QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[Clyde Frog]

I've always said I have seen enough from Russ to be confident that if the game plan/offense required him to do more that he is capable of doing more. Throwing the ball all over the field just wouldn't be smart for Seattle if they want to win games with their current roster. It wasn't until just now that I realized there are some parallels that could be made with Russ and Brady during the dynasty years. Brady wasn't putting up gaudy numbers either, but we all knew he had it. Since then we've seen what Brady's done through the years while going through a variety of offensive schemes as the roster changed. I refuse to use what Russell has around him to discredit him, ive seen with my eyes when he has the ball in his hands that he's got it. In a few years Seattles team and Russell could be in a very different situation, we will find out eventually. Everyone knows Lucks situation and how good he is. He's living up to the prodigy hype. If I had to pick between the two, I dont have a clue. Thankfully I dont so im just going to enjoy the show.

 

[proshares]

I tried to find a "adding fuel to the fire" gif but instead found this which was pretty awesome

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Andrew Luck's breakout season.

Spoiler

Teams with established coach-quarterback combinations have dominated unestablished counterparts in the past three Thursday night matchups, winning by 35 points on average. If time together factors into these early-season games played on short weeks, the Indianapolis Colts should love their chances against the Houston Texans in Week 6.

While Colts coach Chuck Pagano and quarterback Andrew Luck are in their third season together, the Texans' Bill O'Brien and Ryan Fitzpatrick are just getting started. There is also the not-so-small detail of Luck's talent advantages over Fitzpatrick and most opposing QBs. That talent is translating to the stat sheet in new ways this season, giving 2014 the appearance of a statistical breakout season for Luck -- one that could narrow his perceived gap between potential and production.

Through five games, Luck is on pace for 5,174 yards passing with 45 touchdown passes -- totals that would obliterate his previous career highs. A look inside the numbers shows a shift in playing style that could enhance Luck's standing in the eyes of evaluators, coaches and players. We might be witnessing the breakout season from Luck that most around in the league have been expecting from him.


Going into the season, Luck ranked right behind Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees in the top tier of quarterbacks as voted by a panel of 26 coaches and personnel evaluators for our QB Tiers project. The ranking outpaced Luck's production. The 14 panelists who placed him in the highest of five possible tiers typically pointed to the prominent role Luck played in helping the Colts post an 11-5 record twice without much help from his defense or running backs.

Luck tossed 23 touchdown passes in each of his first two seasons. His interception total dropped from 18 as a rookie to nine last season. Luck continued to provide significant value as a runner. That rushing value -- 34.6 expected points added over his first two seasons, which trailed only the total for Cam Newton -- explained why Luck ranked eighth among 33 qualifying quarterbacks in Total QBR (63. over that span, even while his 81.5 passer rating lagged at 22nd.

Through five games this season, Luck is sixth in QBR (76.5) and seventh in passer rating (100.0). His passing production has spiked while his rushing contributions have fallen sharply.

Where Luck has been better
Quarterbacks with the ability to succeed as pocket passers over a high volume of plays tend to have staying power. They're the ones able to process information quickly enough to make the right decisions. They're the ones coaches, players and evaluators respect the most.

Seattle Seahawks free safety Earl Thomas nailed it Monday night when he said Luck is doing a good job staying patient in the pocket, feeling what is happening around him and remaining level-headed. Luck is completing a career-high 68.7 percent of his passes from inside the pocket. His sack rate on these plays has dropped to 2.5 percent from 5.5 percent over his first two seasons. His QBR score from inside the pocket has surged to 81.6, which ranks fifth in the league and far outpaces his 53.0 from 2013.

A couple of plays against Baltimore in Week 5 provide examples. On the Colts' first drive, Luck took the shotgun snap and stepped up in the pocket to avoid outside linebacker Courtney Upshaw. He held the ball long enough for Reggie Wayne to get 18 yards deep on his route. Luck delivered the ball as the Ravens' Terrell Suggs was coming off his block a few feet away. The play produced a 21-yard gain. Later, on a third-and-6 play in the second quarter, Luck stepped from the left hash to the middle of the field before completing a 7-yard pass to Wayne along the yard-line numbers to the right. Luck had one defender at his feet and another reaching within inches of him as he threw.

Luck is benefiting from a healthier supporting cast featuring Wayne, tight end Dwayne Allen and running back Ahmad Bradshaw. Those three combined to play in just 11 games last season. Allen and Bradshaw have four TD receptions apiece, matching or exceeding their career totals previously.

