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scumbag wade. she was trying to shoot the ball, not lob it to you :smh:
taking a shot at rio :lol:

 
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If anyone wants to talk ball this article is great.


Quantifying gravity effects of different players. (Basically how the threat of certain players shooting effects the d)

here are some quick charts

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Interesting despite dwayne wade horrible 3 point shooting defenses still respect him on the perimeter.
hit the spoiler for the rest of the article for basketball nerds.

"And I'm just like, 'Damn, did I just start shooting 3s and I didn't know about it?'"

What Wade was describing was the dynamic of a floor-spacer who spreads the defense thin, a characteristic almost exclusively held by 3-point sharpshooters. Ask an NBA coach to name the best floor-spacers in the league and chances are you'll hear names like Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. You do not leave these guys on the perimeter and live to tell about it. In the domain of floor-spacing, shooters rule the day.

Wade, however, is the quirk in the system. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.
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ditor's note: For more information on the concept of gravity, click here.

Dwyane Wade has been great at many things on the basketball court. But one skill has always escaped him: 3-point shooting.

This isn't breaking news to anyone who has followed his tenure in the NBA. Wade is a career 29 percent 3-point shooter, a sorry figure that places him 311th among the 315 players in NBA history who have shot at least 1,000 3-pointers.

But Wade has adjusted. Starting in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 season, Wade kicked the habit for the most part and generally expelled the 3-point shot from his regular jump-shooting diet. In 2013-14, Wade's propensity for shooting (and making) the 3 hit a career nadir; he took only 32 trifectas and made only nine during the entire regular season. Five years ago, he might have stumbled into making nine treys in a single week. Those days are long gone.

But here's the crazy thing about all that: Opposing defenses still glued themselves to Wade off the ball like he's the next Steve Kerr.

This isn't just a theory; there is quantifiable evidence of this phenomenon. According to exclusive STATS LLC data provided to ESPN Insider from cutting-edge SportVU cameras that track the movement of the ball and every player last season, defenses stuck to Wade on the perimeter as if he were an elite 3-point shooter.

The question is, why?

During one of last week's practices, Wade was on the Miami Heat's practice court upstairs at AmericanAirlines Arena. The team has been struggling to find its identity in the wake of LeBron James' sudden departure this summer, and Wade had just wrapped up a long, arduous practice meticulously going over coach Erik Spoelstra's defensive principles. Wade and his teammates are tired, and the general mood feels grim after a string of hard losses.

But in this moment, Wade is laughing. He's giggling because for so long he thought he was going crazy, seeing something on the court that had to be a figment of his imagination. Opposing defenses just won't leave him alone off the ball. To him, this didn't make any sense. He's not a 3-point shooter.

"Lately, I've been seeing everybody start doing this more," Wade said as he turned his back pretending to be a defender gluing himself to a perimeter shooter. "And I'm just like, 'Damn, did I just start shooting 3s and I didn't know about it?'"

To Wade's elation, the data from SportVU cameras corroborated his story. He wasn't seeing things; defenses were really playing him that way.

What Wade was describing was the dynamic of a floor-spacer who spreads the defense thin, a characteristic almost exclusively held by 3-point sharpshooters. Ask an NBA coach to name the best floor-spacers in the league and chances are you'll hear names like Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. You do not leave these guys on the perimeter and live to tell about it. In the domain of floor-spacing, shooters rule the day.

Wade, however, is the quirk in the system. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.

Distraction score takes this one step further and quantifies how much a player's defender is willing to help off him to stop the ball handler. If a lights-out shooter is standing in the corner, his defender will rarely leave him to stop a penetrating point guard. Coaches have noticed this, but SportVU quantifies it, through comprehensive optical tracking and innovative algorithms.

I wanted to examine which players performed strongly in both metrics so I could identify the NBA's true floor-spacers. So I blended the two metrics together to create a composite metric, which I've called "respect rating."

