RIP New York Hip-Hop? (Need Some Feedback)

KingFoamNYC said:

This white boy from H-Town is doing NYC esque music better than everyone from NYC right now. **** is crazy his production and flow is smooth as ****

https://m.soundcloud.com/tedyandreas/turbo-diesel

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WavyCrocket said:

The only other dude to go Platinum this year (Cole) is proudly from the south (Bun B for president). The Carter is cole's favorite hip hop album. His introduction to hip gop was thru master P.

The hottest artist as you said (Drake) is signed to the one of the biggest southern labels of all time (Cash Money). Not only that, the influence in his music is from Houston (Z-Ro, Bun B). The consigns Drake got are from southern legends (Wayne, Bun B, J Prince)

The 3rd biggest artist of this year (Future) is from Atlanta, and got put on with the help of Gucci. The biggest artist in the game just did a collabo mixtape with him just to eat off of his buzz.

French Montana, Nicki Minaj had to go down south to team up with Mizay Ent (Waka's mother's label) to get poppin. Then. Lined up with Gucci..then Wayne.

YG is signed to CTE (Jeezy's label). His first hit record featured Rich Homie. Then his 2nd big record featured yo Gotti. If you are an east coast artist, you gotta go south. Some west coast artist do too.

South run this ****

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YG's first hit record was Toot It N Boot It

tay1 said:

YG's first hit record was Toot It N Boot It

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That's his intro. He fell back after that record. YG came and reinvented himself. He didn't wanna be known for "toot it and boot it"

My **** went PLATINUM. Billboard top 20. That's a HIT.

Magic1978 said:

Bowie, Howard and UDC

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Bowie, Howard and UDC aren't in Baltimore. Those are DC area schools.

Baltimore and DC are two completely different places whilst being only 45 minutes away. A lot of similarities, but distinctly different despite proximity.

numbah1grimey said:

Aren't there also a lot of HBCU colleges, in the Baltimore/DC area?

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When it come to music, Baltimore is 100% with the south ...ride around the city and the only thing east coast you might here it's meek(less and less these days tho ) and old NYC tracks before they fell off in the mainstream

But it's generally been a good mix of music here tho , back in the day you would here some three six and 50 on the same block

Trill Nimley said:

Master Zik said:

Why should we give a **** what they think or do?

It's not like we have before. I say this from a fan's perspective.

I'm sure the artists want the whole nation to love their music.

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Well if we have no interest in the streets what do we have?
Gucci Buzz from the street.
Future.
Migos.
Chainz.
The majority of the guys coming from the south generated their interest in the street than the labels followed suit. Same with most of the west.


NY won't have that affect because the people have lost faith. Where would an NY artist even begin from? The blogs got ASAP to where he is. I was living in Harlem for years before he got his deal and a lil after, most people in uptown Harlem had no clue who the guy was.

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I'm talking about not giving a **** about what other ppl outside the region think about why NY rap isn't "back" I couldn't give two ***** what they got to say especially when it's the same **** that shows they really don't know what's going on.

As far as the fans go, if they got your outlook on this Nay then NY rap will never bounce back. If everybody here thinks NY rappers do not have the work ethic or passion to be grinding and making music and promoting themselves or even worse think no NY artist has top level talent then nobody from here is going to get the backing to be bigger than the few blocks they rep. All NY artists would then have to just focus on getting big via the internet like the example you mentioned with ASAP.

numbah1grimey said:

Jay-Z tried to hop on Juvenile's wave, on the "Ha" remix. And he hopped on Big Pimpin, to jack too. Don't disrespect the South, playboy.

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That's just what Jay-Z does though. Son is known for that.

That aint a NY thing

Like Biggie and Bone Thugs. On Notorious Thugs that was him accommodating a rap style he liked for that specific track, not jacking Midwest/Cleveland's sound. It was mutually beneficial.

The last 2 successful movements out of NY were Dip Set and G Unit. Look at BOTH of their independent grind and their work output from 02-05. They were workin. There has not been a movement out of the NY with half of their work ethic. And they both had excellent relationships with the South, West and large fan bases in the Midwest. They were embraced everywhere and that's how they won.