Overall, Luck has 60 additional pass attempts and 50 additional completions than he had through the same number of games last season.

One thing to keep in mind
Luck's 14 touchdown passes match his combined five-game totals for the past two seasons. However, his production has faded following quick starts in the past. His 76.5 QBR score through five games is actually down from 77.1 at this point last season. The key last season was that Luck had 20 carries for 135 yards through five games. Those rushes translated to 11.3 expected points added. Luck has 19 carries for 65 yards (1.1 EPA) this season.

The chart compares Luck's 2014 and 2013 production through five games, with an additional column showing stats for the team's final 11 games last season. It's been a very good start for Luck. Continuing at this pace would leave less debate over whether he belongs in that top tier -- and perhaps he could even move up in the order.

Season 2014 2013 2013
Team Game # 1-5 1-5 6-16
Comp.-Att. 147-216 97-156 246-414
Comp. Pct. 68.1 62.2 59.4
Pass Yards 1,617 1,144 2,678
TD-INT 14-6 7-2 16-7
Passer rating 100.0 94.1 84.4
Sack rate 2.6% 6.6% 4.3%
Rushes-Yards-TD 19-65-2 20-135-2 43-242-2
Pass EPA/game +5.6 +4.0 +2.1
Rush EPA/game +0.2 +2.2 +0.7
Sack EPA/game -0.5 -1.6 -1.0
Total QBR 76.5 77.1 52.8
Notes
MVP conversation: Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, DeMarco Murray, Aaron Rodgers and J.J. Watt formed my short list of MVP candidates heading into Week 6. Where was Russell Wilson? The hosts at 710ESPN Seattle posed that question to me during a conversation they've posted on their website.

Obviously, I had him outside my top six, but Wilson needs to be in the conversation and could very well make the list when I update the rankings later in the season. Top candidates fall into a couple of categories. Some produce at such a high level statistically that their contributions must be acknowledged. Murray is in that category right now. For most, their teams depend upon them carrying a disproportionate amount of the load week after week. Wilson delivers when his team needs him to deliver. It's not his fault the Seahawks are good enough to win with defense and their running game quite a bit of the time.

Shocking Browns: Denver, San Diego, New Orleans and Philadelphia finished the 2013 season as the leading teams in offensive EPA. The bottom four teams were Jacksonville, the New York Giants, Houston and the New York Jets. Cleveland was 27th. Fast-forward to this season. The Browns, supposedly bereft of weapons while Josh Gordon serves a suspension, lead the league in that category through Week 5. They rank just ahead of New Orleans, Indianapolis, San Diego, Atlanta, Denver and Seattle.

That is impressive, but the Browns' offense has been on the field while leading an average of 14.3 plays per game, the third-lowest figure in the league (Oakland 8.0, Tampa Bay 8.7). I'd be tempted to say Cleveland is due for a course correction, but Jacksonville and Oakland are on the schedule this month. The Browns could easily be .500 or better at the midpoint.

Arians' focus: Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians was about as passionate as I've seen him when he called out Denver Broncos tight end Julius Thomas for the chop-block that injured defensive end Calais Campbell. The rant was obviously genuine. It also might have served a second purpose for the Cardinals.

By speaking out so strongly, Arians changed the subject as well. There's been less focus on Arizona's 41-20 defeat or the team's daunting injury situation. The Cardinals were already playing without their starting quarterback and without a long list of key players on defense. Losing by 19 points, losing their No. 2 quarterback and losing their best defensive player (Campbell) was a downer, but with Arians going on the offensive, who had time to wallow? Upcoming games against Washington and Oakland give the Cardinals a good shot at getting back on track, even with a depleted roster.

Green still key: The Cincinnati Bengals have run the ball 58.9 percent of the time on early downs when tied or leading this season, the fourth-highest rate in the league. They were at 49.0 percent (24th) last season. The change reflects an effort to become more efficient on offense, and it could help the Bengals if receiver A.J. Green's toe injury keeps him from playing.

But even with the shift toward running the ball, the Bengals still see Green's big-play ability as the catalyst for their offense. Green finished last season with 32 receptions longer than 15 yards, the fifth-highest total in the league. He leads the team with eight this season. No other wide receiver on the team has more than two. Can the Bengals make enough big plays to win if Green is diminished or unavailable?

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Alex Smith > Aaron Rodgers

Forgot you a 9ers fan.