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Flipping through the leaders in respect rating is like glancing at a list of 3-point contest candidates. There's Kevin Durant. Predictably, Korver's name shows up high on the list. So do Curry and Thompson. Ray Allen. J.J. Redick. You name the sharpshooter ... he's there.

But oddly enough, so is Wade. He is the anomaly, the lone floor-spacer who ignores 3s altogether.

Dwyane WadeCourtesy of Tom HaberstrohThe newly created "respect rating" metric.

As illustrated above, Wade converted 0.2 3-pointers every 36 minutes on the court last season, which is remarkably low for someone ranked in the top 25 of respect rating. On average, the other 24 players made far more trifectas than Wade, about 2.2 3s every 36 minutes. Wade was unique in this sense. In fact, no wing player with fewer than 0.5 3-pointers every 36 minutes even cracked the top 100 in respect rating. Tyreke Evans, Shaun Livingston and Tony Allen? All nowhere near the upper echelon.

But then there's Wade.

"I don't think anybody has ever called me that term -- a floor-spacer -- before," Wade says. "But honestly I've always known that I'm a floor-spacer, just in a different way."

So what makes Wade different? Why do defenses treat Wade like he's an elite 3-point shooter even though he's not?

"They're always up on me," Wade says. "I always wonder why."

The answer to this riddle is not simply that Wade scores a lot of points. It's how he gets his points that matters. More specifically, he's a deadly off-ball threat not because he's a 3-point shooter, but because he's a lethal cutter.

The mystery starts to reveal itself when you look at the Synergy numbers. Since losing the 2011 Finals, Wade says he has dedicated himself to cutting off the ball more for easy buckets. Not surprisingly, the data backs this up. According to Synergy's video tracking, Wade has accumulated 497 points on cuts off the ball, which is 100 more points than anyone else in the league over that time.
Dwyane WadeCourtesy of Tom Haberstroh

What's clear is that Wade is indeed a floor-spacer, but he does it by cutting, not shooting.

And SportVU has detected that defenses are programming against it. Through their algorithms, SportVU has found that Wade pulls his defender away from the ball handler. Last season, Wade ranked 21st in the league in respect rating, which, interestingly enough, places him even higher than James. Part of the reason: James is not quite the same cutter off the ball as Wade.

"I think once I became a dynamic cutter, then it became a part of the scouting report," Wade says. "If you turn your head and go help ... boom, I'm cutting backdoor."

On the practice floor, Wade put on an impromptu demonstration all by himself. He acted like a coach, moving around the perimeter and angling himself in different ways to demonstrate how defenses used to guard him compared to how they've guarded him more recently. Before he developed his off-ball cutting game, his defender used to shade off of him on the perimeter, sinking into the paint and keeping a close eye on the ball. "Now," Wade shouted as he slid from the paint to the 3-point arc, "they will guard me like this."

Wade's gravitational pull has gotten so impactful that he began to use it against his opposition.

Wade
AP Photo/Lynne SladkySince the start of the 2011-12 season, Dwyane Wade leads the NBA in points off cutters by a massive margin.

"There have been a lot of times where I tell my teammates, 'Just drive on my side! They're not leaving me!'" Wade said, laughing.

Wade then backtracked a bit.

"Well, it's not like 'Ray Allen not leaving me,'" he says, "but it's my version of not leaving me."

Indeed, Allen placed higher than Wade in respect rating last season. Evidently, Wade's remarkable cutting abilities have not gone unnoticed. Heat.com writer Couper Moorhead has chronicled Wade's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't routine, dubbing it "ghost cuts." Last season, Wade scored 147 points on 97 plays ending in a cut, which translates to a ridiculously good payoff of 1.52 points per play. Only Dwight Howard was more efficient. By comparison, leaving Allen open for a catch-and-shoot play last season -- a defensive cardinal sin -- resulted in a 1.2-point average payoff. Wade's move was more deadly.

