2015 NY Knicks offseason thread, Los Almighty appreciation thread

[johnnyredstorm]

yeah i can dig that. because you're right, looking beneath the stat line, there's some things to be weary at. but then you could also rationalize them. i like the way you put it, all things considered.

 

[essential1]

yeah i can dig that. because you're right, looking beneath the stat line, there's some things to be weary at. but then you could also rationalize them. i like the way you put it, all things considered.

But 10 years from now, I think the all things considered goes out the window, and it's just a black and white. LeBron lost the series.. Context usually gets lost in discussions of sports history.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

yeah that is true. and if they win, it's one of the greatest performances of all time.

 

[nick.]

you can say it's an all time great performance because he's somehow keeping his team of bench players in the series.

you can also say it's not because he's shooting like 39% & taking 30+ shots a game.

either way i've throughly enjoyed watching this series

 

[the gr8est]

except this year he isn't choking or being a mental ******, he's literally drained and has 0 energy in the 4th quarters. he's rested something like 8 minutes total this series. what do you want from the guy? to not hit the front of the rim on jump shots in the 4th quarter when he's spent the first 3 rebounding, scoring, passing and defending? what lebron is doing this finals hasn't been asked from anyone in a long time. it's one thing when you rip lebron for not showing up w wade n bosh on his team that's fair and deserving, but to rip him for being inefficient and somehow still getting is team to be 2-2 in the finals against a squad that's 10 deep? that's just unfair and inappropriate.

First off if you read back I never accused Bron of choking this season. I acknowledged the second that Kyrie went down that Bron is about to do some historically great things in these finals. Because he is the best player in the world, because the Ws are young and inexperienced, and because Lebron loves escuses... Because he is a mental ******* ******.

And I am sorry, Bron is most DEFINITELY a mental ******. He is a mental ****** because he cares more about himself than the team (an extremely JR like characteristic). He is a mental ****** for leaving Cleveland for Miami. He is a mental ****** for leaving Miami back for Cleveland. And the worst part about all this **** is how he convinces the media to play into all his bull ****. No, not me. Bron cares about Cleveland now? *****. Baby **** dont care about Cleveland or the Cavs.

Just like Earl and NY, Lebron LOVES Cleveland because of what Cleveland can do for Lebron. Without that, and without winning the draft lottery, there is no shot that Lebron comes back to this sorry sqaud. Dude is continuously making moves looking for the easy way out and leaving teams in the dust for betterment of Lebron James. He is soft and weak. This is why he will never be anything beyond borderline top 10 player of all time when it is said and done despite being the most physically gifted basketball player to ever live. Outside of his sheer talent, Lebron is a *****. Always has been and always will be. Dude is a smarter version of JR. Neither more mental ****** than the other.

But no, I never accused Lebron of choking during these playoffs. Like I said, I predicted Lebron potentially carrying the Cavs all the way because he is that good and because he loves excuses. Bron loves excuses so much that I am convinced it is the only reason he has been able to take THIS Cavs team this far. He went to Cleveland looking for the easy way out (again), but everyone around him got hurt. So now, the pressure is off of Lebron and he knows it. Lebron uses excuses to fuel him in the same way MJ used failure.

Bron cares so much about what others think about him. It is why when everyone expected him to win in 2011, he stood in the corner and choked away like a ***** against a team they were better than. Lebron LOVES the position he is in now. Where if he wins, he is the almighty hero winning with a "gritty group of underdogs." If he loses than he just didnt have enough help. It is for this reason why Lebron has had such a great finals, but dont try and tell me that last game was just an "off night" and his poor 4th quarters are just "fatigue." If you wanna use that than also explain to me why for the SECOND YEAR IN A ROW the second things go south Bron goes "It's just basketball" on reporters. **** of my face with that ****. Dude is straight up ***** made. Hes a ******* hypocrit also. Nothing is more important than Lebron plying basketball when he is winning, hell never let you forget that. Now for the second year in a row, the first sign of choppy waters, "it's just basketball man." That quote should be in the mental ****** hand book. ******* sickening.

The greats dont get fatigued like that in the 4th. Imagine Lebron playing the flu game? Holy ******* **** it would have been awful. But the greats dont make excuses. MJ went out there and laid everything on the line and had a truly historic night. Deapite fatigue. He rose to the occasion in 99% of playoff 4th quarters he played in because MJ is a ******* winner. I dont doubt that Bron is fatigued, but **** using that as an excuse. Another example of people running and making every excuse they could find for Lebron because he does the same ******* thing for himself.

