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[] [] [] *** LOGO CONTEST *** [] [] [] CASH PRIZE!! vol. Cupcakes and pinup girls!
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Dudes, it's not that serious. You either want to help and make a quick 50 bucks or you don't.
Why wouldn't anyone with skills want a quick 50 bucks for 30 minutes of light work? She's not a Forbes top 100 corporation...
She's just a lady who wants to
Make cupcakes and make some side
Money.
WHO DO YOU THINK SHES GOING TO BE, THE BILL GATES OF CUPCAKES?
What the hell you scared of? That Skas friend will turn into the next Nike of the baking industry? From her kitchen? With her hobby that she has no interest in turning into a big company?
I mean Jesus. Get off your high horses, I have an Art degree so I'm well aware of what an artist deserves for their hard work, but I'm also aware of the climate. People can get 50 dollar logos ALL OVER Instagram dudes.
The amount of talented people willing to make quick cash is endless over social media.
My buddy had an artist make him a logo for his podcast for 25 bucks!! 25!! The guy was juiced. Quick money for 20 minutes of work. My buddy didn't have high standards and he's not trying to turn into the next NPR RADIO. It's just side work for him for some side source of income. He has a career and isn't leaving it because of his little podcast hobby.
25 buck work is being done all over Instagram, yet nt'ers acting like 50 bucks isn't enough for an hour of work on a cupcake design
CMON MAN.
NT is supposed to be a community, we're always helping each other out when were in need. He's offering you 50 when he could just asked for a free favor.
Either do it and help a lady out from the goodness of your heart or get out. It's that simple.
Why wouldn't anyone with skills want a quick 50 bucks for 30 minutes of light work? She's not a Forbes top 100 corporation...
She's just a lady who wants to
Make cupcakes and make some side
Money.
WHO DO YOU THINK SHES GOING TO BE, THE BILL GATES OF CUPCAKES?
What the hell you scared of? That Skas friend will turn into the next Nike of the baking industry? From her kitchen? With her hobby that she has no interest in turning into a big company?
I mean Jesus. Get off your high horses, I have an Art degree so I'm well aware of what an artist deserves for their hard work, but I'm also aware of the climate. People can get 50 dollar logos ALL OVER Instagram dudes.
The amount of talented people willing to make quick cash is endless over social media.
My buddy had an artist make him a logo for his podcast for 25 bucks!! 25!! The guy was juiced. Quick money for 20 minutes of work. My buddy didn't have high standards and he's not trying to turn into the next NPR RADIO. It's just side work for him for some side source of income. He has a career and isn't leaving it because of his little podcast hobby.
25 buck work is being done all over Instagram, yet nt'ers acting like 50 bucks isn't enough for an hour of work on a cupcake design
CMON MAN.
NT is supposed to be a community, we're always helping each other out when were in need. He's offering you 50 when he could just asked for a free favor.
Either do it and help a lady out from the goodness of your heart or get out. It's that simple.
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Ska,
You're really playing yourself in this thread with your 'justifications'.
You're really playing yourself in this thread with your 'justifications'.
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I've got a good idea for one. I may sketch something out. That is a rather long name.
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I feel like people need to understand that it doesn't take 30 minutes to put a quality piece of work together. The other thing that irks me are "contest" where multiple designers give up their ideas for the CHANCE to win a prize. So one person walks away with $50 for their time and the rest just gave their time, effort and ideas away for nothing. Who's to say that those other ideas won't be incorporated into the final design and what do they get for their intellectual property? Nothing.30 minutes of light work? It will take more time than that to find references, sketch a rough draft and plan the final piece. Should that time go uncompensated? And then what about revisions to the final piece if the person you're working for wants to tweak a thing or two?
What her company may become is irrelevant. Do you conduct any other transactions based on the potential to earn?
Have you ever gone to the store and grabbed all the things that you want and told the cashier you can't pay because you're not making that kind of money yet? Doesn't matter. When you hire an artist you SHOULD have the decency to understand that you are paying for WORK. People have this "art is fun" so I shouldn't have to pay that much for it attitude when it comes to graphic design work. Well for most designers, it's work.