 

[CP1708]

I completely forgot that Allen was out for 15 games last year, I only had remembered that Wayne missed the final 9.

I honestly didn't even know Bradshaw was out.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

God Damnit Donald played pretty well in place of Bradshaw last year.

 

[CP1708]

Philip Rivers is excited, which means he is talking the way he plays. The words come fast, emphasized with hand gestures and sound effects. During a seven-minute window after a recent Chargers practice, Rivers gives a 1,000-word dissertation on the quick-strike offenses that have taken over the NFL -- and turned the San Diego QB into an MVP candidate. "There's more empty backfield, more shotgun, more deet, deet, deet," Rivers says. "Maybe the game is changing."

Oh it's changing, one completion at a time. The Chargers' scheme shift under Mike McCoy -- initiated in 2013 and continued through the first five games this season -- has revitalized Rivers' career just two years after he finished with the sixth-worst Total QBR in the league.

The turnaround can be described in one word: efficiency. Yes, quarterbacks everywhere are still putting up gaudy touchdown and yardage numbers, but how they're doing it has changed. The proof is in the numbers.

Throwing bolts
Quarterbacks this season are connecting on 63.7 percent of their passes, up from 60.9 percent in 2011 and the highest rate through five weeks since 2001. In fact, Weeks 3 and 4 this season provided the highest and second-highest collective completion percentages by quarterbacks in NFL history.


Philip Rivers' 64.6 career completion rate is seventh all time (minimum 1,000 attempts).
It should come as no surprise, then, that the 129 interceptions thrown thus far in 2014 are 16 percent less than the average interceptions from the past four seasons over the same span. After throwing 15 picks in 2012, Rivers has just 13 since the beginning of last season, the fourth fewest among quarterbacks with at least 20 starts over that span.

His picks are down because his accuracy is up. Way up. Rivers' completion percentage has ranked first each of the past two seasons under McCoy (see chart below), and his career completion rate is a cool 64.6, seventh in NFL history among passers with at least 1,000 attempts.

"His level of accuracy is beyond great," offensive coordinator Frank Reich says. "It's in that upper 1 percent with guys like Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. It's a gift." And it has helped the Chargers rank fifth in the NFL since 2013 with 273.1 passing yards per game.

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Short and sweet
Fourteen quarterbacks -- everyone from Russell Wilson to Ryan Fitzpatrick -- have completion rates at or above 65 percent this season, up from an average of eight in the first five weeks of the previous 13 seasons. The reason? For the second consecutive year, quarterbacks are throwing over half of their passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (see chart below).

And signal-callers are more deadly than ever with passes of the short variety. In Weeks 1-5 the past two seasons, they have a 3.03 TD/INT ratio on short throws. That's 58 percent better than the TD/INT ratio on similar throws during the first five weeks from 2006-12.

Rivers' 57.6 percent short-pass rate in 2014 is the highest among quarterbacks with at least 150 total throws. In the Chargers' case, this approach has helped minimize the effect of a struggling run game, which is averaging an NFL-worst 2.8 yards per carry. "We try to come out, be efficient and get our completions," Reich says. "And if you're struggling a little bit in the run game, some of those short passes are your runs. We call it, 'stealing runs.'"

Despite their reliance on dink-and-dunk passes, the Chargers are currently tied for third with 21 pass plays of 20 or more yards. "We're still getting our chunks, but we're not chucking it deep all the time," Rivers says. "Which is what you want, really."

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Catch and run
But how, exactly, do short passes translate into long gains? For starters, as the chart below shows, receivers leaguewide are dropping only 3.9 percent of their passes, the best rate in the nine years the stat has been tracked. And they're catching with more space around them. The past two seasons, receivers have averaged 5.17 yards after the catch, a 24 percent increase from a 4.18 average the previous 10 years.

Rivers' 8.75 yards per attempt leads the league through five weeks, thanks in part to his Chargers pass-catchers, who are fourth in the NFL with a 6.24 YAC rate. Receiver Eddie Royal -- who's part of a unit that has dropped only 2.5 percent of its targets (sixth best in the NFL) -- returns the credit to Rivers and his accuracy.

Take, for example, Rivers' simple 4-yard pass to Royal in Week 3 against the Bills. The precision throw, which hit Royal perfectly in stride, gave him plenty of room to run away from Bills linebacker Preston Brown for a 23-yard gain. "His ball placement tells you where the defender is when you can't see him," Royal says. "That's big for yards after catch. It allows you to shield defenders away from the ball, whether it's on a deep ball where you can run through it, or on a crossing route where he hits you in stride. If you have to stop to get the ball, you're not going to get many yards after the catch."