Thats the thing with MJ, despite the lofty expectations that everyone placed on him, he always seemed to rise to the occasion and take it a notch higher in the playoffs and continue to amaze people until the day he retired. Lebron? He does no more than what his skill set allows, admittedly a lot, but still, he genuinely lacks that drive to win that amazes people when they watch him in the playoffs. Especially when it matters the most, in the 4th quarter. That is why I said Lebron has never "impressed" me in the playoffs besides 2012 vs OKC and 2007 vs Detroit. Maybe I place too high of expectations on him, but that is the case when you continuously try and fail to be compared with the greats. Not saying that Lebron has choked in this series but color ke unimpressed as well.

So maybe that argument that Bron is simply "fatigued" could potentially fly with me if he had a track record of sustained playoff success. But still probably not. Because if he did, he would understand that fatigue isnt an excuse in June and he would play through it. But dont tell me Lebron is "fatigued" because he is carrying more of a load than anybody in NBA history, when the reality of the matter is that this is nothing new. Lebron has been weak in playoff 4th quarters his entire ******* career. Im not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Did Lebron simply get fatigued by Boston in 2010 and by Dallas in 2011? No. They got in his head and made him look like the ***** that he is. Sure, fatigue probably played a part, it always does, but that Heat team was as good as any team we have seen and he still sucked. That is what I mean when I say that Lebron has "choked" more so than "impressed" during his playoffs career.

Im not saying Lebron is choking right now, that wouldnt be correct, but the other night I saw the same thing that I saw in 2010 and 2011. The Ws got inside of Lebron's easily accessible head. I hope that this trend continues now that they found out how to do so. **** fatigue.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

the guy hasn't been a mental ****** this series though. he's put his team on his back and has them tied 2-2 against a far superior team that's 10 deep while resting 2 minutes per game.

 

[art vandelay]

For all things mentioned, I hope he pulls it off. I'm not even a Bron fan or anything, but I hope they win it. Shrug.

 

[the gr8est]

the guy hasn't been a mental ****** this series though. he's put his team on his back and has them tied 2-2 against a far superior team that's 10 deep while resting 2 minutes per game.

He hasnt "choked" this series. Yet. However, Lebron was a mental ****** long before this series started and will continue to be so long after the series is over.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

That's like saying Melo is and always will be a ball stopping chucker that doesn't win though. Not really fair.

 

[the gr8est]

That's like saying Melo is and always will be a ball stopping chucker that doesn't win though. Not really fair.

That wouldnt be true though became Melo is a winner and he has won in the past. Games change, systems change. Melo needs a PG. He needs the ball in his hands less. When this isnt the case, Melo does become a ball stopping chucker. I wont deny that. That is all fixable though.

Lebron has proven that he lacks a winner's mentality over and over again throughout his career IMO. No matter where he plays or who he has played with. On and off the court. He might still win, and he is most definitely the best player in the NBA (perhaps ever), but the win is within, and he doesnt have it. Never has, probably never will.

Lebron may have convinced people he has "changed," but this has remained consistently true throughout his career. It shows with his actions and his playoff performances, two major tests of a player's character. Sure there have been outliers, but Bron aint fooling me. So you could blame his 4th quarter struggles on fatigue, maybe you are partially right, but I have seen Lebron play poorly in the 4th quarter of playoffs many times when he isnt as "fatigued," so forgive me for not choosing to buy into this as yet another excuse for him to use.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

lebron 2 rings (took a terrible cavs team past a great pistons team in 07 to the finals)
melo has never been to the finals (technically hasn't won anything since cuse)

 

[Air Pope]

lebron 2 rings (took a terrible cavs team past a great pistons team in 07 to the finals)
melo has never been to the finals (technically hasn't won anything since cuse)

But he didn't win those 2 rings until he had another superstar as well as a star on his team. That 07 trip to the finals was amazing.... Until they got to re finals. We must also add to the fact that Melo played in a stacked West compared to the East that was ok, but never like the West.... Since we're making excuses of course . But I actually like LBJ although it is actually annoying that ppl make so many excuses for a guy who is that great.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

i'm just pointing out the fact that if melo is a winner, then lebron definitely is one too i dont really care either way, just need something to entertain me till the finals and money in the bank start.

