some European pension funds are reviewing their holdings in Israeli banks to make sure that they do not fund illegal settlements. Also, in a vote by the UNHRC to establish an investigation into the possibility of war crimes committed by Israel in Gaza, the USA was the only NO vote while all European nations abstained (the result was 29-1 YES), and the UN recently demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a declaration that doesn't please Tel-Aviv either.

 

[me love nutella]

Yet Hamas fires rockets at civilians.  So when they do something that is unjustified, which you agree to, what do you expect them to do?  

Do everything necessary to prevent civilian deaths like they have been committing in these numbers.

Give back Palestinian lands, treat them as equals and give Palestinians their freedom and independence which they rightly deserve.

End the occupation first and foremost - that is the main root cause of this conflict.

 

[rhythm808]

Do everything necessary to prevent civilian deaths like they have been committing in these numbers.

Give back Palestinian lands, treat them as equals and give Palestinians their freedom and independence which they rightly deserve.

End the occupation first and foremost - that is the min root cause of this conflict.

When you say give back the Palestinian lands you mean Gaza and the West Bank or what? 

 

[me love nutella]

me love nutella
@Animal Thug

Why do you even bother? It seems that the only people who can see straight when it comes to this conflict are the ones who are used to being on the receiving end of imperialism. The saddest thing in all of this thread is that the pro-Israeli commentators fail to acknowledge the parallel between the right to be represented that the American rebels - that's what they were to the British - fought for and the right of the Palestinians to be independent and to exist.

They toss around the term "terrorist" with forceful ignorance, not realizing that there are so many groups that have - or have not - been labeled as such as a matter of political convenience.
I'm sure you all observed a minute of silence when Mandela died; did you know that he was arrested as he was completing his training in guerrilla warfare to fight the established government of South Africa? He was not allowed to travel to the US until 2008 because his - legitimate - party, the ANC, had been on the list of terror organizations for many decades.

How about Saddam, who was famously seen shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld in the 80s (when the US was still selling him weapons). He was not a terrorist when the petrodollars were flowing in the US coffers, but I guess Halliburton was tired of him playing the middleman between them and "their" oilfields, so they convinced themselves - and the "Free World" - that the man had WMDs, labeled him terrorist, and overthrew him.

I'm old enough to have seen the atrocities of Hamas on TV, when they used to place bombs in garbage cans in public places and in train stations. What Israel has been able to hide - until now - was their indiscriminate targeting of Palestinians, from civilians, to militants, to journalists. There are videos of Palestinian journalists being blown to pieces by Israeli tanks. In this conflict, the use of terrorism as an argument (especially when the "terrorist" party is designated by the US) doesn't hold water because Israel and Hamas are two sides of the same coin.

I can only laugh when I hear the preconditions Netanyahu wants before he sits at the negotiation table: he wants Gaza demilitarized but he won't give anything in return. That's foolish. To save Israel and to insure long-lasting peace, the Israeli government WILL have to compromise.

Someone asked about Hamas strategy, and my guess would be that they know that the writing is on the wall: they give up their weapons, Palestinians get assimilated into Greater Israel and get treated as second-class citizens, or they fight a losing battle until the rest of the world progressively isolates Israel as the latter gets more intransigent in its attacks.

The second possibility seems to be working so far as in January, this article mentioned that some European pension funds are reviewing their holdings in Israeli banks to make sure that they do not fund illegal settlements. Also, in a vote by the UNHRC to establish an investigation into the possibility of war crimes committed by Israel in Gaza, the USA was the only NO vote while all European nations abstained (the result was 29-1 YES), and the UN recently demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a declaration that doesn't please Tel-Aviv either.

You said it all so clearly and beautifully. Thanks. Repped.

I just do not understand the reasoning of anyone seeing what is happening and justifying civilian deaths by Israeli aggression. People get jailed for lying, excusing or denying the Holocaust ( even claiming there were no gas chambers, no such thing as murdering of Jews, etc.), yet you have Jewish people or pro IDF or Israeli government supporters doing the same when it comes to Palestinians about Israel's ethnic cleansing and killings of Palestinians. They gobble up the Israeli government's propaganda, lies and pretexts and the justifications they use are just so unreasonable.

So so upsetting that Palestinians have been suffering this for 70 years and they continue to be salvaged and sacrificed while the world watches it keep happening.

 

[me love nutella]

When you say give back the Palestinian lands you mean Gaza and the West Bank or what? 

