Career decision - On the road again..

BeezyGotSole said:
Yeah you gotta play the game. A lot of people don't negotiate at all and are making much less than they should be. I'm not accepting an offer without negotiating period, unless its just that good of an offer.
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It goes both ways, man. Unless your job is so niche that you are the only candidate or they approach you on their own, trust that they have options B and C handy. I worked closely with HR at my former place and got to pick their brains. If you get too picky or want too much, they'll just retract their offer and move onto B and C. I usually try to be up front when I interview to cut to the chase. They always ask about your current salary and what you want to make. If you don't feel comfortable discussing your current salary with them, that's a valid reason too. You can just say I'm not too comfortable discussing my current salary, but I know I want to make between $x - y. If they ask you how you come up with this range, you better be able to back it up though. This is why I stay on top of the current market.

Also, never lie about your salary. I have friends who 'bump' or 'round' up their salary by a lot with hope that the initial offer will be higher. Any employer can use services from places like The Work Number to get your salary from the last 1+ year. I did it all the time.
 
@wj4, it just takes discipline. You may goof off for an hour or two, just know you still gotta get the job done.
 
wj4 said:
It goes both ways, man. Unless your job is so niche that you are the only candidate or they approach you on their own, trust that they have options B and C handy. I worked closely with HR at my former place and got to pick their brains. If you get too picky or want too much, they'll just retract their offer and move onto B and C. I usually try to be up front when I interview to cut to the chase. They always ask about your current salary and what you want to make. If you don't feel comfortable discussing your current salary with them, that's a valid reason too. You can just say I'm not too comfortable discussing my current salary, but I know I want to make between $x - y. If they ask you how you come up with this range, you better be able to back it up though. This is why I stay on top of the current market.

Also, never lie about your salary. I have friends who 'bump' or 'round' up their salary by a lot with hope that the initial offer will be higher. Any employer can use services from places like The Work Number to get your salary from the last 1+ year. I did it all the time.
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I've never had issues with the employer retracting their offer, because I negotiated. I am also a recent grad in the software engineering field, I negotiated 3 times and was successful every time. Didn't have to lie about the salaries of other offers either.

I still say negotiate, thats what I have always been told to do when receiving an offer.
 
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You all have provided some good knowledge.. stuff I should have already executed.  Things just happened so fast, they gave me the offer today, gave me a start date and said congrats.. and the whole time, im like wait.. what?

   I'm going to negotiate further.  If it doesnt work out, wasnt to be.
 
BeezyGotSole said:
I've never had issues with the employer retracting their offer, because I negotiated. I am also a recent grad in the software engineering field, I negotiated 3 times and was successful every time. Didn't have to lie about the salaries of other offers either.

I still say negotiate, thats what I have always been told to do when receiving an offer.
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3 times, wow. I usually just dead it after 2 at max, especially for entry level jobs. Again, nothing wrong with negotiation. If they give you $55k, and you want $60k...perfectly fine. If they give you $55k, and you want $85k....probably quite a reach and shows you're greedy. I've countered all of my offers but one...that one, they offered a ~25% increase, which was what I wanted in my head initially, more or less.

AntBanks81 said:
@wj4, it just takes discipline. You may goof off for an hour or two, just know you still gotta get the job done.
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I don't think it has anything to do with discipline so much as your preference. I personally don't like being at home while the sun is out. Even on weekends, I'll go to Starbucks at 7-8AM when I wake up to get breakfast and read /do light work for several hours...something I could've done at home too. I understand deadlines are deadlines. That's why professional jobs are salary :lol: It would be too $$ if you get paid by the hour.

I worked on a project to reduce the company's pollution/carbon footprint by allowing all employees who talk/key all day to work from home. They jumped for joy, but half of them returned within months saying it was boring working from home.
 
wj4 said:
3 times, wow. I usually just dead it after 2 at max, especially for entry level jobs. Again, nothing wrong with negotiation. If they give you $55k, and you want $60k...perfectly fine. If they give you $55k, and you want $85k....probably quite a reach and shows you're greedy. I've countered all of my offers but one...that one, they offered a ~25% increase, which was what I wanted in my head initially, more or less.
 
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I negotiated with 3 different companies, not with one 3 times thats overkill lol.
 
Great info in here. Where are some good places to get current market info? I usually use glassdoor
 
friscostylez said:
Can you someone post an example of how a negotiation process/convo would go down?
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It's pretty basic. You may get an email with an offer letter. You can sign and accept or rebuttal with a reply or a call. Again, you need to explain your rebuttal here. They will reply saying ok (rare), meet you halfway or say we can't accommodate that.

From my first job several years ago:
I called the recruiter. Told her I got the offer letter and I'm grateful for the opportunity especially in this job market. However, my friends in similar positions are making around this range. I want to see if you can work with that.

Something to that effect

BeezyGotSole said:
I negotiated with 3 different companies, not with one 3 times thats overkill lol.
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This is more reasonable. Nothing wrong with keeping your options open at all, my man.
 
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JewelKnows said:
Great info in here. Where are some good places to get current market info? I usually use glassdoor
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That's good too. But it doesn't account for where you live, ie relocation to NYC may pay 15% more to account for cost of living. That can skew your average.

I still keep in touch with friends from college in the field as well as stay active in professional groups in my field. I touch base with to stay in the loop and they do the same.
 
Glassdoor does account for where you live, you can filter salaries and reviews by state/metro areas.
 
wj4 said:
I don't think it has anything to do with discipline so much as your preference. I personally don't like being at home while the sun is out. Even on weekends, I'll go to Starbucks at 7-8AM when I wake up to get breakfast and read /do light work for several hours...something I could've done at home too. I understand deadlines are deadlines. That's why professional jobs are salary :lol: It would be too $$ if you get paid by the hour.

I worked on a project to reduce the company's pollution/carbon footprint by allowing all employees who talk/key all day to work from home. They jumped for joy, but half of them returned within months saying it was boring working from home.
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I agree that preference makes the biggest difference. I just enjoy my freedom too much to be stuck in the office all day. I don't like being told when to come in, when to eat and when to leave. That is primarily why I chose to go into business for myself. Oddly enough, I LOVE BEING IN THE OFFICE NOW. That's mostly because I determine when I come and go, plus I can print what I need versus having to be monitor my usage at home office.
 
working remotely all the time sucks soo bad...i did it for 2 months while the offices were getting renovated....

it was nice for like 2 weeks, but afterwards i was loosing my mind...my office is in a walkable location and if i want a break ill go walk around or run some errands near by...couldnt do that at home without hopping in the car

i still work remotely but only 2 days a week now
 
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working remotely all the time sucks soo bad...i did it for 2 months while the offices were getting renovated....

it was nice for like 2 weeks, but afterwards i was loosing my mind...my office is in a walkable location and if i want a break ill go walk around or run some errands near by...couldnt do that at home without hopping in the car

i still work remotely but only 2 days a week now
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I think living in the city is a huge difference-maker.  If I lived in the suburbs, I would probably want to shoot myself. But afterwork, right outside of my door is the world.
 
Sent over my request. It was surprisingly well-received and is under consideration.

Thanks to those who inspired to pursue this route, and for all of the input provided here.  If interested, I can post an example of what i sent over, for those who may find themselves in similar situations moving forward.
 
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after your original post i was gonna say stay, i can tell that you like where you're at and comfortable

but you should probably take the new job. Think of it as networking and meeting new people, growing your personal skills, and showing that you are constantly trying to improve yourself
 
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