How a single mother survives on $7.50/hr

Rexanglorum said:
Forget about football or baseball, our real national past time is second guessing poor people. Men and women, black and white, conservative and liberal, rich and lower middle class alike are all united in their love of blurting out a neat and tidy solution when ever they hear the agonizing details from the life of a poor person.

Why is so difficult to acknowledge that being poor is not only painful, it is very difficult to escape being poor? The latest manifestation of this trend is the ritual excoriating of a poor person for having any electronic device that was made after 1985. Right after heat and lights, access to phone and internet are now basic utilities. You need them to get a job and to keep a job. Some will say "she could save a few bucks by downgrading to a flip phone." That may be true but she would have no TV, no internet, no entertainment at all. I suppose poor people deserve lives of tedium and isolation along with the hunger, pain and humiliating that they experience now. This women should come straight home from work and sit in prayer and penance and beg forgiveness from our almighty God, laissez-faire capitalism. For she has failed our God and she and her children must suffer for her sin of not having wealthy parents and therefore no college degree, trust fund and downtown internships that could have led the way to a lucrative and steady white collar career.

I also wonder; if she downgrades to a flip phone and saves $30 or $40, what could she do with that money that would help here get out of poverty? This, of course, assumes that her on demand employer does not require her to have an app or email account in order to send her her ever changing work schedule. She could save for a few years and take one community college class and she might have an associates degree in computer science (ah computers, the neoliberal panacea for poverty although woe betide the poor person who actually owns a computer) by 2085. She could invest in a junk bonds or risky stocks and maybe make a cool $20 playing the market. This, of course assumes, she does not get a "walking while black" ticket and has to pay a few hundred bucks in municipal fines. What would you do with $300 bucks per year that would get you our of this sort of deep and dire poverty?

I expect this kind of ignorance and stupidity from white conservatives but I am amazed that an online community that is generally liberal and multicultural, would he just as bad as the Republican soccer moms in the suburbs. Americans say that we live a judeo-christian society but the truth is that when it comes to poor people, we are more like a superstitious, neolithic tribe. We have this atavistic belief that tormenting poor people will some how banish the evil spirits of poverty and want from our own lives. It is sad and it shows me why we are very unlikely to ever make meaningful strides toward economic justice.
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Dathbgboy said:
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They preach about turning the job into a rewarding career and that used to happen.

People keep saying that people working at places like McD's have no skills. By that assumption, people don't learn anything while working there. If you learn something that enables you to efficiently perform a duty, that's a skill.

Also, the cost of living in Pennsylvania isn't pretty. Sure it's not NY or LA/SF but it's expensive in this Commonwealth, with no jobs really coming in and Philly is one of most expensive cities in PA.

Obviously, the girl made a mistake by having a child out of wedlock to a lame dude but how long is she supposed to pay for it? How long does she have to work somewhere until they value what she brings and shows it in a promotion and her paycheck?
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Because "here at McDonalds, we pay you minimum wage, cut your hours, micromanage your every minute, have you deal with some of the worst customers and never give you a raise unless in the slight chance of a promotion where you'll go from minimum wage to min wage + 3$ and that will be about as far you'll go" will sound great in their Jobs opportunity site :lol:

We gotta be a little more realistic, truth is it doesn't take a genius to flip burgers, fry some French fries, make a milkshake, run a register, mop some floors, these are jobs with minimal training and at most a Jr. High education...even if they up the pay from minimum wage, what would you guys consider fair?...whatever that number is, it still won't be sufficient, specially for a single mother with an encarcerated Baby Daddy....so let's not point fingers at the bigoted company that underplays its employees, because while they should increase the pay all around, they really are not responsible for this girls mistakes....every action has a reaction, her story is sad, but rest assure she's living like a queen here in America based on her situation, place her with the same circumstances practically anywhere in the world and she would be living under a bridge.

I'm not saying I don't feel for her because I do, she's 22 just starting life and she has tough road ahead, I suggest she fights for more assistance, because if there is something America does, is try to help the lower class...appeal for more assistance and enroll in a community college ASAP....crying about McDonalds not paying her enough isn't gonna do anything....legally McDonalds is not gonna be cornered to change its ethics or pay rate...she has a better shot appealing to her social worker and with proof demanding more assistance.
 