I mean Jesus. Get off your high horses, I have an Art degree so I'm well aware of what an artist deserves for their hard work, but I'm also aware of the climate. People can get 50 dollar logos ALL OVER Instagram dudes.
The amount of talented people willing to make quick cash is endless over social media.
My buddy had an artist make him a logo for his podcast for 25 bucks!! 25!! The guy was juiced. Quick money for 20 minutes of work. My buddy didn't have high standards and he's not trying to turn into the next NPR RADIO. It's just side work for him for some side source of income. He has a career and isn't leaving it because of his little podcast hobby.
25 buck work is being done all over Instagram, yet nt'ers acting like 50 bucks isn't enough for an hour of work on a cupcake design
CMON MAN.
NT is supposed to be a community, we're always helping each other out when were in need. He's offering you 50 when he could just asked for a free favor.
Either do it and help a lady out from the goodness of your heart or get out. It's that simple.
You're an art major with that attitude?
So why don't you do it?
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its realllllly not tho ... if i could draw id all for making some quick
money in 20-30 minutes while helping out someone in need & trying to do something positive
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General principles of business show that she is off to a bad start with that long name.
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Yambs. ... ... :\
I feel bad for some of you. Legit. Money & sex: all that drives so many. Those 2 things are so important to you personally that it's practically IMPOSSIBLE to imagine someone just helping someone out, someone who does NOT have an ulterior motive hopefully ending in money or sex.
Sir San Diego
, you asked about my mechanic. Name's Eddie. Lives right down the street I've given him clients, 2 of which were dead broke at the time he serviced them, ONE OF WHICH WAS INTRODUCED TO EDDIE FOR SOMETHING EDDIE DID FOR FREE. My neighbor... WHO I PROMISE I HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE IN MY LIFE... couldn't get his car started for school, so I gave him and his little girl a lift on the way to taking my son to school, and when we got back, I hit Eddie up and he got my neighbor's car started. You can look at it as him doing something "for free", or you can look at it as a couple dudes (me and Eddie) just stepping in to help somebody out.
Tell me more about how everyone should be charging for their services. That's absolutely how the world works, man. Aware me.
... ... :\I feel bad for some of you. Legit. Money & sex: all that drives so many. Those 2 things are so important to you personally that it's practically IMPOSSIBLE to imagine someone just helping someone out, someone who does NOT have an ulterior motive hopefully ending in money or sex.
Sir San Diego
, you asked about my mechanic. Name's Eddie. Lives right down the street I've given him clients, 2 of which were dead broke at the time he serviced them, ONE OF WHICH WAS INTRODUCED TO EDDIE FOR SOMETHING EDDIE DID FOR FREE. My neighbor... WHO I PROMISE I HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE IN MY LIFE... couldn't get his car started for school, so I gave him and his little girl a lift on the way to taking my son to school, and when we got back, I hit Eddie up and he got my neighbor's car started. You can look at it as him doing something "for free", or you can look at it as a couple dudes (me and Eddie) just stepping in to help somebody out.Tell me more about how everyone should be charging for their services. That's absolutely how the world works, man. Aware me.
Justifications... of what? I have no agenda other than "Oh, a neat little logo, you say? Let me see if anyone on NT has some spare minutes and could use a quick $50." What exactly am I justifying? In order to justify something, shouldn't I at least feel like I need to make an excuse for what I've done? Y'all dudes the ones justifying what is essentially a favor, w/ $50 attached to deter anyone saying "Right, like someone's gonna design this girl's logo for free. Beat it, mod."
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ALL of that.Dudes, it's not that serious. You either want to help and make a quick 50 bucks or you don't.
Why wouldn't anyone with skills want a quick 50 bucks for 30 minutes of light work? She's not a Forbes top 100 corporation...
She's just a lady who wants to
Make cupcakes and make some side
Money.
WHO DO YOU THINK SHES GOING TO BE, THE BILL GATES OF CUPCAKES?
What the hell you scared of? That Skas friend will turn into the next Nike of the baking industry? From her kitchen? With her hobby that she has no interest in turning into a big company?
