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I'd stay away from him. Seems like the Knicks and Mavs love him
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I'd stay away from him. Seems like the Knicks and Mavs love him
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Numbers in overseas play aint really important to scouts, foreign players evaluated a lil differently ..they look at age, size, athleticism and if they have skills/can develop skills in a couple years
Any foreign prospects that's putting up numbers is just icing on the cake
Any foreign prospects that's putting up numbers is just icing on the cake
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Yeah, its more of an eye test with foreign prospects. I think Frank could develop into a solid role/defensive player in NBA, but I just don't see him as a future all star type
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Yea i feel u, I dont think too many people seen him as an all star type tho...never really heard bout his star potential, just that he got some intriguing size n skills combo
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It's def a concern but it also seems like more of a philosophical thing. 3s, layups or FTs only. You really have to work hard as a guard to take basically no mid range shots.
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Or you just have to play off ball and get assisted a lot
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playmakers...more like guys who can initiate the offense
randle, d'lo, and BI...i guess even JC
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Not really a fan of Frank but for a pg he's the most realistic pick for the Knicks. But if monk or Smith Jr falls then would rather pick one of them up over Frank
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Dennis Smith should be there. That's who I'd be asking for if I was a Knicks fan.
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I'd like Smith in NYC if they won't force the triangle on him. If not...ehh
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Not sold on Frank at all, Dennis Smith SHOULD be available and SHOULD be drafted by the Knicks.
Somehow, I think Porzingis proving doubters wrong will push Phil to draft Frank.
Somehow, I think Porzingis proving doubters wrong will push Phil to draft Frank.
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It's always like that. You get lucky with 1 European being drafted in the lottery then every other one that follows him will be over hyped.
Look what happened to Bender. Kid is gonna be outta the league in 3 years.
Look what happened to Bender. Kid is gonna be outta the league in 3 years.
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Is that different from any other type of prospect?
You can swap out "European" with one and done, sophomore, junior, senior....any label you want to give a prospect and that statement wouldn't change.
The draft period is a crapshoot. There's no definite outcome with a specific type of prospect.
You can swap out "European" with one and done, sophomore, junior, senior....any label you want to give a prospect and that statement wouldn't change.
The draft period is a crapshoot. There's no definite outcome with a specific type of prospect.
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The Dragan showed some life when giving the playing time. Worth the #4 pick? Only time will tell.
I think he sticks around the league for some time.
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Yea but there's less euros so it stands out more
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What happened with Dragan? He just got injured and missed most of the season?
Watched the Suns like once last year.
Watched the Suns like once last year.
People have a lot of pre-conceived biases they look to justify with foreign players.
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Yeah, it's actually completely different. Style of play is different overseas, players are taught different skill sets. A lot of the 1 and done players in the US are groomed through AAU and never really face great competition because they're all on the same team. Also, don't forget these Euro kids are playing professionals at high school ages lol.
Plus, you don't really get to use the "eye test" seeing how you're mostly seeing just highlights of these European kids.
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Look at Lonzo, for example, he's been dominating at an early age and dominated through HS with his brothers. Found success at UCLA for one year, now going into the pros.
Some of the Euro players are more seasoned.
Side note: I find it funny that parents and the players never look to really fine tune their basic skills and always rely on what got them to where they're at.
I know the story of trying to change Lonzo's shot, but that should have been worked on WELL before going to UCLA.
Julius Randle should have been working on a right hand since high school.
Etc.
Some of the Euro players are more seasoned.
Side note: I find it funny that parents and the players never look to really fine tune their basic skills and always rely on what got them to where they're at.
I know the story of trying to change Lonzo's shot, but that should have been worked on WELL before going to UCLA.
Julius Randle should have been working on a right hand since high school.
Etc.
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Exactly. If the fact that a prospect plays in europe is even a condition in how you evaluate them...you're showing a clear bias and stereotyping.
The guys who treat euro prospects as if they're some sort of special case are no different than the "one and dones are bad for the NBA" crowd.
The guys who treat euro prospects as if they're some sort of special case are no different than the "one and dones are bad for the NBA" crowd.
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I agree, it's all a crap shoot to an extent.
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Meaning, ultimately it comes down to your scouting department and player development whether its euros, one and dones, or hs prospects.
The best teams like the Spurs consistently turn "risky" prospects successful because they invest in those areas. Some of the worst GMs are either just guessing or like MJ take the prospect they feel is safest every time because they know the most about them and don't have the right tools to look deeper.
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I completely disagree. Zero bias for Europeans here, but if all these European prospects play "against men" and against much better competition then there should be a whole lot less European busts since they are so much more "seasoned."
I strongly believe that the European game in certain leagues is much tougher than D1 competition, but it's really a case by case basis.
There's probably a bit under 10 Europeans drafted per draft. 99% of the time no more than 1-2 stick in the league. I would have to be completely wowed by a European prospect to even consider drafting him in the lottery.
I strongly believe that the European game in certain leagues is much tougher than D1 competition, but it's really a case by case basis.
There's probably a bit under 10 Europeans drafted per draft. 99% of the time no more than 1-2 stick in the league. I would have to be completely wowed by a European prospect to even consider drafting him in the lottery.
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NBA is a LOT faster than D1 competition which is a lot faster than Euroleague play.
I think that's why a lot of European players have a hard time adjusting.