What LAZY cats in other regions are doing their thing? Every movement that has popped in hip-hop has come more so from grindin then just SUPREME talent. When Wu was poppin between 93-98 every member except Masta Killa and U God dropped at least one solo. They were on compilations, Meth is on BIG and Pac albums. They was workin.

We as NYers don't have that luxury like we did in the 90s to not care what other regions think. We not in the driver seat any more. We're not in the passenger either. We ain't even in the backseat we waitin on the ****** bus, and in NY fashion we're thumbin our collective nose at a region that has kept the culture afloat for better or for worse.

I miss the Dipset era. Such a talented collective.

Safe to say the west been putting out the best music the past few years.

Kendrick - GKMC, TPAB
Game - Jesus Piece, Documentary 2
YG - My Krazy Life
Nipsey - Crenshaw, Mailbox Money
Jay Rock - 90059
Q - Oxymoron

Kirk Knight of Pro Era is dropping a tape, next weekend. I'm streaming it now and, it's a great release. NY'ers need to start promoting some of these guys more.

numbah1grimey said:

Kirk Knight of Pro Era is dropping a tape, next weekend. I'm streaming it now and, it's a great release. NY'ers need to start promoting some of these guys more.

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Remember Kirk is part of that hallway wannabe old school rap crew so we shouldnt pay attention to him

He released it as a producer with other artists on it or as an emcee himself tho?

I got invited to the listening for that Kirk joint.

Pro Era needs to study the last 6 bars of "Goin Back To Cali"

Dave East tape is :x

Trill Nimley said:

The last 2 successful movements out of NY were Dip Set and G Unit. Look at BOTH of their independent grind and their work output from 02-05. They were workin. There has not been a movement out of the NY with half of their work ethic. And they both had excellent relationships with the South, West and large fan bases in the Midwest. They were embraced everywhere and that's how they won.

What LAZY cats in other regions are doing their thing? Every movement that has popped in hip-hop has come more so from grindin then just SUPREME talent. When Wu was poppin between 93-98 every member except Masta Killa and U God dropped at least one solo. They were on compilations, Meth is on BIG and Pac albums. They was workin.

We as NYers don't have that luxury like we did in the 90s to not care what other regions think. We not in the driver seat any more. We're not in the passenger either. We ain't even in the backseat we waitin on the ****** bus, and in NY fashion we're thumbin our collective nose at a region that has kept the culture afloat for better or for worse.

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I am not advocating lazy rappers or saying don't worry lazy NY rappers with no work ethic are going to get their turn regardless. That's not my argument in the least

I'm saying dudes do grind hard here and they do have talent. At this point it's simply about getting that momentum, that right place right time, and overall undeniable mass appeal.

Cam and Jim and Juelz were running around most of the 90s establishing some alliances all over hip hop before Cam got big and Dipset had their run. Curtis had the backing of Em and Dre not to mention he as a solo artist came in stronger than damn near anybody all off of hype, rap beef, and one album. It was his idea to specifically form a group that repped every region that had a presence in rap (except for the Midwest). Those were purposeful strategical moves by Curtis to try and build a long lasting group he could eat off. The good music aside lets not pretend they both didn't have the right connects and reached a level to make moves on a bigger level that allowed their runs to be so strong.

Also I know I didn't say anything about current NY rappers not being on good terms with rappers from other regions. It only makes sense to do that.

Again all I said is I don't really give a **** about these outside opinions about why NY rap isn't back or on top especially when those criticisms are completely off the mark. It's not like they matter. You happen to think it's a work ethic problem but dudes outside still think it's some crabs in a barrel mentality. As if every rapper in all the boroughs need to be united to make good music. Always seemed to me that perspective is 10 years late anyway. All the household names from NY are not gonna bring back NY rap, all those greats yall remember from the mixtapes and underground aint gonna do it either. Instead of still dropping music until they got whack they probably should've focused a bit on bringing up new upcoming talent but hey them ol heads gotta eat too. So all this we're not united talk is really about rappers in their late 30s and 40s who are not gonna be able to put NY back on for the next decade. When ppl say that notice they can't name any of the younger NY rappers who are beefing to show an example of why they think things are the way they are now.