Wade stood in the corner and described how he works his magic. He preys on his defender as soon as he drifts away and loses focus.

"It's a feeling, but I'm watching my guy's eyes," Wade said. "I'm looking at the ball and where it's going, because sometimes my job is to run to the top of the key, but if I see he's out of position and he's just looking [toward the ball] ..."

Wade darted to the basket.

"... I'm gone."

But that was then, this is now. Can Wade be effective on cuts without James around anymore?

This is the elephant in the room. James is a passing virtuoso who can see above the defenses like he's observing from an air traffic control tower. Wade was always one pass away, and no player assisted Wade's field goals more than James last season.

It remains to be seen whether teams will be willing to pack the paint more when Wade is off the ball. Why respect his cutting game so much if James isn't around to deliver the pass? It turns out Wade would welcome the extra breathing room.

"That'd be great, fine by me," Wade says. "It'd give me a chance to get my 3 off."

Uh-oh. The career 29 percent 3-point shooter wants to shoot more 3s? Teams may be rooting for that counterpunch.

Wade has indeed taken more 3-pointers this preseason. He's shot 2.7 3-pointers every 36 minutes thus far in five games, which would be his highest rate since 2009-10. He made just 30 percent from deep that season.

"It's funny," he says, "because in the last couple games, I've hit a couple 3s and the guys who are guarding me have looked at me like, 'What?'"

The look typically comes from younger players who only know the James-era Wade.

"Y'all forgot that I did shoot 3s," Wade says. "Last three years I just haven't done it."

And that discipline worked in the Heat's favor. Oftentimes, there were better shots available thanks to James' presence. But now the exchange rate has been disrupted with James gone.

The Heat may have lost James' passing abilities, but they hope that free-agent signee Josh McRoberts can fill some of the void. McRoberts, who has missed the preseason with a toe injury, averaged 4.5 assists per game last season in Charlotte, which marks one of the highest rates in the league among big men. And much of those went to Gerald Henderson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, two players who like to cut off the ball, like Wade.

This introduces an interesting wrinkle for Wade's season, and really the rest of his NBA career. Will he need to start shooting 3-pointers to maintain his gravitational pull as he ages? Or has the attention derived from his cutting game made the 3-pointer irrelevant?

Nonetheless, get ready for more 3-pointers from Wade.

"I'm going to shoot 'em more," Wade says, which sounds a little like a warning than a prediction. "It is what it is."

You have our full attention, Dwyane. Let's see how long it lasts.

now back to your regularly schduled Kobe talk.
 
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Problem is, Dwayne Wade's cutting became a thing when he linked up with Lerbon, is his cutting going to be as impactful when he doesn't have lrbon seeing over the d feeding him?
 
wade gets a heartfelt video for that and kobe doesnt get anything for shooting around with steve nash every day 
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clyde the glide said:
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and i had no idea wade cuts a lot and was a menace off the ball the last few years.  what would i do without advanced stats
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yeah, and I bet you knew that defenses paid the same amount of attnetion to him as elite shooters like Steph Curry and Kyle Korver, it took Dwayne Wade by surprise, but Im sure you always knew how every single team in the league covered him on defense.
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
Problem is, Dwayne Wade's cutting became a thing when he linked up with Lerbon, is his cutting going to be as impactful when he doesn't have lrbon seeing over the d feeding him?
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LBJ helped and forced him to develop that skill but there's a couple important factors going into that:

1. He's going to have the ball in his hands more. His post ups and PnRs should go way up.
2. I don't think it's a skill you lose or anything. He's not going to go back to not moving without the ball.
3. With Bosh and McBoberts facilitating, he should have opportunities to cut and play off the ball.

Obviously, without the worlds best passer and a guy who commands a double team, it's not going to be the same. He'll still get his chances though and do it effectively. I think the volume'll go down since Wade's going to be option 1 or 2 but it'll still be a part of his game.
 
