2015 NY Knicks offseason thread, Los Almighty appreciation thread

Zinger plays the same position as Melo and would have the same problems on defense. That's why I don't want him. I see him being like a mirotic, but we don't need that. We need a PG or C.
 
What about Porzingis has anything to do with San Antonio teaching us something. Most of their foreign players that matter are clearly mixed with black or are South American (please don't go all stormfront and derail this into a racial debate of why they're basically european, even though i know you have a borderline unhealthy obsession with racial things like this.)

I don't remember a straight up white player who's number one strength was physical tools ever panning out.

We have our highest pick in forever, and no pick next year, there's no reason to gamble with it. Players in the mold of Russell and Mudiay are a proven commodity in this league. And being that the direction of the team is to stick with Melo, will much better compliment him.

And you're my dude in the soccer thread, but you clearly have a smug attitude toward people of certain backgrounds.

I'm just saying a lot of people have xenophobic attitudes towards international players, what the Spurs have done with a multi-cultural roster should be acknowledged. Whether they're from Europe, South America, Africa, whatever - they end up playing in some euro league and are molded by that league.

If Phil drafts Kristaps, I won't be mad. I don't think others should be. It's a gamble, I understand that because no one knows. But the draft is always a gamble sometimes. Would I rather have one of the PG's who could help Melo get into the playoffs or potentially have a dude you can build a team around in 4 years. I'll take the future bet anyday.

Reports are saying that the Sixers are about to take him anyways (even tho they have enough bigs), I think he's going to be good. I don't want to look back 7 years from now (like we've done so much) and say "damn the knicks could of had him"
 
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I'm just saying a lot of people have xenophobic attitudes towards international players, what the Spurs have done with a multi-cultural roster should be acknowledged. Whether they're from Europe, South America, Africa, whatever - they end up playing in some euro league and are molded by that league.

If Phil drafts Kristaps, I won't be mad. I don't think others should be. It's a gamble, I understand that because no one knows. But the draft is always a gamble sometimes. Would I rather have one of the PG's who could help Melo get into the playoffs or potentially have a dude you can build a team around in 4 years. I'll take the future bet anyday.

Reports are saying that the Sixers are about to take him anyways (even tho they have enough bigs), I think he's going to be good. I don't want to look back 7 years from now (like we've done so much) and say "damn the knicks could of had him"
I hate to agree with dude because I dislike 99% of his posts in here but this is more or less my attitude as well.

I'm just ultimately against being a hypocrite. I keep saying that if Phil has any chance of being a successful GM, he needs to tune out the noise and build this team as he sees fit. He has had nothing but success in this league and he is here for a reason. He will continue to have my support until he loses it by proving to be incapable, which he hasn't yet.

This might not sound awesome but it's really all that I got. I'm not running this team, so I'm not gonna be one of the dudes *****ing and moaning about everything that Phil does without seeing his vision come together yet. Only to completely flip the switch if everything falls into place properly and we a start to win.

If I am going to support Phil entrusting the team's future in Melo, then I will support (for now) Phil drafting Zinger (if that is the case), trusting that Phil knows what he is doing and sees him as a potential Gasol to Melo's Kobe. Y'all keep saying they play the same position, but this simply isn't the case.

Zinger is 7'1, athletic, can spread the floor, and protect the rim (which he could still improve on but he is definitely more of a rim protector than someone like Okafor). The fact is that you need 2 forwards, and similar to Lyles, Zinger has potential to be a very capable front court compliment to Melo. This might not be as much of a need as a top flight franchise PG, but a need never the less. If Phil likes Zinger's fit/game at the 4 more than Mudiay's at point, I could see him going this route. He also has serious potential to play the 5 in today's NBA if he bulks up a little bit and improves his shot blocking (latter is more important).

Now don't misconstrue this. Do I WANT the Knicks to draft Zinger? No. If I am GM of the Knicks I am 1000% taking Russell, if not Mudiay's, unless an unbelievable trade opportunity falls along in which I can improve the team and draft WCS or Lyles later on.