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Gunning it
Through five weeks, quarterbacks are lining up in the shotgun or pistol on 60 percent of snaps, up from 38 percent in 2010. Over the past two seasons, the Chargers have called shotgun/pistol formations 71.6 percent of the time, fourth highest in the league.

PUTTING THE LEAGUE IN FOCUS



"It used to be, 'If they're under center, it's going to be run or play-action, and if they get in the gun it's going to be a pass,'" Rivers says. "Now it's not so much for us. I think that's a positive. That really allows Frank and all of us to be more comfortable doing it more. It's like, 'Get in the gun whenever.'"

Rivers is right. Of the 995 snaps San Diego has taken from the shotgun/pistol the past two seasons, nearly 30 percent have resulted in runs. That's up from 11.7 percent in 2010.

Reich says the shotgun has clear advantages in the passing game, too, cutting down a quarterback's drop from 1.3 seconds to 1 second. The quicker drop, combined with the shorter passes, "discourages blitzing," Rivers says. "I do think that defenses weigh that. 'If they're going to throw it quick all the time, why do we want to bring more guys? If we miss a tackle, it's a big play.'" Indeed, blitzes are at their lowest rate since 2007, and, not coincidentally, quarterbacks are being sacked on only 5.2 percent of dropbacks, the lowest rate through five weeks since 2006 (see chart below).

The results speak for themselves: Leaguewide, quarterbacks have a 65.0 Total QBR when they're in the shotgun or pistol this season. That's 30 percent higher than when they're under center, and the best figure through five weeks since ESPN began tracking the stat in 2006. Rivers' shotgun/pistol QBR comes in at 89.6, second in the NFL.

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Rivers for MVP?
What's it all add up to? A golden year in a golden era for quarterbacks -- and a career transformation for Rivers. Week 3 and 4 produced the two highest collective Total QBR scores since ESPN Stats & Information began tracking the stat in 2006. And Rivers' 84.8 QBR is the second best for a quarterback through five weeks since 2010. The only one higher: Peyton Manning's 92.0 from his 2013 MVP season.

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[potatoglasses]

I'm always curious how it'd play out if Russell and Luck swapped places.

How productive they'd be, what kind of success the teams would have...

 

[a55a5in11]

I'm always curious how it'd play out if Russell and Luck swapped places.

How productive they'd be, what kind of success the teams would have...

I want to say the same, but i see Russell makes plays i doubt Luck would and i see Luck make plays I doubt Russell would

 

[CP1708]

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[pacificnorsewst]

Jay Schroeder though?

 

[leftcoastin]

Philip Rivers is excited, which means he is talking the way he plays. The words come fast, emphasized with hand gestures and sound effects. During a seven-minute window after a recent Chargers practice, Rivers gives a 1,000-word dissertation on the quick-strike offenses that have taken over the NFL -- and turned the San Diego QB into an MVP candidate. "There's more empty backfield, more shotgun, more deet, deet, deet," Rivers says. "Maybe the game is changing."

Oh it's changing, one completion at a time. The Chargers' scheme shift under Mike McCoy -- initiated in 2013 and continued through the first five games this season -- has revitalized Rivers' career just two years after he finished with the sixth-worst Total QBR in the league.

The turnaround can be described in one word: efficiency. Yes, quarterbacks everywhere are still putting up gaudy touchdown and yardage numbers, but how they're doing it has changed. The proof is in the numbers.

Throwing bolts
Quarterbacks this season are connecting on 63.7 percent of their passes, up from 60.9 percent in 2011 and the highest rate through five weeks since 2001. In fact, Weeks 3 and 4 this season provided the highest and second-highest collective completion percentages by quarterbacks in NFL history.


Philip Rivers' 64.6 career completion rate is seventh all time (minimum 1,000 attempts).
It should come as no surprise, then, that the 129 interceptions thrown thus far in 2014 are 16 percent less than the average interceptions from the past four seasons over the same span. After throwing 15 picks in 2012, Rivers has just 13 since the beginning of last season, the fourth fewest among quarterbacks with at least 20 starts over that span.

His picks are down because his accuracy is up. Way up. Rivers' completion percentage has ranked first each of the past two seasons under McCoy (see chart below), and his career completion rate is a cool 64.6, seventh in NFL history among passers with at least 1,000 attempts.