Clyde the glide can also tell you where various teams rank according to pace without looking at stupid "advanced stats." He's one of the sharpest basketball minds there is.
 
Also I'm pretty sure even though Wade's never shot over 32% from 3, he has 2 things going for him. Teams think he can make an open 3 if you give it to him. It's not like Livingston or Tony Allen where you pray that they take the shot. Also, with someone who knows how to get to the rim AND can shoot from midrange, giving him too much space on the perimeter is going to lead to an open 18 footer or he's going to use that space to get to the rim. Wade is a really good midrange shooter and that's mostly off the dribble with guys in his face. Comparing him to non-shooters isn't really fair.
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
yeah, and I bet you knew that defenses paid the same amount of attnetion to him as elite shooters like Steph Curry and Kyle Korver, it took Dwayne Wade by surprise, but Im sure you always knew how every single team in the league covered him on defense.
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yes i did know that being a shooter isn't the only way to be an off ball threat.  i apologize u guys for realizing this on my own, didn't mean to hurt feelings
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
If anyone wants to talk ball this article is great.


Quantifying gravity effects of different players. (Basically how the threat of certain players shooting effects the d)

here are some quick charts

View media item 1228292
Interesting despite dwayne wade horrible 3 point shooting defenses still respect him on the perimeter.
hit the spoiler for the rest of the article for basketball nerds.

"And I'm just like, 'Damn, did I just start shooting 3s and I didn't know about it?'"

What Wade was describing was the dynamic of a floor-spacer who spreads the defense thin, a characteristic almost exclusively held by 3-point sharpshooters. Ask an NBA coach to name the best floor-spacers in the league and chances are you'll hear names like Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. You do not leave these guys on the perimeter and live to tell about it. In the domain of floor-spacing, shooters rule the day.

Wade, however, is the quirk in the system. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.
Click to expand...

ditor's note: For more information on the concept of gravity, click here.

Dwyane Wade has been great at many things on the basketball court. But one skill has always escaped him: 3-point shooting.

This isn't breaking news to anyone who has followed his tenure in the NBA. Wade is a career 29 percent 3-point shooter, a sorry figure that places him 311th among the 315 players in NBA history who have shot at least 1,000 3-pointers.

But Wade has adjusted. Starting in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 season, Wade kicked the habit for the most part and generally expelled the 3-point shot from his regular jump-shooting diet. In 2013-14, Wade's propensity for shooting (and making) the 3 hit a career nadir; he took only 32 trifectas and made only nine during the entire regular season. Five years ago, he might have stumbled into making nine treys in a single week. Those days are long gone.

But here's the crazy thing about all that: Opposing defenses still glued themselves to Wade off the ball like he's the next Steve Kerr.

This isn't just a theory; there is quantifiable evidence of this phenomenon. According to exclusive STATS LLC data provided to ESPN Insider from cutting-edge SportVU cameras that track the movement of the ball and every player last season, defenses stuck to Wade on the perimeter as if he were an elite 3-point shooter.

The question is, why?

During one of last week's practices, Wade was on the Miami Heat's practice court upstairs at AmericanAirlines Arena. The team has been struggling to find its identity in the wake of LeBron James' sudden departure this summer, and Wade had just wrapped up a long, arduous practice meticulously going over coach Erik Spoelstra's defensive principles. Wade and his teammates are tired, and the general mood feels grim after a string of hard losses.

But in this moment, Wade is laughing. He's giggling because for so long he thought he was going crazy, seeing something on the court that had to be a figment of his imagination. Opposing defenses just won't leave him alone off the ball. To him, this didn't make any sense. He's not a 3-point shooter.

"Lately, I've been seeing everybody start doing this more," Wade said as he turned his back pretending to be a defender gluing himself to a perimeter shooter. "And I'm just like, 'Damn, did I just start shooting 3s and I didn't know about it?'"

To Wade's elation, the data from SportVU cameras corroborated his story. He wasn't seeing things; defenses were really playing him that way.