But the fact is, I am not the GM. Phil is and he needs to have the space to build this team the best way he sees fit. End of story. It might work in the long run, it might not. But I GUARANTEE that if Phil makes his picks based on who the NY media/fans want instead of trusting himself, it will fail. I can live with riding or dying with Phil the same way I can with Melo, but just like with Melo, we need to give him a shot before we can accurately judge him.

So if it's Zinger then it's Zinger. I will be behind it because I know that both Phil and Zinger would understand all that is at stake. And the fact is, that all y'all dissing him in here, all the media who would relentlessly criticize the selection, all the Booing fans on draft night labeling him a "soft Euro" based on nothing besides his Latvian heritage and ignorance, will quickly transform into his biggest supporters if he really does become the "Latvian KG" (I love that :lol: ).

But I can guarantee you that I will not be amongst those people. I don't know enough about him and I can admit that. I'm not going to bash Phil for drafting a player that he obviously knows and believes in, especially if I know as little about the player as I do. As we all do.

From watching clips and reading interviews, I definitely admit that I am ******* intrigued as hell. To me, he seems to have the skill set and mentality to make it in this league, but I have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future. But me supporting Zinger would be nothing more/less than a leap of faith in The Zen Master.

I also ******* despise generalizing any prospects or labeling them into stereotypes. Any sort of player. Euros, college kids, whatever. They are all so individual and different. 2 prospects who may appear very similar on the outside might be entirely different internally. And most of the time, it is internal drive/makeup that determines a prospect's future success/failure more than anything you read on a scouting report or even anything they say in interviews and ****.

This process is way too unpredictable for that and NOBODY is a "sure thing," as much as we all like to think certain prospects are. There are a **** load of college busts as well that we often overlook more than Euros. It would at least bring a smile to my face to see Phil drafting based on who HE wants. Regardless of what he does. Especially if he takes a ringer on Zinger :smile:lol), understanding how unpopular that will be after our worst season ever.

As long as I am behind Phil, I will be behind him 100%. My trust is his to lose. But he needs to do his thing.
 
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My son Steve "LD" Novak was that guy a couple years ago man
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Gr8est just say you disagree with everything I say about "Melo" :lol:

Because besides that I agree with what you said aswell. There is a reason why Zinger went from late first round pick to potentially going to be drafted at number two by the Lakers. The dude is talented and has an extreme ceiling.

If he's at number 4, I think Phil takes him and I won't be moaning about that at all.
 
^ if hes available i still rather pickup mudiay or russell... this team needs a PG badly and a center would be good also but we can pick 1 up in free agency...when this team got 54 wins it was because of the ball movement and fatboy and kidd helped with that and made melo a better player... this is why he got that 1 mvp vote
 
I think there's 2 directions this franchise could have went

Full blown rebuild

Or build around Melo

Although I still think we should blow it up (hope I'm wrong) we chose the latter, Melo agreed, now can't go halfway on it. Get a PG and don't take a chance on a player who fits the mold of bust.

Also, it seems like teams are just hyping dude in hopes of having another team ahead of them waste a pick on him :lol:
 
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i hope the Knicks hype up zinger so he goes early and gets drafted #3 to Philly and we pickup russell... but if we get mudiay i wont be mad either
 
The Knicks need EVERYTHING.

The main focus being a PG and a C, of course, but we need help everywhere other than a scoring forward which we already have.

Mudiay/Russell both work as we need our PG of the future.

Okafor likely won't be available, but if he were, then you don't pass up on him either. 

WCS makes sense because you draft your defensive anchor for the next decade.

Porzingis is intriguing because he has the talent and skillset to be a stretch forward with a great shot as well as have the size to be a rim protector and block shots, of course not on the level of a WCS or others, but if he pans out he could be an incredibly versatile player.