 

[the gr8est]

lebron 2 rings (took a terrible cavs team past a great pistons team in 07 to the finals)
melo has never been to the finals (technically hasn't won anything since cuse)

Lebron is the most gifted player in NBA history. He has also left 2 teams stranded in his dust. 2 teams lost the best player in the planet without so much as a phone call before hand, because Lebron is a selfish prick. Melo has been in Denver and New York fighting his *** off to win without ever playing on the right team.

Im not going into a rant about Lebron vs Melo. I am not going into explaining all of the reasons why I believe that Lebron is such a mental ******* ******, while Melo is more of a man than he will ever be.

I believe I have earned the right in this thread to tell you that I can and will go on this rant, because I have gone on it before. But I dont feel the need to spend the next 2 hours or so writing about it so I will refrain.

But there are reasons. Reasons I have shaped these beliefs. Many of the reasons I have explained in here in the past. It is not out of irrational hatred, although I do despise Lebron. But he has brought on 99% of that hatred on himself for being a mental ******* ******.

But if you want to compare their careers from an outside perspective then go right ahead. Even though I have never even attempted to make the case that Melo is a better basketball player than Lebron and/or has had the more successful career. But that is Ok.

I dont feel the need to go any further explaining why Lebron is and always has been a mental ******, so if you cant understand that than whatever.

 

[Air Pope]

i'm just pointing out the fact that if melo is a winner, then lebron definitely is one too i dont really care either way, just need something to entertain me till the finals and money in the bank start.

I feel you, just wanted to add my 2 cents to the debate lol.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

totes i hope the cavs win this series not for lebron but for the city of cleveland that got stabbed in the back in 2010.

 

[hsalem]

**ENTERS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE LOTTERY**

IF LEBRON WINS THIS CHIP HE'S AHEAD OF JORDAN

**EXITS UNTIL DRAFT**

 

[the gr8est]

totes

i hope the cavs win this series not for lebron but for the city of cleveland that got stabbed in the back in 2010.

The city of Cleveland that has proven themselves to be weak as **** for buying into Lebron's magic tricks. 

That is ultimately what it comes down to. Lebron doesnt give a **** about the Cavs, Cleveland, Miami, New York, etc. Lebron will go wherever it is best for Lebron. Never plays for the front of the jersey, only the back. Which is fine, I guess, but spare me the ******* circus act. Just one time. Always with the ******* act, that one. If he wins, its the most important thing in the world. When he loses, well, "It's just basketball man." Zero accountability. Zero authenticity. EVER

That is what I hate about him so much. If you want to go back to Cleveland than go the **** back to Cleveland but spare me the "hometown kid" / "savior" bull ****. Lebron cares about Cleveland no more than JR cared about NY. He is just better and smarter than JR. They are both disloyal mental midgets and both of them have had more playoff failure than success because of this.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

so much vitriol

 

[the gr8est]

so much vitriol

Yupppppppp

 

[Air Pope]

I'm actually rooting for LBJ as well. Him winning w/ the odds stacked against him like they are right now would be amazing.

 

[the gr8est]

The fact that there are Knicks fans out there who say they are rooting for Cleveland and Lebron/JR for the "story" instead of wanting to see someone like David Lee win really makes me question a lot of things.

 

[art vandelay]

The fact that there are Knicks fans out there who say they are rooting for Cleveland and Lebron/JR for the "story" instead of wanting to see someone like David Lee win really makes me question a lot of things.

"It's just basketball".

 

[johnnyredstorm]

david lee doesn't pay my rent

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Melo is a better scorer than LeBron, better low post defender, and mentally tougher.



LeBron is the superior athlete, better "leader", godlike facilitator, better at defending postions 1-3, and has the league, media, commentators, journalist, and refs in his pocket.


They both are equal rebounders


If Melo teamed up with Wade and Bosh I don't see that team losing any finals. LeBron is the sole reason for the 2011 loss because he choked. He had a awesome finals when they beat the spurs but what sticks out to me when I think about that series is Bosh's rebound and Ray Allen's 3.



Call me crazy but I feel outside of 4 or 5 moments his playoff resume is weak compared to the likes of Kobe, MJ, Tim, Shaq, etc. For being the "greatest physical specimen and most talented player of all time" excuse me for expecting more when the lights are the brightest.