What Wade was describing was the dynamic of a floor-spacer who spreads the defense thin, a characteristic almost exclusively held by 3-point sharpshooters. Ask an NBA coach to name the best floor-spacers in the league and chances are you'll hear names like Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. You do not leave these guys on the perimeter and live to tell about it. In the domain of floor-spacing, shooters rule the day.

Wade, however, is the quirk in the system. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.

Distraction score takes this one step further and quantifies how much a player's defender is willing to help off him to stop the ball handler. If a lights-out shooter is standing in the corner, his defender will rarely leave him to stop a penetrating point guard. Coaches have noticed this, but SportVU quantifies it, through comprehensive optical tracking and innovative algorithms.

I wanted to examine which players performed strongly in both metrics so I could identify the NBA's true floor-spacers. So I blended the two metrics together to create a composite metric, which I've called "respect rating."

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Flipping through the leaders in respect rating is like glancing at a list of 3-point contest candidates. There's Kevin Durant. Predictably, Korver's name shows up high on the list. So do Curry and Thompson. Ray Allen. J.J. Redick. You name the sharpshooter ... he's there.

But oddly enough, so is Wade. He is the anomaly, the lone floor-spacer who ignores 3s altogether.

Dwyane WadeCourtesy of Tom HaberstrohThe newly created "respect rating" metric.

As illustrated above, Wade converted 0.2 3-pointers every 36 minutes on the court last season, which is remarkably low for someone ranked in the top 25 of respect rating. On average, the other 24 players made far more trifectas than Wade, about 2.2 3s every 36 minutes. Wade was unique in this sense. In fact, no wing player with fewer than 0.5 3-pointers every 36 minutes even cracked the top 100 in respect rating. Tyreke Evans, Shaun Livingston and Tony Allen? All nowhere near the upper echelon.

But then there's Wade.

"I don't think anybody has ever called me that term -- a floor-spacer -- before," Wade says. "But honestly I've always known that I'm a floor-spacer, just in a different way."

So what makes Wade different? Why do defenses treat Wade like he's an elite 3-point shooter even though he's not?

"They're always up on me," Wade says. "I always wonder why."

The answer to this riddle is not simply that Wade scores a lot of points. It's how he gets his points that matters. More specifically, he's a deadly off-ball threat not because he's a 3-point shooter, but because he's a lethal cutter.

The mystery starts to reveal itself when you look at the Synergy numbers. Since losing the 2011 Finals, Wade says he has dedicated himself to cutting off the ball more for easy buckets. Not surprisingly, the data backs this up. According to Synergy's video tracking, Wade has accumulated 497 points on cuts off the ball, which is 100 more points than anyone else in the league over that time.
Dwyane WadeCourtesy of Tom Haberstroh

What's clear is that Wade is indeed a floor-spacer, but he does it by cutting, not shooting.

And SportVU has detected that defenses are programming against it. Through their algorithms, SportVU has found that Wade pulls his defender away from the ball handler. Last season, Wade ranked 21st in the league in respect rating, which, interestingly enough, places him even higher than James. Part of the reason: James is not quite the same cutter off the ball as Wade.

"I think once I became a dynamic cutter, then it became a part of the scouting report," Wade says. "If you turn your head and go help ... boom, I'm cutting backdoor."

On the practice floor, Wade put on an impromptu demonstration all by himself. He acted like a coach, moving around the perimeter and angling himself in different ways to demonstrate how defenses used to guard him compared to how they've guarded him more recently. Before he developed his off-ball cutting game, his defender used to shade off of him on the perimeter, sinking into the paint and keeping a close eye on the ball. "Now," Wade shouted as he slid from the paint to the 3-point arc, "they will guard me like this."

Wade's gravitational pull has gotten so impactful that he began to use it against his opposition.

Wade
AP Photo/Lynne SladkySince the start of the 2011-12 season, Dwyane Wade leads the NBA in points off cutters by a massive margin.