And to bring this back to NY rap fans and focus on NY rappers, if they think none of the NY rappers got the work ethic or talent why would they **** with them? This is basically what you saying Nay. What you expect ppl to do if they think like that? Embrace music they don't like? If what you said was a fact and nobody is working hard then you answered a whole lot of your questions. NY rap won't be back until a crop of rappers with strong work ethic and talent pop up and start making moves. It's simple as that. So if you look at the rappers you can't really blame some of them that hop on other regions sound and tries to blow. You can't blame dudes for looking at somebody like Wiz who got a grass roots movement all off his internet grind. A rapper who is now one of the biggest in the game simply by changing his rap style from that Dipset style to straight up weed head raps and mainstream hits. Of course dudes are gonna model their approach off him if they aint even getting the support in their hometown.

In defense of Diddy.50.Jay-Z.NaS.

What MORE could they have done for NY? BIG laid the blueprint for these Ns 18 years ago and Ns just refuse to follow it sufficiently.

In this matter NY won't ever be on top until the other regions decide that. The south got in its position by other regions embracing what they were doin. The west got in its current position by the rest of the country embracing what they're doin. But when it comes to NY we have this mentality where we disregard other regions, it's people that won't even admit theirs a HUGE problem with NY hip-hop. Other regions don't wanna hear the nonsense we're makin. We don't even wanna hear it.

As far as 50, he had an established Buzz without Em and Dre they just brought him into middle America's living rooms. But even without them he was gonna do numbers. And make good music because he had done it before linking with them. Cam had been pushing the Diplomats brand as well. Honestly DJ Whoo Kid and Karen Civil are responsible for a lot more of both groups success then they'll ever be credited for.

Who was the last GREAT talent to come out of NY foreal?

How many talented NY artists are jumping on other regions sound?

Wiz is better than anyone to come out of NY in a VERY longtime. The MAJORITY of these guys suck regardless of who or what they're tryin to sound like and in about every case except A$AP they're failing miserably.

NY is no longer ripe with talent. Jay-Z co sign didn't MAKE Cole, it was his own work ethic, hitting the road and giving out free music. So what makes people think if he signed someone from Brooklyn they would have the same desire? One thing is for sure they wouldn't be as talented.

NaS has Dave East, and while I like him it's NOT gonna happen for dude.

I'm sure if there was more talent Diddy. Jay-Z. 50. Wouldn't be against signing someone. They just know better at this point, and it doesn't make sense business wise. But if there was an undeniable talent out there, I'm sure they'd listen.

Why won't East happen ? He's not good enough for rap in this climate ?

Trill Nimley said:

In defense of Diddy.50.Jay-Z.NaS.

What MORE could they have done for NY? BIG laid the blueprint for these Ns 18 years ago and Ns just refuse to follow it sufficiently.

In this matter NY won't ever be on top until the other regions decide that. The south got in its position by other regions embracing what they were doin. The west got in its current position by the rest of the country embracing what they're doin. But when it comes to NY we have this mentality where we disregard other regions, it's people that won't even admit theirs a HUGE problem with NY hip-hop. Other regions don't wanna hear the nonsense we're makin. We don't even wanna hear it.

As far as 50, he had an established Buzz without Em and Dre they just brought him into middle America's living rooms. But even without them he was gonna do numbers. And make good music because he had done it before linking with them. Cam had been pushing the Diplomats brand as well. Honestly DJ Whoo Kid and Karen Civil are responsible for a lot more of both groups success then they'll ever be credited for.

Who was the last GREAT talent to come out of NY foreal?

How many talented NY artists are jumping on other regions sound?

Wiz is better than anyone to come out of NY in a VERY longtime. The MAJORITY of these guys suck regardless of who or what they're tryin to sound like and in about every case except A$AP they're failing miserably.