"His level of accuracy is beyond great," offensive coordinator Frank Reich says. "It's in that upper 1 percent with guys like Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. It's a gift." And it has helped the Chargers rank fifth in the NFL since 2013 with 273.1 passing yards per game.

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Short and sweet
Fourteen quarterbacks -- everyone from Russell Wilson to Ryan Fitzpatrick -- have completion rates at or above 65 percent this season, up from an average of eight in the first five weeks of the previous 13 seasons. The reason? For the second consecutive year, quarterbacks are throwing over half of their passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (see chart below).

And signal-callers are more deadly than ever with passes of the short variety. In Weeks 1-5 the past two seasons, they have a 3.03 TD/INT ratio on short throws. That's 58 percent better than the TD/INT ratio on similar throws during the first five weeks from 2006-12.

Rivers' 57.6 percent short-pass rate in 2014 is the highest among quarterbacks with at least 150 total throws. In the Chargers' case, this approach has helped minimize the effect of a struggling run game, which is averaging an NFL-worst 2.8 yards per carry. "We try to come out, be efficient and get our completions," Reich says. "And if you're struggling a little bit in the run game, some of those short passes are your runs. We call it, 'stealing runs.'"

Despite their reliance on dink-and-dunk passes, the Chargers are currently tied for third with 21 pass plays of 20 or more yards. "We're still getting our chunks, but we're not chucking it deep all the time," Rivers says. "Which is what you want, really."

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Catch and run
But how, exactly, do short passes translate into long gains? For starters, as the chart below shows, receivers leaguewide are dropping only 3.9 percent of their passes, the best rate in the nine years the stat has been tracked. And they're catching with more space around them. The past two seasons, receivers have averaged 5.17 yards after the catch, a 24 percent increase from a 4.18 average the previous 10 years.

Rivers' 8.75 yards per attempt leads the league through five weeks, thanks in part to his Chargers pass-catchers, who are fourth in the NFL with a 6.24 YAC rate. Receiver Eddie Royal -- who's part of a unit that has dropped only 2.5 percent of its targets (sixth best in the NFL) -- returns the credit to Rivers and his accuracy.

Take, for example, Rivers' simple 4-yard pass to Royal in Week 3 against the Bills. The precision throw, which hit Royal perfectly in stride, gave him plenty of room to run away from Bills linebacker Preston Brown for a 23-yard gain. "His ball placement tells you where the defender is when you can't see him," Royal says. "That's big for yards after catch. It allows you to shield defenders away from the ball, whether it's on a deep ball where you can run through it, or on a crossing route where he hits you in stride. If you have to stop to get the ball, you're not going to get many yards after the catch."

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Gunning it
Through five weeks, quarterbacks are lining up in the shotgun or pistol on 60 percent of snaps, up from 38 percent in 2010. Over the past two seasons, the Chargers have called shotgun/pistol formations 71.6 percent of the time, fourth highest in the league.

PUTTING THE LEAGUE IN FOCUS



"It used to be, 'If they're under center, it's going to be run or play-action, and if they get in the gun it's going to be a pass,'" Rivers says. "Now it's not so much for us. I think that's a positive. That really allows Frank and all of us to be more comfortable doing it more. It's like, 'Get in the gun whenever.'"

Rivers is right. Of the 995 snaps San Diego has taken from the shotgun/pistol the past two seasons, nearly 30 percent have resulted in runs. That's up from 11.7 percent in 2010.

Reich says the shotgun has clear advantages in the passing game, too, cutting down a quarterback's drop from 1.3 seconds to 1 second. The quicker drop, combined with the shorter passes, "discourages blitzing," Rivers says. "I do think that defenses weigh that. 'If they're going to throw it quick all the time, why do we want to bring more guys? If we miss a tackle, it's a big play.'" Indeed, blitzes are at their lowest rate since 2007, and, not coincidentally, quarterbacks are being sacked on only 5.2 percent of dropbacks, the lowest rate through five weeks since 2006 (see chart below).

The results speak for themselves: Leaguewide, quarterbacks have a 65.0 Total QBR when they're in the shotgun or pistol this season. That's 30 percent higher than when they're under center, and the best figure through five weeks since ESPN began tracking the stat in 2006. Rivers' shotgun/pistol QBR comes in at 89.6, second in the NFL.

