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I believe @jpzx asked me to research Stafford record vs winning teams on the road and how NO quarterback as highly regarded him would play that bad and he has a losing record for a reason.


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2009:
NO 43%, 205 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 27 rating(first pro game)
GB DNP
MIN57%, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 74 rating
CIN42%, 143 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 41 rating
BAL DNP

2010:
CHI 73%, 83 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 86 rating (injured early in game)
GB: DNP
NY: DNP
TB: DNP

2011:
NO: 70%, 408 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 97 rating
GB: 61%, 520 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT, 103 rating
NO: 65.1% 380, 3TD,, 2 INT, 97.0


2012:
SF: 59% 230 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 78 rating
CHI:60% 263 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 74 rating
MIN:66% 329 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 104 rating
GB: 60% 264 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 74 rating

2013:
AZ: 66%, 278 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 108 rating
PHI:40%, 151 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 60 rating
GB: 62%, 262 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 89 rating

2014:
AZ: 60%, 183 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 63 rating
NE: 39%, 264 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 49 rating
GB: 48%, 217 yards, 3 TDs,0 INT, 89 rating
DAL: 66.7 323 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT 87.7 rating

2015:
MIN: 60.4%, 286 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 79.6 rating


If we were to go ahead and do a rough average of how Stafford plays on the road vs winners?

RAW TOTALS: 5013 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs,
AVG TOTAL: 58.3%, 251 yards, 1.3 TDs, 0.9 INT per game, 76 rating

Couple notes: Right off the bat. If you said Stafford is 0fer on the road vs winners, your point is already useless. Thanks for playing, try again! Because as you see, Stafford didn't even freaking PLAY vs 5 of those winners.

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Next...vs winners on the road...he actually isn't....gasp...terrible.

For instance.

How does the beloved Andrew Luck play on the road vs winners? Ready? Ready? Ready????

2012:

Bears (10-6) LOSS
Patriots (12-4) LOSS
Texans (12-4) LOSS
Ravens (10-6) LOSS

2013:

SF (12-4) WIN
SD (9-7) LOSS
AZ (10-6) LOSS
CIN (11-5) LOSS
KC (11-5) WIN
NE (12-4) LOSS


2014:
Broncos (12-4) LOSS
Texans (9-7) WIN
Steelers (11-5) LOSS
Cowboys (12-4) LOSS
Broncos (12-4) WIN
Patriots (12-4) LOSS

UH OH! Andrew the Amazing is...gasp...4-12 vs winners on the road.

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But, Im sure he's been just amazing in those games, right?

Pump the breaks there, slick....

CHI: 51.1% 309 1TD 3INT 52.9 rating
NE: 54.0 334 2TD 3INT 63.2
HOU: 48.1% 186 yard 2TD 0INT 95.6 rating
BAL: 51.9% 288yards 0TD 1INT 59.8 rating
SF: 65.4% 159 yards 0TD 0INT 82.1 rating
SD: 60.0% 202 yards 0TD 1INT 66.2 rating
AZ: 51.3% 163 yards 1TD 1INT 60.1 rating
CIN: 63.0% 326 yards 4TD 0 INT 113.1 rating
KC: 70.3% 241 yards 1TD 0 INT 96.8 rating
NE: 48.8% 331 yards 2TD 4 INT 53.0 rating
DEN: 66.0% 370 yards 2TD 2 INT 83.1 rating
HOU: 56.8% 370 yards 3TD 1 INT 97.7 rating
PIT: 57.8% 400 yards 3TD 2 INT 91.0 rating
DAL: 68.2% 109 yards 0TD 2 INT 41.7 rating
DEN: 62.8% 265 yards 2TD 2 INT 76.2 rating
NE: 36.4% 126 yards 0TD 2 INT 23.0 rating

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RAW TOTALS: 4179 yards, 23 TDs, 24 INTs,
AVG TOTALS: 56.9 completion %, 261 yds, 1.4 TDs, 1.5 INT, 68,8 rating

Wow, right? Andrew Luck, who you swear up and down is better than Stafford and who himself can "WIN on the road vs WINNERS" is statistically WORSE in every way than Matthew Stafford on the road vs winners.

Wow, again. Huh?

Does this mean that, perhaps, just perhaps....Stafford could NOT be the only reason we lose on the road and maybe we should, out of common sense and factual information, retire the silly "he can't beat a winner on the road" portion of this thing?

Even a QB many of you feel is great is absolutely "awful" (based on Stafford's standards) when looked at compared to Stafford on the road. Yet, because his TEAM won 4 games....HE gets a pass.

Do you now see how silly this whole suggestion of him being the reason we lose on the road is?

I know, this will take a few to set in. But....what this says is...Either you're wrong about Andrew Luck and he too absolutely SUCKS on the road vs winners and has been VERY lucky to win a game vs any winner, seeing Stafford has BETTER stats and has not done that.

OR...and I think this is correct....Matthew Stafford who has "never beat a winner on the road" is being held to a totally ludicrous standard here.....

Before wrapping this up, and I hope it was useful, I will add a disclaimer: Andrew Luck has played 52 career games. 16 have been against winning teams on the road. That means that 30% of his games, a very very small fraction, use this specific and linear metric you guys are trying to use against Stafford. In his case, Stafford has seen winners on the road in only 26% of his games.....