"There have been a lot of times where I tell my teammates, 'Just drive on my side! They're not leaving me!'" Wade said, laughing.

Wade then backtracked a bit.

"Well, it's not like 'Ray Allen not leaving me,'" he says, "but it's my version of not leaving me."

Indeed, Allen placed higher than Wade in respect rating last season. Evidently, Wade's remarkable cutting abilities have not gone unnoticed. Heat.com writer Couper Moorhead has chronicled Wade's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't routine, dubbing it "ghost cuts." Last season, Wade scored 147 points on 97 plays ending in a cut, which translates to a ridiculously good payoff of 1.52 points per play. Only Dwight Howard was more efficient. By comparison, leaving Allen open for a catch-and-shoot play last season -- a defensive cardinal sin -- resulted in a 1.2-point average payoff. Wade's move was more deadly.

Wade stood in the corner and described how he works his magic. He preys on his defender as soon as he drifts away and loses focus.

"It's a feeling, but I'm watching my guy's eyes," Wade said. "I'm looking at the ball and where it's going, because sometimes my job is to run to the top of the key, but if I see he's out of position and he's just looking [toward the ball] ..."

Wade darted to the basket.

"... I'm gone."

But that was then, this is now. Can Wade be effective on cuts without James around anymore?

This is the elephant in the room. James is a passing virtuoso who can see above the defenses like he's observing from an air traffic control tower. Wade was always one pass away, and no player assisted Wade's field goals more than James last season.

It remains to be seen whether teams will be willing to pack the paint more when Wade is off the ball. Why respect his cutting game so much if James isn't around to deliver the pass? It turns out Wade would welcome the extra breathing room.

"That'd be great, fine by me," Wade says. "It'd give me a chance to get my 3 off."

Uh-oh. The career 29 percent 3-point shooter wants to shoot more 3s? Teams may be rooting for that counterpunch.

Wade has indeed taken more 3-pointers this preseason. He's shot 2.7 3-pointers every 36 minutes thus far in five games, which would be his highest rate since 2009-10. He made just 30 percent from deep that season.

"It's funny," he says, "because in the last couple games, I've hit a couple 3s and the guys who are guarding me have looked at me like, 'What?'"

The look typically comes from younger players who only know the James-era Wade.

"Y'all forgot that I did shoot 3s," Wade says. "Last three years I just haven't done it."

And that discipline worked in the Heat's favor. Oftentimes, there were better shots available thanks to James' presence. But now the exchange rate has been disrupted with James gone.

The Heat may have lost James' passing abilities, but they hope that free-agent signee Josh McRoberts can fill some of the void. McRoberts, who has missed the preseason with a toe injury, averaged 4.5 assists per game last season in Charlotte, which marks one of the highest rates in the league among big men. And much of those went to Gerald Henderson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, two players who like to cut off the ball, like Wade.

This introduces an interesting wrinkle for Wade's season, and really the rest of his NBA career. Will he need to start shooting 3-pointers to maintain his gravitational pull as he ages? Or has the attention derived from his cutting game made the 3-pointer irrelevant?

Nonetheless, get ready for more 3-pointers from Wade.

"I'm going to shoot 'em more," Wade says, which sounds a little like a warning than a prediction. "It is what it is."

You have our full attention, Dwyane. Let's see how long it lasts.

now back to your regularly schduled Kobe talk.
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Yea, all 5 guys have to pay attention to Bron but instead of spotting up Wade plays to his strengths & cuts. So you can't completely ignore him, & Bron is such a good passer that he frequently delivered the ball to him right at the rim.

That's why they were able to fit even though you typically only want to surround LeBron with dudes who have three point range. Wade came in the league as a point guard & was on the ball his entire career, but he adjusted.

His decreased volume also allowed him to eliminate the threes altogether, combine that with the cuts & good midrange game & you have a 55% FG for Wade.