If we take either PG that's available, I won't be mad. But our window with Melo is pretty short to be honest, and we shouldn't ignore a prospect just because he doesn't fit with Melo perfectly. I know we want to win with Melo while we have him, but this is also a player we want with the team for the next 7+ years, well beyond Carmelo's window/prime.
 
Gr8est just say you disagree with everything I say about "Melo"
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Because besides that I agree with what you said aswell. There is a reason why Zinger went from late first round pick to potentially going to be drafted at number two by the Lakers. The dude is talented and has an extreme ceiling.

If he's at number 4, I think Phil takes him and I won't be moaning about that at all.
Fair enough. But in fairness to me, I think I only see you in here talking **** about Melo. So the 99% might not be innaccurate 
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And just to clarify for the thousandth time. I am 100% TeamPG. I have been preaching for some time now that I think all the **** about a center being our biggest need is a bunch of bull ****. We most definitely need a rim protecting center, but if you look at Melo's track record as well as where the league is heading and see how bad we got once Felton let himself go and then this season with ******* Calderon, finding a franchise (or at the very least a ******* capable) PG should be priority numero uno.

I really hope we wind up with Russell on draft night. He is my favorite prospect in this draft, as I have been preaching for some time now, and I think he fits just about everything we could ask a PG for this particular team to have. He should fit flawlessy with the triangle, with Melo, as a secondary perimeter scorer, as a leader/potential "pass the torch" player, with NYC, just about ******* everything. He would be perfect and I dont think Phil would pass him up. I also really love Mudiay, but I acknowledge that his fit for this team could be a little bit better. But I do think that he is a cant miss talent who the triangle could be adapted for (I think the triangle needs to be adapted to today's game regardless in order for it to succeed in modern NBA), allowing for Mudiay to do what he does best and get the **** out in the open floor. At the end of the day, we end up with either of them and I am ******* thrilled.

I would be lying if I didnt say that Porzingis didnt intrigue me very much, but my point about Zinger is that in addition to TeamPG, I am even more TeamPhil (even though if he does pass up on a franchise PG for Zinger he better have a ******* plan in tact going into the season other than ******* Calderon again). If Phil sees enough out of Zinger to take a flyer on him on draft night, knowing everything that is at ******* stake with this pick, I couldnt be mad about it. It would be hypocritical for me to do that. Just gotta hope and pray that Phil knows what he is doing, because he is here, and that is really all I can ******* do as a fan. But I definitely wont be one of the guys bashing Phil to pieces like I am some sort of ******* expert, because he took a player who he really likes, just because we dont know a ******* thing about him and only use generalizations and stereotypes to evaluate him. And everything that I do know about him, I happen to like a lot.

Thats all I am trying to say. More than anything I just support Phil doing what HE thinks is best to help this team get to the next level. He has been to the top of the mountain many times before and we should let him build the team he wants before we start jumping down his throat, like members of the NY media already ******* do all the time despite them all constantly saying how this thing would not be an "overnight process" when we hired him initially. If Phil is going to succeed than he has to be able to do it his way.

If it is Zinger then its Zinger. Trust the vision. Hope for the best. Move on.
 
We NEED D.Lo or Muddy. When has this team ever not had the "we need a PG badly" stigma ? It's time erase that
 
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Also Happy Father's day fellas. Shout out to onewearz onewearz I hope when I'm your age I still have my youth and enthusiasm like you do brother. I know being a dad, the Yanks, and Knicks are probably your three favorite things in the world and I really hope we can win one before your alzheimers kicks in. Respect to all the dads man
 
Catching up on the last few pages.

Frederic Weiss
MilosVujanic
Nene
Maciej Lampe
Slavko Vranes
Galinari
Kostas Papanikolaou
Thanasis Antetokounmpo

This is why I personally don't want a foreign player. We have a pretty poor track record. Also don't forget Darko had an amazing workout with Detroit, but the draft is a gamble like someone said earlier. :lol:

Oh and we NEED a point guard!!!
 
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