QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

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[360wavesandxbox]

Rivers better than Ryan? SMH

 

[dmxfury]

Without a doubt IMO

Big Phil

 

[Chester McFloppy]

http://football-players.pointafter....on-decidedly-better-now-tom-brady-early-2000s

Proving Russell Wilson is Decidedly Better Now Than Tom Brady Was in Early 2000s

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[dmxfury]

The next article is how Dalton is better than young TB. Check the stats

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Can throw 4 picks in the NFC Championship game and somehow still win.
Can watch his team put up 29 points in a Super Bowl before he accounts for a touchdown.

"Wilson has displayed the potential to morph into a combination of Brady (passing ability and intangibles), Drew Brees (undersized slinger with elite accuracy) and Randall Cunningham (running ability).

If he does, not only should Wilson be regarded as one of the sport’s best modern quarterbacks — he could be on track to becoming one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history."

Yikes.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Also, since it hasn't been posted on this page yet:

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[dmxfury]

Articles like that are unfair to RW. They have so much projection and 'what ifs', just let the kid grow and continue to improve. They lead to unnecessary criticism and resentment from everyone that reads it (except Hawk fans most likely)

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Articles like that are unfair to RW. They have so much projection and 'what ifs', just let the kid grow and continue to improve. They lead to unnecessary criticism and resentment from everyone that reads it (except Hawk fans most likely)

Exactly this.

People saying things like "Marshawn Lynch doesn't help Russell Wilson" doesn't help his cause, either.

 

[S4L]

Articles like that are unfair to RW. They have so much projection and 'what ifs', just let the kid grow and continue to improve. They lead to unnecessary criticism and resentment from everyone that reads it

You can say that about every young QB in the league that you dudes like to prop up on this board. So many clownish statements involving Teddy, Luck, and etc...

..but for some reason Wilson gets the most resentment even though he's the one who's accomplish the most.

 

[licensed to ball]

Rivers better than Ryan? SMH

Temecula, NOW.

 

[dmxfury]

Where have I gone overboard crowning a young QB besides Luck? I've made small comments on Teddy but never said something like he's better than a young TB

RW gets the resentment because of the (perceived) over praise he gets like this article. If this article had Teddy's name you really think guys would just co-sign and post ?

 

[S4L]

Where have I gone overboard crowning a young QB besides Luck? I've made small comments on Teddy but never said something like he's better than a young TB

Not you in particular that hypes up the young QBs but I always see you join in on the resentment of Wilson, but never for anyone else. Very clownish to me, but hey...

RW gets the resentment because of the (perceived) over praise he gets like this article.

What overpraise though? The hype he's gotten the last 2 years is nothing new to me. He's been to back to back Super Bowls. Super Bowls overrate players, it just does for some reason. You've seen it happen with Eli when everyone crowned him better than his brother and everybody had him in their Top 5 when he won 2. Eli isn't even Top 15 now/ You've seen it happen with Flacco when he won 1.


That article is a fluff piece, that not too many people take seriously...

 

[dmxfury]

You said it yourself, Super Bowls can overrate players. It did with Ben early on (when people had him top 5 in 05/06), Eli, Flacco for 2013, etc. I probably chime in on Russ because he is the one young gun always discussed besides Luck and I'm a big AL fan so I don't post many negative comments on him (plus it's usually a funny back and forth). And generally it turns into an Wilson v Luck debate and I take the Luck side on that.

If your last statement rings true, then you are right no need for me to even comment on it. But considering the original post it seemed like more of the same pushing Wilson and just how awesome he is at us

 

[360wavesandxbox]

Temecula, NOW.

LMAO

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

I have a question, what does Seattle's defense have to do with Wilson's ability to quarterback an offense?

Notice I didn't ask how they help, or anything of that nature.

What does that defense do that directly impacts his play on the field? Does Sherman come off the bench and catch passes? Is Cam Chancellor out there blocking on the line?

And before anybody dismisses this argument as silly, just remember taking credit away from somebody who goes out there and does well enough for his team to go to back-to-back SBs is just as silly. Because if it's that easy to win a super bowl with a so called average quarterback and a monster defense, it would've been done plenty of times throughout the years.

Some of you let other people's opinion of somebody ruin your common sense, and it's ridiculous.

 

[dmxfury]

Absolutely nothing

 

[Lovetohate3000]

I have a question, what does Seattle's defense have to do with Wilson's ability to quarterback an offense?