Unfortunately for Wade, the defense is gonna be paying more attention to him, he lost an excellent passer in Bron, & he'll need to take more shots.

So less buckets on cuts & more shot attempts which will inevitably lead to more three point attempts = lower efficiency compared to last year.

And he still refuses to work on the 3 for whatever reason :lol: he straight up said he didn't spend any time on it in the offseason.

He should still be one of the more efficient high volume guys though, due to his post game, midrange game, & occasional layups/free throws from getting to the line off screens.
 
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JD617 said:
Clyde the glide can also tell you where various teams rank according to pace without looking at stupid "advanced stats." He's one of the sharpest basketball minds there is.
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not sure what your getting at but usually a simple win-loss record can tell u where a team ranks.  if your talking about pre-season rankings i really don't care who is the best at predicting the future.  i enjoy the games more than articles.
 
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clyde the glide said:
yes i did know that being a shooter isn't the only way to be an off ball threat.  i apologize u guys for realizing this on my own, didn't mean to hurt feelings
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no I asked if you knew how every single coach modified his scheme to account for dwayne wade on a given night. obviosuly any idiot can watch dwayne wade cutting and scoring a figure out d-wade=good.

the thing that troglodytes like you can't seem to figure out is numbers help you see EVERY game, it's not reasonable to know how exactly how every player is covered and precisely how each coach has to modify their defensive scheme to account for and how to adequately weight and compare them.

so if you knew that 30 nba defensive schemes paid the same attention to dwade at the 3 point line as the do to Kyle Korver, or Steph Curry well good for you rainman.

Im going to sit here trying to discover and learn new things.
 
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no I asked if you knew how every single coach modified his scheme to account for dwayne wade on a given night. obviosuly any idiot can watch dwayne wade cutting and scoring a figure out d-wade=good.

the thing that troglodytes like you can't seem to figure out is numbers help you see EVERY game, it's not reasonable to know how exactly how every player is covered and precisely how each coach has to modify their defensive scheme to account for and how to adequately weight and compare them.

so if you knew that 30 nba defensive schemes paid the same attention to dwade at the 3 point line as the do to Kyle Korver, or Steph Curry well good for you rainman.

Im going to sit here trying to discover and learn new things.[/quote]
your just putting simple concepts into complicated *** terms.  the bottom line is if I'm guarding wade I'm not giving him any more space than i would one of the shooters you mentioned because i know he is smart off the ball and looking to get open.  
JD617 said:
Pace and win/loss record have nothing to do with each other.
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still don't know what your getting at but usually u can watch a team and figure out if they play a fast or slower pace.  i don't need to know exact rankings thats just extra information that is not of much use.  how would u game plan different for a team ranked 4th in pace than u would a team ranked 7th?
 
your just putting simple concepts into complicated *** terms. the bottom line is if I'm guarding wade I'm not giving him any more space than i would one of the shooters you mentioned because i know he is smart off the ball and looking to get open.
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Why would you press up on wade? You'd leave yourself vulnerable to v cuts for easier looks. Just sag off him, and keep your eyes on him. No sense pressing up on a poor shooter/above average driver
 
clyde the glide said:
your just putting simple concepts into complicated *** terms.  the bottom line is if I'm guarding wade I'm not giving him any more space than i would one of the shooters you mentioned because i know he is smart off the ball and looking to get open.  
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? Or you can do what Pop did & fall back but keep your eye on him.
 
Phuzzy Badpheet said:
I tried to read this, but I think you are saying that it is a psychological disorder?

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More like personality. It was no secret that Kobe was a clean guy who did his own. Never hung with the rest, never let others into his brain. He had that wall up, had obsession as a defense, which paid obvious dividends, but he is anti, he lives in his own world where he thinks he is gospel. But it is obvious that his tirade and Jesus water talk about how the Lakers are contenders is just silly. The arrogant talk aint even wrapped in diplomacy or recourse, its straight major payne talk.

This is what seperates his charisma from others.
 
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