There's a lot of jobs that doesn't take a genius, they get paid more though. So why are they getting belittled?

I don't think throwing some trash in a truck takes a genius but that's one of the best jobs to get in the city right now
 
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My mother has one and she was able to get my grandma one....they are practically giving phones away...no fancy smart phones, but a phone nonetheless
 
heLiumcLinton said:
There's a lot of jobs that doesn't take a genius, they get paid more though. So why are they getting belittled?

I don't think throwing some trash in a truck takes a genius but that's one of the best jobs to get in the city right now
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I believe is also one of the most dangerous....and what exactly is stopping her from applying to a sanitation job?...you guys are acting as though McDonalds is her only option....she's a young strong woman....she's underselling herself.

And once again, are you guys saying she should be getting paid close to 20$ an hour at McDonalds?...would this be a fair number? :nerd: curious...what would a fair wage for their labor be?
 
heLiumcLinton said:
There's a lot of jobs that doesn't take a genius, they get paid more though. So why are they getting belittled?

I don't think throwing some trash in a truck takes a genius but that's one of the best jobs to get in the city right now
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Funny thing is, once u said that there are other jobs that don't take a genius to do but get paid more, a sanitation worker was the first thing to come to mind. The argument about not needing a lot of skill can be applied to a lot more jobs that give more pay. It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to learn how to answer phones, copy papers, sit at a desk all day but secretaries still get paid more than your avg fast food employee.

ksteezy said:
heLiumcLinton said:
There's a lot of jobs that doesn't take a genius, they get paid more though. So why are they getting belittled?

I don't think throwing some trash in a truck takes a genius but that's one of the best jobs to get in the city right now
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I believe is also one of the most dangerous....and what exactly is stopping her from applying to a sanitation job?...you guys are acting as though McDonalds is her only option....she's a young strong woman....she's underselling herself.

And once again, are you guys saying she should be getting paid close to 20$ an hour at McDonalds?...would this be a fair number? :nerd: curious...what would a fair wage for their labor be?
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C'mon Steezy, you doing a lil too much bro. One of the things that's stopping her from getting a sanitation gig could be the fact that there are really no jobs open in that field. They get paid good money and don't work as hard, who'd leave that. Even city/state/fed jobs, really require no real skill or effort and the jobs are all sewn up because the pay is decent.

I believe that minimum wage should be flexible to reflect cost of living in ones area. $20/hr would be good for somewhere like NY because it cost like $4000 for an efficiency :lol: but somewhere like Philly, $10/hr would suffice.
 
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ksteezy said:
heLiumcLinton said:
There's a lot of jobs that doesn't take a genius, they get paid more though. So why are they getting belittled?

I don't think throwing some trash in a truck takes a genius but that's one of the best jobs to get in the city right now
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I believe is also one of the most dangerous....and what exactly is stopping her from applying to a sanitation job?...you guys are acting as though McDonalds is her only option....she's a young strong woman....she's underselling herself.

And once again, are you guys saying she should be getting paid close to 20$ an hour at McDonalds?...would this be a fair number? :nerd: curious...what would a fair wage for their labor be?
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I'm not even talking about labor because I'm certain standing on your feet for 8 hours is more laborious than a lot of well paying jobs. All I'm saying is paying someone 15K yearly when rent is 12K yearly is horrible and suggesting they ask for more government assistance and making US (the people pay) instead of making corporations pay people a livable wage is even more horrible.
 
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Dathbgboy said:
Funny thing is, once u said that there are other jobs that don't take a genius to do but get paid more, a sanitation worker was the first thing to come to mind. The argument about not needing a lot of skill can be applied to a lot more jobs that give more pay. It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to learn how to answer phones, copy papers, sit at a desk all day but secretaries still get paid more than your avg fast food employee.
C'mon Steezy, you doing a lil too much bro. One of the things that's stopping her from getting a sanitation gig could be the fact that there are really no jobs open in that field. They get paid good money and don't work as hard, who'd leave that. Even city/state/fed jobs, really require no real skill or effort and the jobs are all sewn up because the pay is decent.