Yes, completely let go of Gaza because Israel still controls it, give the West Bank, East Jerusalem too, and solve the right of return issue of the Palestinian refugees.

Just end the occupation. I don't care, one state or two state solution. Give them their freedom and treat them as equals.

 

[me love nutella]

This got heated. Lol
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/clip/10402514/fox-face-off-john-carey-on-isreal

 

[duba169]

why in the world should israel give up the land they got from the 6 day war? because the neighboring arab countries tried to destroy israel and got their *** kicked in embarrassing fashion?

and what is your solution once they "give them their land" have no borders and massive amount of suicide bombings and killings occur?

 

[useref15]

why in the world should israel give up the land they got from the 6 day war? because the neighboring arab countries tried to destroy israel and got their *** kicked in embarrassing fashion?

and what is your solution once they "give them their land" have no borders and massive amount of suicide bombings and killings occur?

Aren't you convinced from everyone in here that once Israel gives them back a bit of land, all will be well and dandy? Palestinians will be happy.


The more you give, the more they want.

 

[jab step]

Yes, completely let go of Gaza because Israel still controls it, give the West Bank, East Jerusalem too, and solve the right of return issue of the Palestinian refugees.

Just end the occupation. I don't care, one state or two state solution. Give them their freedom and treat them as equals.

That sounds great in theory, but how would it be possible?

The way I see this issue is like this. There are two schools of thought. Maximalist positions from both sides

The Palestinian position is for Jews to withdraw from the West Bank (Gaza as well, not just military wise which it has already, but everything else) but also for Palestinian refugees/people to return to where they originally were. This wouldn't make sense for Israel/They would never agree, because this whole battle was for them to finally have/remain a Jewish state. 

The Israeli position is for settlements to be in place such as Gaza (not sure what they're reasoning for this is, can any individual explain what their side of this) and for the Palestinian state to be totally wiped out of any weaponary/army because they do not feel safe. There is no way Palestine agrees to this.

That's the summary of the issue. Where's the middle ground going to come from? 

Also do people believe these two groups can live in peace? I unfortunately don't see it. 

 

[me love nutella]

why in the world should israel give up the land they got from the 6 day war? because the neighboring arab countries tried to destroy israel and got their *** kicked in embarrassing fashion?

and what is your solution once they "give them their land" have no borders and massive amount of suicide bombings and killings occur?

The 6 day war was a preemptive strike by Israel. They started the war and besides the so-called oh we attacked first because Arabs wanted to but we beat them to it, it was to grab all that territory. The Zionist vision of Israel was not just from the partition plan, they wanted all of it.

They have to give the land back under international laws which were mandated at the time for these exact reasons. That's why they were put in place. If you claim that everyone can go and fight wars and then grab land through wars, then this world would be an even more messed up place with a bunch of occupations everywhere. If the U.S. went and to fight a war and won and grabbed more land from Mexico, that's justifiable?

So it was completely acceptable for Saddam Hussein to annex and occupy Kuwait then?

How do you know Israel would suffer suicide bombings and attacks once Palestinians get their sovereignty and lands back?

 

[me love nutella]

Aren't you convinced from everyone in here that once Israel gives them back a bit of land, all will be well and dandy? Palestinians will be happy.


The more you give, the more they want.

That's what Israel did. They were not happy with just the 1948 borders, so the 1967 war was also for land grabbing of those those territories.

Well you cannot keep occupying a population and treating them like animals. You've got to give people their rights and independence.

From what I know, PLO accepted the two state solutiondecades ago and so have Hamas. But the contentious issues are also the right of return of refugees and Jerusalem.

I actually do not think Israel can withhold its pure Jewishness as it wishes. The demographics show Palestinians are increasing due to births and Israel's Jewish population is declining and is emigrating and not reproducing as much. That's why they had to let go of the settlements in Gaza, there was no point to have settlers there. That's what is aggravating Israel. Ticking time bomb with the demographic issue. Israel's Jewish state is being threatened by demographics. That's why they also have these war policies of killing Palestinians.

 

[me love nutella]

[quote name="Jab Step" url="/t/600484/palestinian-genocide-awareness-thread/960#post_21241972"

That's the summary of the issue. Where's the middle ground going to come from? 

Also do people believe these two groups can live in peace? I unfortunately don't see it. [/quote]

The two groups did live mostly in peaceful coexistence when it was a Palestinian Arab majority until the mass immigration of Jews from Europe and the whole national idea of creating a Jewish homeland there started to spring up, then both groups started to get into it.

Middle ground? Israel has to accept Palestinian independence, and Palestinians have to accept Israel.