I mean Jesus. Get off your high horses, I have an Art degree so I'm well aware of what an artist deserves for their hard work, but I'm also aware of the climate. People can get 50 dollar logos ALL OVER Instagram dudes.
The amount of talented people willing to make quick cash is endless over social media.
My buddy had an artist make him a logo for his podcast for 25 bucks!! 25!! The guy was juiced. Quick money for 20 minutes of work. My buddy didn't have high standards and he's not trying to turn into the next NPR RADIO. It's just side work for him for some side source of income. He has a career and isn't leaving it because of his little podcast hobby.
25 buck work is being done all over Instagram, yet nt'ers acting like 50 bucks isn't enough for an hour of work on a cupcake design
CMON MAN.
NT is supposed to be a community, we're always helping each other out when were in need. He's offering you 50 when he could just asked for a free favor.
Either do it and help a lady out from the goodness of your heart or get out. It's that simple.
I've had dudes send me links to free digital downloads to movies that they figured my son would like.
If you're looking for a payday, why not just leave this thread alone?
Serious question.
You feel you're talented and $50 ain't worth your time, I respect your self-worth.
So "Next thread".
'S that simple.
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Exactly.its realllllly not tho ... if i could draw id all for making some quickmoney in 20-30 minutes while helping out someone in need & trying to do something positive
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Yambs.
I feel sorry for you. Legit. Money & sex: all that drives so many.
You asked about my mechanic. Name's Eddie. Lives right down the street I've given him clients, 2 of which were dead broke at the time he serviced them, ONE OF WHICH WAS INTRODUCED TO EDDIE FOR SOMETHING EDDIE DID FOR FREE. My neighbor... WHO I PROMISE I HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE IN MY LIFE... couldn't get his car started for school, so I gave him and his little girl a lift on the way to taking my son to school, and when we got back, I hit Eddie up and he got my neighbor's car started. You can look at it as him doing something "for free", or you can look at it as a couple dudes (me and Eddie) just stepping in to help somebody out.
Tell me more about how everyone should be charging for their services. That's absolutely how the world works, man. Aware me.
No one is asking for your sympathy. So you can kill that noise my dude. I don't even do graphic design anymore and offered up a free idea of what it could look like just to keep the thread moving and to see what came out, so I had no interest in money and if you're offering sex, I'm good on that too.
As for your mechanic, Eddie decided to do it for free and that's good. What you're failing to see in the analogy is that it was his decision and you didn't set the price. If someone comes in here with a design you like and they do it for $50 or for free, I'm not going to knock that person or you. It's not my issue really. I was initially backing up the idea that $50 isn't that much for that kind of work, which it isn't, and saying that your attitude of why someone should be ok with $50 stinks. It's not your call what someone else should be ok with when it comes to their work. You're missing the point. Had you kept with your original attitude of "if you don't want to do it for $50, then don't and keep it moving" (paraphrasing) then I'd have nothing to say, but now you are insisting on why people should want to and using community to justify what you initially proposed as a contest.
I only stated my problem with your line of thinking and jokingly suggested that you may be doing it for a free plate of cupcakes and some yambs. Whatever the case, you do have some sort of motivation to be doing this for her and that's no one's business but yours. But don't pretend that you are acting altruistically when you made this a contest for you and her to judge the best work.
Aware you?
Come on man. I just spoke my piece and am voicing my disgust with that line of thought that says graphic designers are a "dime a dozen" or should be happy with $50 for a logo. You shouldn't take it personally.
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I'm not forcing anyone into anything, though.No one is asking for your sympathy. So you can kill that noise my dude. I don't even do graphic design anymore and offered up a free idea of what it could look like just to keep the thread moving and to see what came out, so I had no interest in money and if you're offering sex, I'm good on that too.Yambs.... ...
I feel sorry for you. Legit. Money & sex: all that drives so many.