I believe that minimum wage should be flexible to reflect cost of living in ones area. $20/hr would be good for somewhere like NY because it cost like $4000 for an efficiency :lol: but somewhere like Philly, $10/hr would suffice.
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But if you paying a fast food employee 20$ an hour to reflect cost of living, why is someone with a masters in some fields barely breakin 30$ an hour?.....I think is more fair to say, secretaries are overpaid for their labor...which some jobs are, offering someone without even a high school diploma in some cases 20$ an hour don't seem a little nuts to ya?...lol I can only imagine the chaos of other laborers in other jobs that require some higher level of education demanding more for their labor since now McDonalds is paying 20$ an hour....strikes Everywhere :lol:

You guys gotta be realistic man...and is crazy how is easier to assume every other job that pays more in the planet is tied up, than to assume maybe she hasn't tried...what skill set can she put in her resume that she learned at McDonalds that will help her advance in life man?.....like I said she better off fighting for more assisntance.
 
The only thing that i dont agree with is when people blame other for their situation. Like its not  Mcdonald's fault that you are in that position and i am a true believer that everyone has the power to improve and better their situation. As far as her being a single parent yes it makes things harder but its not an excuse for having a horrible life. When theres a will theres a way! 
 
heLiumcLinton said:
I'm not even talking about labor because I'm certain standing on your feet for 8 hours is more laborious than a lot of well paying jobs. All I'm saying is paying someone 15K yearly when rent is 12K yearly is horrible and suggesting they ask for more government assistance and making US (the people pay) instead of making corporations pay people a livable wage is even more horrible.
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She's making 240 a week, which means she's only working part time to begin with, a full time 7.5 hour day at least 72 hours a week will net her at least 2x that every two weeks, so she must only be working about 2-3 days a week out of the 7 days....perhaps land a second gig?...maybe one that pays more?...retail?...a hospital gig with some benefits?...YES McDonalds underpays their workers, not denying that...but 20$ an hour?...CUT THAT OUT :lol:
 
ksteezy said:
Dathbgboy said:
Funny thing is, once u said that there are other jobs that don't take a genius to do but get paid more, a sanitation worker was the first thing to come to mind. The argument about not needing a lot of skill can be applied to a lot more jobs that give more pay. It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to learn how to answer phones, copy papers, sit at a desk all day but secretaries still get paid more than your avg fast food employee.
C'mon Steezy, you doing a lil too much bro. One of the things that's stopping her from getting a sanitation gig could be the fact that there are really no jobs open in that field. They get paid good money and don't work as hard, who'd leave that. Even city/state/fed jobs, really require no real skill or effort and the jobs are all sewn up because the pay is decent.

I believe that minimum wage should be flexible to reflect cost of living in ones area. $20/hr would be good for somewhere like NY because it cost like $4000 for an efficiency :lol: but somewhere like Philly, $10/hr would suffice.
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But if you paying a fast food employee 20$ an hour to reflect cost of living, why is someone with a masters in some fields barely breakin 30$ an hour?.....I think is more fair to say, secretaries are overpaid for their labor...which some jobs are, offering someone without even a high school diploma in some cases 20$ an hour don't seem a little nuts to ya?...lol I can only imagine the chaos of other laborers in other jobs that require some higher level of education demanding more for their labor since now McDonalds is paying 20$ an hour....strikes Everywhere :lol:

You guys gotta be realistic man...and is crazy how is easier to assume every other job that pays more in the planet is tied up, than to assume maybe she hasn't tried...what skill set can she put in her resume that she learned at McDonalds that will help her advance in life man?.....like I said she better off fighting for more assisntance.
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Which sheds light on another issue right? The person w/ the Master's degree is also underpaid. Let's be real, most of the CEO's run companies into the ground but still walk away w/ $1m+ in salary annually.

We're one of the richest countries in the world b, but nobody is getting paid thier just due except those at the top, that's the real issue, but we just chalk that up, make excuses for why it's this way and chug along.

I don't think people who don't even have a hs diploma need to be ballin out of control, but I do feel that they should be able to afford to live comfortably. And by comfortably, I mean bare minimum w/o the need for assistance. With enough to be able to hopefully lift them out of poverty.
 