Notice I didn't ask how they help, or anything of that nature.

What does that defense do that directly impacts his play on the field? Does Sherman come off the bench and catch passes? Is Cam Chancellor out there blocking on the line?

And before anybody dismisses this argument as silly, just remember taking credit away from somebody who goes out there and does well enough for his team to go to back-to-back SBs is just as silly. Because if it's that easy to win a super bowl with a so called average quarterback and a monster defense, it would've been done plenty of times throughout the years.

Some of you let other people's opinion of somebody ruin your common sense, and it's ridiculous.

brad johnson , dilfer, russell. jeff hostetler. 

has happened quite a few times. its silly to think that because a qb wins a super bowl it makes him not average especially when carried by a monster defense. 

 

[CP1708]

Fix, correct, and erase mistakes.

ANY other team gives Aaron Rodgers the ball, with 4 INT's AND a fumble recovery, they gettin blowed out. BLOWED out.

Seattle does it. 19 points. Nineteen. On FIVE turnovers.

That doesn't "help" an offense?

Seattle gets a Safety, a Kick Return TD, and a pick 6, in the Super Bowl, holding Peyton Manning scoreless for over half the game, that doesn't help an offense?????

Really that hard to figure out?

 

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[COLOR=#red]Top 10 in all your lists this year... Book It Nerds![/COLOR]​

 

[elpablo21]

Also, since it hasn't been posted on this page yet:

Seattle has a great defense - check

QBR - the magical stat that rated Matt Ryan, Flacco and Eli Manning better than your Golden Child Luck.

It's time to stop pretending that Wilson is only good because he's on a team with a strong run game and defense. Seattle's offense finished fifth in weighted DVOA (measures efficiency, not rate stats) in 2014 -- a feat they simply could not have accomplished without Wilson captaining the offense -- both in the run game and the passing game.

Similar to how Lynch and Wilson relied on each other in a symbiotic run-game relationship, so too did Seattle's offense and defense. Seattle's offensive group helped the defense establish itself as the cream of the crop by consistently putting together long drives  (averaged over 3:00 per drive, third in the NFL), dominating time of possession (third in the NFL at over 32 minutes per game), and by scoring at a consistently high rate (ninth most points per drive). This despite the fact that Wilson was by far the most pressured  quarterback in the NFL (on 34 percent of dropbacks). Seattle doesn't pick their linemen because they're good in pass pro, you see, but Wilson was still second in pass DVOA  (value per play) when under pressure.

If you're still not convinced, consider this stat, because it helps paint a picture of what kind of passer a quarterback really is without pressure and volume involved. In 2014, Wilson finished third in passing DVOA  among quarterbacks when facing no pressure, behind only Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo. In other words -- when Wilson could sit back and throw without a defender instantly in his face, he balled out.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

Fix, correct, and erase mistakes.

ANY other team gives Aaron Rodgers the ball, with 4 INT's AND a fumble recovery, they gettin blowed out. BLOWED out.

Seattle does it. 19 points. Nineteen. On FIVE turnovers.

That doesn't "help" an offense?

Seattle gets a Safety, a Kick Return TD, and a pick 6, in the Super Bowl, holding Peyton Manning scoreless for over half the game, that doesn't help an offense?????

Really that hard to figure out?

common sense is not so common

 

[jayfiend]

Fix, correct, and erase mistakes.

ANY other team gives Aaron Rodgers the ball, with 4 INT's AND a fumble recovery, they gettin blowed out. BLOWED out.

Seattle does it. 19 points. Nineteen. On FIVE turnovers.

That doesn't "help" an offense?

Seattle gets a Safety, a Kick Return TD, and a pick 6, in the Super Bowl, holding Peyton Manning scoreless for over half the game, that doesn't help an offense?????

Really that hard to figure out?

It annoys me that people over look these facts....

And why is it important that Wilson is top 10? So what if he's avg?

I just don't get what people say that's so great about the guy... He was trash in that NFC championship until the Bubblegum **** started working... People just don't want to see the truth...

 

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[100027]

It annoys me that people over look these facts....

And why is it important that Wilson is top 10? So what if he's avg?

I just don't get what people say that's so great about the guy... He was trash in that NFC championship until the Bubblegum **** started working... People just don't want to see the truth...

So he's average or below average because his defense is great.

If you ignore every basic and advanced statistic and the actual evidence on the field.  

Because of the fact that the defense and running game are also good.  Never been a good quarterback with a top defense and running game before?