 

[me love nutella]

Sorry for my repetitive posts guys.

 

[gry60]

why in the world should israel give up the land they got from the 6 day war? because the neighboring arab countries tried to destroy israel and got their *** kicked in embarrassing fashion?

and what is your solution once they "give them their land" have no borders and massive amount of suicide bombings and killings occur?

First of all, the settlements have been deemed illegal according to the article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention. The occupying force is not supposed to transfer its population onto land that doesn't officially belong to them (to my understanding, the Occupied territories have never been annexed, unlike Crimea for example, as there was never any sort of agreement that would officially transfer ownership of the territories from the Palestinian Authority to Israel), nor to transfer the people who originally inhabited the occupied territory outside of its boundaries. That's what the settlements are meant to do, as they are exclusively Jewish (hence displacement of the indigenous populations), built on occupied land, and subsidized by Tel-Aviv.

Giving back some control to the government of the Gaza strip doesn't imply "open borders." As a matter of fact, the governments of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank could come to an agreement that would limit Palestinian access to Israel while securing a path for Palestinians to travel from the Bank to the Strip, kinda like West/East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Aren't you convinced from everyone in here that once Israel gives them back a bit of land, all will be well and dandy? Palestinians will be happy.


The more you give, the more they want.

They won't necessarily be happy, but the Hamas government will no longer have a legitimate reason to lob rockets towards Israel.

 

[oneilmatt]

Hamas doesn't have, need, or want a "legitimate" reason to fire on Israel. They will continue their attack on the infidel no matter what. That's the ultimate goal.

 

[me love nutella]

Hamas doesn't have, need, or want a "legitimate" reason to fire on Israel. They will continue their attack on the infidel no matter what. That's the ultimate goal.

You know Israel has been carrying operations like this since its foundation. So Hamas or not, they always have.

You think Hamas hate Israel because they are Jews? Infact, in their charter, They have a whole section on respecting others' faith, especially people of the book, which are the Christians and Jews as well as living peacefully with them. They dont like Jews not because of their religion, but because they are the occupiers. If the occupiers were Buddhist, they'd be harboring their animosity towards them.

 

[duba169]

Saying Israel is the cause of the 6 day war is like saying someone who is about to get jumped by several people who don't want them to exist and throws the first punch started the fight.

How do I know there would be bombings even if all the land was given back? Because I'm not naive. The bombings regularly occurred before the barricade was up. They gave up Gaza and it turned into a rocket launching pad. How would the government of Israel be able to convince its people to give back all the land and have no borders?

They have given land to egypt as well so lets not pretend like they refuse to give up land.

You can't encourage Hamas by lifting the siege at the moment. But let's say there's a differnt government 5 years later and the siege is lifted. What happens then could determine if Israel should give anything else up. But if it turns into attacks on Israeli citizens.... Then what?

There is a lot of money to be made fighting Israel. And a lot of leaders in other countries who would be disappointed if their favorite distraction wasn't there anymore.

 

[me love nutella]

Saying Israel is the cause of the 6 day war is like saying someone who is about to get jumped by several people who don't want them to exist and throws the first punch started the fight.

How do I know there would be bombings even if all the land was given back? Because I'm not naive. The bombings regularly occurred before the barricade was up. They gave up Gaza and it turned into a rocket launching pad. How would the government of Israel be able to convince its people to give back all the land and have no borders?

They have given land to egypt as well so lets not pretend like they refuse to give up land.

You can't encourage Hamas by lifting the siege at the moment. But let's say there's a differnt government 5 years later and the siege is lifted. What happens then could determine if Israel should give anything else up. But if it turns into attacks on Israeli citizens.... Then what?

There is a lot of money to be made fighting Israel. And a lot of leaders in other countries who would be disappointed if their favorite distraction wasn't there anymore.

Hamas doesn't have, need, or want a "legitimate" reason to fire on Israel. They will continue their attack on the infidel no matter what. That's the ultimate goal.

You know Israel has bee carrying operations like this since its foundation.

7) Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel

Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5624401

Also when rockets are launched, Israel never stops its aggressions either, a daily constant action towards the population of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank.

I also know Israel attacked preemptively to take land. Israel strategically did not need the Sinai anymore and more of a benefit to them for Egypt to side with them.

 

[me love nutella]

I want an Israeli pro debater to go through this article and try to debunk every single point.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5624401

 

[duba169]

They left in 2005....

And do you think civilians care of Hamas is firing or an off shoot organization?