This isn't to target a specific poster, rather to point out....perhaps beating road winners is very, very difficult in this league. That's why they are, you know, winning teams and stuff. Hey, folks are going to think what they want, but I think this is damning to those who want to piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Stafford HAS played well enough to win on the road in several games, the team has failed him. So, again.....using a linear stat that you hear on Valenti and Foster may not be the best way to go about this whole discussion.

Don't get me wrong here: Critically assessing Stafford is crucial at this point for us as fans. As we need to decide about the future of the position and team, quickly. BUT, lets keep it to things he HIMSELF controls. A TEAM LOSS is not one of them. As a TEAM win isn't.

In a few games: I will go into his stats vs losers and see how he plays in them. My GUESS is he's about the same vs everybody, but he may surprise me. You never know.
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I'll do an avy bet. My wedding is next month, so I'm broke as hell right now. laugh.gif

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Not just on the road @SneakerPro but that's still interesting man, thanks for posting. pimp.gif

The Vikings are better than the Lions as we know, and this year's team would maximize their talent for this season at-hand by sneaking into the playoffs - if everything goes right - which means grabbing wins now before grabbing losses later, in all likelihood.

Minnesota's 3-2 right now, and their next four weeks are like this:

Oct 25: Away vs. Detroit
Nov. 1: Away vs. Chicago (where MIN hasn't won since 2007, AP's rookie season)
Nov. 8: Home vs. St. Louis
Nov. 15: Away vs. Oakland

After?

Nov. 22: Home vs. Green Bay
Nov. 29: Away vs. Atlanta
Dec. 6: Home vs. Seahawks
Dec. 10: Away vs. Arizona

The game this weekend worries me even if the team is self-aware in itself that it has to do well in the next four games to secure at least a bid of making the playoffs:

- The Vikings don't have Shariff Floyd, and Minnesota was able to rock Stafford's life in Week 2 because of the edge rushers but ALSO the push from the middle of the line. Floyd's broken out this season, and his inability to be out there this Sunday will hurt.

- The refs will be eyeing Xavier Rhodes, who I've said many times is a penalty hoarder and when somebody finally calls attention to it like the Lions have, I'm worried about what could happen.

We'll see...
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Offense needs to start scoring in the damn redzone. Teddy needs to push himself into the next level too.
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Cool.
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Source close to #Vikings running back Adrian Peterson expects him to play Sunday at Detroit. Listed as questionable because of illness.

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I'm told Adrian Peterson is still likely to play tomorrow despite the illness. That's assuming things don't take a turn for the worse.

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Those who know Adrian Peterson well have little doubt he'll play tomorrow. "Adrian is Adrian," one person close to him said.

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Also, I'm told Stefon Diggs will get the start at receiver tomorrow for the #Vikings.
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Need to win tomorrow and these next few games before the tough part of the schedule heads our way. Teddy/Diggs look really good right now, I hope they can keep up their chemistry against a struggling Detroit secondary. AP needs to find some space, the OL being pretty much the walking dead is not helping his cause.
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I still think Teddy needs to elevate his play. He's still getting a pass nationally, but it won't last long if he doesn't start putting this team in the endzone. Too many redzone stalls already.
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Bridgewater definitely needs to show us something this week and in the upcoming slate of games. Plenty of easy pass defenses in there, but where I really would like to see him play well today is in the first quarter - where he's been at his worst this season.

1st: Just a 59% completion percentage, 1 TD, 2 INT.

Good news is as the game goes on he gets better. 2nd - 60.0% 3rd - 69.2% 4th - 72.2% (without his Y/A going down).
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Stall!!!

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Diggs is such a goooooon
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Kendricks is an animal out there! nthat.gif
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I think we have negative yards on offensive in the 2nd half.
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Fire every offensive coach NOW! sick.gif
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Don't know that I've felt more emotionally detached from this team than right now. I can't even get upset.
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Don't know that I've felt more emotionally detached from this team than right now. I can't even get upset.

I have to bet on them for kicks
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post #651 of 902
Somebody needs to be fired

I have no idea what to think about Stafford at this point but he probably won't make it through the year anyways with all these hits he's taking
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Vikings fans

Paypal bets?

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I'm in.

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I change my mind...

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The #Lions are firing OC Joe Lombardi, source says. They are also firing their OL coaches
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@ttwentyman: The #Lions have fired OC Joe Lombardi, OL coach Jeremiah Washburn and OL assistant Terry Heffernan. TE coach Ron Prince takes over the OL. Devin Fitzsimmons takes over TEs.

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@AdamSchefter: Lions new offensive coordinator is the team's QB coach Jim Bob Cooter.

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@ttwentyman: Caldwell is about to speak and the expectation is for Stafford and Manny Ramirez to also talk. After that not sure on availability.

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@davebirkett: Add assistant OL coach Terry Heffernan as the third Lions assistant fired by the team today.

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Caldwell should be out the door right along with them
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Caldwell was probably told to make a change or he would be gone as well.

I agree he should have been fired to. Either way at the end of the year he will be gone, thankfully
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Sully might not return this year :{:{

 

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John Sullivan had a relapse in the weight room about 10 days ago, Mike Zimmer said. Had another surgery; Vikings don't know if he'll return.

 

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Losing Sully for the season really hurts, especially we missing Loadholt already. This incoming draft. we need to get Lineman
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Between John Sullivan and Shariff Floyd it's been an awful couple of days for Vikings injury updates.

Season is well capped at a Wild Card one-and-done at best if this is the best version of an offensive line we'll see the rest of the year. That's not factoring in any injuries that could occur from now until the end of the year obviously too.
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