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sh0rtyy12 said:
The only thing that i dont agree with is when people blame other for their situation. Like its not  Mcdonald's fault that you are in that position and i am a true believer that everyone has the power to improve and better their situation. As far as her being a single parent yes it makes things harder but its not an excuse for having a horrible life. When theres a will theres a way! 
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And I believe you yourself are a single mom with 0 assistance from BD...right? :pimp:
 
Dathbgboy said:
Which sheds light on another issue right? The person w/ the Master's degree is also underpaid. Let's be real, most of the CEO's run companies into the ground but still walk away w/ $1m+ in salary annually.

We're one of the richest countries in the world b, but nobody is getting paid thier just due except those at the top, that's the real issue, but we just chalk that up, make excuses for why it's this way and chug along.

I don't think people who don't even have a hs diploma need to be ballin out of control, but I do feel that they should be able to afford to live comfortably. And by comfortably, I mean bare minimum w/o the need for assistance. With enough to be able to hopefully lift them out of poverty.
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Many people do tho...but let's hold her somewhat accountable for the mess she's in man...I know it's easier to point the finger @ McDonalds, but hey at the very least they employed her....the real issue is a 22 year old single mother raising the seed of a felon....McDonalds didn't spread her legs, they also didn't deprive her of protection....many young people in this country making the same dumb mistake thinking there is no consequences to this action....many dumb teens doing dumb ratchet **** like selling drugs, robbing, etc thinking this won't land them in prison and tuning their records for life, then we rather blame the justice system....some serious lack of accountability.
 
ksteezy said:
Dathbgboy said:
Which sheds light on another issue right? The person w/ the Master's degree is also underpaid. Let's be real, most of the CEO's run companies into the ground but still walk away w/ $1m+ in salary annually.

We're one of the richest countries in the world b, but nobody is getting paid thier just due except those at the top, that's the real issue, but we just chalk that up, make excuses for why it's this way and chug along.

I don't think people who don't even have a hs diploma need to be ballin out of control, but I do feel that they should be able to afford to live comfortably. And by comfortably, I mean bare minimum w/o the need for assistance. With enough to be able to hopefully lift them out of poverty.
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Many people do tho...but let's hold her somewhat accountable for the mess she's in man...I know it's easier to point the finger @ McDonalds, but hey at the very least they employed her....the real issue is a 22 year old single mother raising the seed of a felon....McDonalds didn't spread her legs, they also didn't deprive her of protection....many young people in this country making the same dumb mistake thinking there is no consequences to this action....many dumb teens doing dumb ratchet **** like selling drugs, robbing, etc thinking this won't land them in prison and tuning their records for life, then we rather blame the justice system....some serious lack of accountability.
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I am holding her accountable for her past actions, never said I wasn't. I always look at both sides of the line as opposed to some who don't. I'm looking at the biggest issue. This isn't an isolated incident, this is a large percentage of America and it's the same story.

Sad thing is, many don't know that there are ways to get out of poverty. They know it exists, but not truly knowing that they can do it themselves, especially when all they see around them is struggle.
 
ksteezy said:
Many people do tho...but let's hold her somewhat accountable for the mess she's in man...I know it's easier to point the finger @ McDonalds, but hey at the very least they employed her....the real issue is a 22 year old single mother raising the seed of a felon....McDonalds didn't spread her legs, they also didn't deprive her of protection....many young people in this country making the same dumb mistake thinking there is no consequences to this action....many dumb teens doing dumb ratchet **** like selling drugs, robbing, etc thinking this won't land them in prison and tuning their records for life, then we rather blame the justice system....some serious lack of accountability.
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woul it be different is she wasn't a single mother.

like the world loves knocking porr single mothers.....who faulted for falling in love and putting hope onto a person who can get their ish togeter we all done this
rasing kids in America now is hard. corps aint making it any easier.

if she were to go to school to get educated that would take time away from the kid and create another issue to knock her for



I feel like the fast food worker should get paid more as these jobs are important
 
Hmm she's not pretty, nor have a good body shape, IG would do her no good, gonna be a tough life for her on that income.
 
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