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Rivers for MVP?
What's it all add up to? A golden year in a golden era for quarterbacks -- and a career transformation for Rivers. Week 3 and 4 produced the two highest collective Total QBR scores since ESPN Stats & Information began tracking the stat in 2006. And Rivers' 84.8 QBR is the second best for a quarterback through five weeks since 2010. The only one higher: Peyton Manning's 92.0 from his 2013 MVP season.

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& 2. rex ryan should see what chad pennington is up to

 

[Hahahaha]

I'm always curious how it'd play out if Russell and Luck swapped places.

How productive they'd be, what kind of success the teams would have...

Luck would be getting his second ring this year.
RW3 wouldn't know what the playoffs were like.

 

[coltfanb]

Luck would be getting his second ring this year.
RW3 wouldn't know what the playoffs were like.

#truth

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

"Bill Belichick made Tom Brady"..."Brady is lucky to have BB by his side"...etc, etc.

Are we sure about that?

Some people say these things like there isn't enough data we could look at and not only kill that train of thought, but wonder instead if the opposite is true.

...

Bill Belichick was head coach for exactly 100 total games before Tom Brady became his starting QB in 2001. He had a record of 42-58 in those games...good for a .420 win percentage.

Yup, the guy who is widely regarded as the best HC in the league (and possibly of all time) had an under .500 record in his first hundred games.

...

If you want a better picture of where he'd rank as a coach pre-Brady...here's a few dudes that coached in at least as many games and had/have a BETTER win % than Bill's first 100:

Norv MF'ing Turner (.483)

Dave Wannstedt (.485)

**** Jauron (.423)

Marvin Lewis (.520)

Herm Edwards (.422)

Jack Del Rio (.489)

Gary Kubiak (.48

Art Shell (.519)

Jim Fassel (.523)

Lovie Smith (.550)

Ken Whisenhunt (.455)

Pre-Brady Bill's closest comp is the current defensive coordinator of the 'Skins and future 1st ballot HOFer Jim Haslett.

108 games to 100.

.435 to Bill's .420.

"B-B-Bu-But...Matt Cassel won 11 games in '08!"

The '08 Patriots had the easiest SOS in the league that season, carried over a loaded offense from the previous year, and their head coach was much much MUCH better at his job at that point than whatever he did before 2001.

The '07 team won 7 more games and ran up 18 in a row before Eli came through. Sounds like a reasonable drop-off to me considering the circumstances.

I'm not saying these things to **** on Bill (this time)...just providing a little perspective on tired narratives.

 

[danikerhino]

Agree without you, Tom Brady is ridiculously talented, the coach doesn't execute ****, he only helps by coming up with plays (on some teams) and stunts. He doesn't have to face in field pressure, he doesn't adjust to the defensive schemes on the fly, he doesn't read the coverage, etc.... All these on field last second decision are ran through the QB and is dictated by how he responds. The Coach can only predict, assume, and plan.

 

[pacificnorsewst]

I'll wait until Luck actually does this against a good defense.






Your move, Russ.

 

[dmxfury]

Texans D isn't bad...

Is it?

 

[do work son]

HHH's heart is going to detonate one of these days in the ring.

And you can watch it for just 9.99

Texans D isn't bad...

Is it?

We're very bend don't break. Give up lots of yardage, somehow force turnovers. Offense struggles which keeps the defense on the field more than they should

 

[pacificnorsewst]

Texans D isn't bad...

Is it?

I was being sarcastic.

Luck balled out.

 

[dmxfury]

Yeah that's my bad

 

[Clyde Frog]

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used the top 10 all time TD leaders and the next 7 active players (there was a significant divide at that point). Final column is extrapolated TDs

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Number of passes thrown for each TD thrown

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By dividing Attempts per TD by 10,169, we get an extrapolated TD number for each QB (in essence, how many TDs they would throw at the current rate, if they were to throw 10,169 passes in their career).

 

[DeadsetAce]

oh look...tony romo

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at here.

Aaron Rodgers is already 30 years old and would need 7000 passing attempts to hit the same number as Brett Favre... ?

 

[Hahahaha]

Those charts are dumb.

 

[Clyde Frog]

I think there's something to be said with what you've accomplished, whatever it may be, in comparison to how many times you have made an attempt. Brett Favre is used for reference, most wont have as many attempts as him. A way that I looked at it, is not how many touchdowns they would have if they threw the ball as many times as Favre, but hypothetically some of those guys wouldnt even need to throw the ball as many times as Favre. They've already scored. But its also fun to see what pace you were on if you had the opportunity to throw the ball as many times as Favre.

Which ever way you take it I just thought it was something interesting, apologies for posting.