You asked about my mechanic. Name's Eddie. Lives right down the street I've given him clients, 2 of which were dead broke at the time he serviced them, ONE OF WHICH WAS INTRODUCED TO EDDIE FOR SOMETHING EDDIE DID FOR FREE. My neighbor... WHO I PROMISE I HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE IN MY LIFE... couldn't get his car started for school, so I gave him and his little girl a lift on the way to taking my son to school, and when we got back, I hit Eddie up and he got my neighbor's car started. You can look at it as him doing something "for free", or you can look at it as a couple dudes (me and Eddie) just stepping in to help somebody out.
Tell me more about how everyone should be charging for their services. That's absolutely how the world works, man. Aware me.
As for your mechanic, Eddie decided to do it for free and that's good. What you're failing to see in the analogy is that it was his decision and you didn't set the price. If someone comes in here with a design you like and they do it for $50 or for free, I'm not going to knock that person or you. It's not my issue really. I was initially backing up the idea that $50 isn't that much for that kind of work, which it isn't, and saying that your attitude of why someone should be ok with $50 stinks. It's not your call what someone else should be ok with when it comes to their work. You're missing the point. Had you kept with your original attitude of "if you don't want to do it for $50, then don't and keep it moving" (paraphrasing) then I'd have nothing to say, but now you are insisting on why people should want to and using community to justify what you initially proposed as a contest.
I only stated my problem with your line of thinking and jokingly suggested that you may be doing it for a free plate of cupcakes and some yambs. Whatever the case, you do have some sort of motivation to be doing this for her and that's no one's business but yours. But don't pretend that you are acting altruistically when you made this a contest for you and her to judge the best work.
Aware you?
Come on man. I just spoke my piece and am voicing my disgust with that line of thought that says graphic designers are a "dime a dozen" or should be happy with $50 for a logo. You shouldn't take it personally.
My stance is simply a response to people jumping in here like "Clowns, the both of you. $50?! Pshaw."
And you're right, no one asked for my sympathy.
*checks thread*
And no one asked what disgusts you.
The title is for those interested in making a simple design for what is admittedly a simple reward; the title is not asking me who I feel sorry for, and it's not asking who thinks $50 is fair or a rip-off.
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20-30 min on a sketch, sure. but to make that into an actual idea/logo is going to take A LOT more time. Ton of people don't get to see the back end of designer's works: the research, planning, multiple revisions, then finalizing. If you actually want a shot at a good logo, put out the prize for AT LEAST $250, and I'm being very generous here, and that may not even included all the revisions your client might need.
Brolic is right, that in this business, you need to have the right mind set and make them realize that clients are hiring you for your expertise.
Put out at "Prize" at at least $250, and you'll see a significant difference int he quality of work.
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in the very first post...
So why are people complaining about the price??
keep it pushing.
So why are people complaining about the price??
keep it pushing.
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in the very first post...
So why are people complaining about the price??
keep it pushing.
It's not the price, it's the attitude that's the biggest issue. I'd be more than happy to participate in this "trial" but just don't expect much is what we're saying.
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Dudes just love to argue for a living.
Simple as that Ska.
Simple as that Ska.
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potential lullz ruined |I
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I don't expect much.It's not the price, it's the attitude that's the biggest issue. I'd be more than happy to participate in this "trial" but just don't expect much is what we're saying.in the very first post...
So why are people complaining about the price??
keep it pushing.
Neither does she.
That's... kind of the exact point, and it's a point being missed by people who are telling me that I'm missing the point of "Want people to work for you? COMPENSATE THEM."
This... wasn't... it was just...
*facepalm*
Scribble something on a napkin if you're bored at work. Cupcakes, pinup girls, and alcohol. $50.
So simple.
"But what about my art degree?" Use that for every single thing that is bigger than this, which is every single thing out there, apparently. No biggie.
"My research is worth more than that!" Yes, to someone willing to pay it. She's not.
"No one will oblige!" Ok. That would have been perfectly fine if it were true, but apparently, that's false.
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Doggy...
I didn't even start this discussion, but I guess I'm championing graphic designers in it because of the attitude displayed by ooIRON MANoo and you in a couple of posts. HE said graphic designers are a "dime a dozen". That's BEYOND disrespectful and as someone that used to tell people like that I don't want their money or their work all the time, it still irks me.