NY is no longer ripe with talent. Jay-Z co sign didn't MAKE Cole, it was his own work ethic, hitting the road and giving out free music. So what makes people think if he signed someone from Brooklyn they would have the same desire? One thing is for sure they wouldn't be as talented.

NaS has Dave East, and while I like him it's NOT gonna happen for dude.

I'm sure if there was more talent Diddy. Jay-Z. 50. Wouldn't be against signing someone. They just know better at this point, and it doesn't make sense business wise. But if there was an undeniable talent out there, I'm sure they'd listen.

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None of that is true

Wiz

KingFoamNYC said:

Why won't East happen ? He's not good enough for rap in this climate ?

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Why hasn't he generated a legitimate buzz yet? People in NY barley know who the guy is. I did an article on him a few months ago for the site I write for, and supposed to be sitting down with him for the magazine, while I personally enjoy his music and the lane he occupies, it's not gonna pop. He'd be lucky to reach Troy Ave status.

In reality Skyzoo is the BEST MC to come out of NY in the 2000's. And all 3 of his albums are VERY good. I'm not saying that cause I work with him. I'd been a fan since "Corner Store Classic", I just started working with him during the last album release.

KingFoamNYC said:

Wiz

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Another case of NYers thumbing their nose at LEGIT artists.

I remember seeing Wiz in XXL or was it The Source 05/06. He dropped an independent album almost 10 years ago. Signed with Warner in 07. What new NY rapper was makin a debut back then? And where are they now? He outlasted all them Ns. His mixtape run from 'Star Power' to 'Taylor Alderdice' was FULL of GOOD music. who from NY was doin that? He had 4 sold out national tours as a headlining artist with more or less no major label backing. Who from NY has done that in the last 10 years outside of Jay-Z?

Y'all can thumb your nose at Wiz but the fact remains, he was opening for U God in NY 6 years ago. Since then he's sold out how many shows in NY? And how many have the guys who are better sold out in their own city? Or Pittsburgh? Or ANY where?

Matter fact He took Joey Badass on the road with him.

Prince Of The City, Flight School, and Kush & OJ wiz was dope and that ***** is dead. I no longer **** with Wiz because he's trash

Who from NY has been better?

Trill Nimley said:

Who from NY has been better?

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Are u seriously asking this question

I rather listen to fab, gs9, asap, zombies, old man hov, etc. rather than post Kush and oj wiz. Dudes music is ******* cringeworthy and is not tailored to what I want or my friends want to listen to at all. I'm not talking about this any longer u like to view your opinion as fact and have plenty biases on who you like based on personal relationships. Subjectivity is not a strength of yours so I'm gonna allow to push this "self hating NYC hip hop head" **** u got going on without anymore interference

Wiz best project is after Kush & OJ...

Old Wiz is better tho

However his drop off isnt as bad as ppl make it seem. If you keep up with his music he still had a bunch of songs that were good. Everything after Kush & OJ didnt sound like that trash on Rolling Papers

KingFoamNYC said:

Are u seriously asking this question

I rather listen to fab, gs9, asap, zombies, old man hov, etc. rather than post Kush and oj wiz. Dudes music is ******* cringeworthy and is not tailored to what I want or my friends want to listen to at all. I'm not talking about this any longer u like to view your opinion as fact and have plenty biases on who you like based on personal relationships. Subjectivity is not a strength of yours so I'm gonna allow to push this "self hating NYC hip hop head" **** u got going on without anymore interference

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Fab is almost 40. He's from the class on 98. Jay-Z? You're comparing OLD rappers to 28 year old Wiz. You might as well say NaS and KRS One while you're at it.
Wiz > A$AP as a staff, record label & as a mutha****** crew
Wiz > GS9
Wiz > Flatbush Zombies

Ns ONLY like **** cause the people making it are from NY. No real consideration of quality. A$AP Mob is pretty good but the others, y'all just blindly claim to support, and most of that is due to the poor state of NY hip-hop.