Of course you can't force anybody to do it. No one is questioning that so let's not even discuss it.
And here's YOU
darthska
insisting just what you said you weren't: that people should want to do it for $50 and the sake of community.In response to
LiCeNseD To BaLL said:
you said:
which suggest that you agree wholeheartedly with his thinking.
I didn't start this discussion, I just felt passionately about it and shared my thoughts. I'm done with this though. I wish you the best in finding a suitable design.
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You think that's what I'm suggesting.
I'm simply responding to the notion that helping someone out for pennies on the dollar, or even zero, is not unprecedented.
If you're simple-minded enough to think that referencing something implies a suggestion, that's on you.
referencing =/= suggesting
Fact.
"Man, no one does anything for free, and no one's lifting a finger for $50, either."
*a previous example of free services is brought up*
"SO NOW YOU'RE SUGGESTING PEOPLE SHOULD DO IT FOR FREE?!?! THE NERVE!!!"
Nah, dog.
Errr, doggy.
Step back for a second and think in more simple terms, because simplicity is the origin here. Instead of a slap in the face like "Hey, design something for free!", throw $50 on it, emphasize that's it's no serious business venture at ALL, keep the convo light.
All it was supposed to be.
All it should be.
All it needs to be.
I'm simply responding to the notion that helping someone out for pennies on the dollar, or even zero, is not unprecedented.
If you're simple-minded enough to think that referencing something implies a suggestion, that's on you.
referencing =/= suggesting
Fact.
"Man, no one does anything for free, and no one's lifting a finger for $50, either."
*a previous example of free services is brought up*
"SO NOW YOU'RE SUGGESTING PEOPLE SHOULD DO IT FOR FREE?!?! THE NERVE!!!"
Nah, dog.
Errr, doggy.
Step back for a second and think in more simple terms, because simplicity is the origin here. Instead of a slap in the face like "Hey, design something for free!", throw $50 on it, emphasize that's it's no serious business venture at ALL, keep the convo light.
All it was supposed to be.
All it should be.
All it needs to be.
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The way I see it, there's 2 ways to take this:
"What's disrespectful is the amount of things I've seen drawn on here for FREE over the years, for nothing more than lulz and some reps.
But let somebody ask a favor of these sneakerheads, and all of a sudden these screen names transform into Graphic Designers, and Nike becomes the gold standard for 'negotiations' that include stock options...Half of you reading this are chilling at an office job, anyways, getting paid to be on FB and NT, and whipping something together for a quick $50 could be done during your lunch break."
Interpretation A (yours):
"Because other people have stuff for lulz, I *EXPECT* people to line up at this request."
Interpretation B (what I meant to convey):
"Hey, I know some of y'all throw stuff together for nothing more than a rep. If you're bored at work/home and there's nothing else wasting your time, wanna throw something together for a friend? I'd appreciate it... and you'll get $50 if she goes w/ your logo."
You're interpreting something as a demand and justification that was meant as nothing more than a reference point and further explanation for making the thread to begin with, mixed in w/ a defense of people saying the request was disrespectful to begin w/.
"What's disrespectful is the amount of things I've seen drawn on here for FREE over the years, for nothing more than lulz and some reps.
But let somebody ask a favor of these sneakerheads, and all of a sudden these screen names transform into Graphic Designers, and Nike becomes the gold standard for 'negotiations' that include stock options...Half of you reading this are chilling at an office job, anyways, getting paid to be on FB and NT, and whipping something together for a quick $50 could be done during your lunch break."
Interpretation A (yours):
"Because other people have stuff for lulz, I *EXPECT* people to line up at this request."
Interpretation B (what I meant to convey):
"Hey, I know some of y'all throw stuff together for nothing more than a rep. If you're bored at work/home and there's nothing else wasting your time, wanna throw something together for a friend? I'd appreciate it... and you'll get $50 if she goes w/ your logo."
You're interpreting something as a demand and justification that was meant as nothing more than a reference point and further explanation for making the thread to begin with, mixed in w/ a defense of people saying the request was disrespectful to begin w/.
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