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2015-2016 NBA Regular Season - MDA to HOU - All-NBA - Harden snubbed - Anthony Davis is broke
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I know most of the stuff he's been posting is sarcasm.. But not the Wiggins topic
@CP1708 be honest bro how many Wolves games have you caught this year and last
I've watched damb near all of them.. I am a big Wiggins fan, I just don't see him being much more than a good scorer.. that's not even a knock on him. He's not going to magically become someone who can create for others.. he has the ball in his hands A LOT no reason he can't at least get 3 a game. Don't get me started with his rebounding.
He's a kill only player, ain't eem mad. I just don't see a superstar. But that's just my opinion.
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ive maybe watched 10 wolves game this year but ive rostered wiggins alot in fantasy and he is scoring dependant. he gets nothing else, no other stats. its well know that all he is score at the moment.
@CP1708 be honest bro how many Wolves games have you caught this year and last
I've watched damb near all of them.. I am a big Wiggins fan, I just don't see him being much more than a good scorer.. that's not even a knock on him. He's not going to magically become someone who can create for others.. he has the ball in his hands A LOT no reason he can't at least get 3 a game. Don't get me started with his rebounding.
He's a kill only player, ain't eem mad. I just don't see a superstar. But that's just my opinion.
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I think even more than his game, I love KATs attitude. Little bro just gets it. His famiyl really instilled values of hard work and humility in him. I dig that. Barring injury, he'll be great forever. Quiet savage like TD
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To put some perspective on wiggins,
Chris Paul has the ball a ton for the Clips. That's obvious.
Wiggins has a higher usage rate than Chris Paul. That's crazy.
By no means is this a way to compare those two players, but when you have the ball that much, you should be able to account for more than 10% of your team's assist. Yes he's young, but to expect a huge or dramatic jump in this area is naive. Then you factor in the fact that he isn't as good of a defender as advertised, and you have some question marks on his potential.
Chris Paul has the ball a ton for the Clips. That's obvious.
Wiggins has a higher usage rate than Chris Paul. That's crazy.
By no means is this a way to compare those two players, but when you have the ball that much, you should be able to account for more than 10% of your team's assist. Yes he's young, but to expect a huge or dramatic jump in this area is naive. Then you factor in the fact that he isn't as good of a defender as advertised, and you have some question marks on his potential.
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I know there's a lot to it but when these kids start having great playoff performances, I'll crown them.
Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch
Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch
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I'm a couple pages late but if Chicago offers Pau 20 mil ....
Pau is half the problem, first of all.
Pau is half the problem, first of all.
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did Adidas announce the Rising Stars Challenge jerseys yet?
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I can agree with this.
but, what about just getting to the playoffs? Are we putting the responsibility on even making it to the playoffs on them? Because great playoffs can take garbage to the playoffs no matter what? a la LBJ? Or are we saying these kids are hella good, but they need more haaaalp? a la LBJ?
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ICYMI: @Timberwolves SF @22wiggins told us @ZachLaVine 's dunk on Saturday will "leave you stunned" #NBAAllStarTO
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Taco Bell needs to introduce a taco eating element to the skills challenge.
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tell em get off zach meat and go work on your game.
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Welp.
#NeverForgetBoyz outchea though.
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Peepa only know the chihuahuha and barkley. They dunno Shaq.
Might DL the whole squad.
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I think people are too used to the blatant disrespect and calling players trash, garbage, or overrated, so when there's actual logic and evidence behind opinions.. it's swept all together. It's not ridiculous to criticize a young player, just because they're 20 and have potential doesn't mean they're free from criticism.. but it's important to remember that they are young, of course.
Basically what happens is people want to avoid criticizing a young player or a young team because "They're young, they'll improve, they have potential" but those little issues or faults might not get fixed and 5 years from now you wonder "Why didn't they pan out?" and it's those little issues you might have seen in year 1 or 2. On the flipside, of course, people look at 40 games from a rookie and make extravagant claims that are proven wrong when they naturally improve and get better.
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As for Wiggins, it's fair to say we haven't seen a major jump and improvement this year. That's not to say we won't see it, but other than a scoring bump, his play this year hasn't jumped out to you as a future superstar to me. We need to see that defensive potential more and he's got to improve his 3 point shot.
Fortunately for him, he's going to be paired with KAT for the next 7+ years. Good god is this kid the real deal. As it's been mentioned, his feel for the game, defense, and shooting is pretty insane for someone his size.
Basically what happens is people want to avoid criticizing a young player or a young team because "They're young, they'll improve, they have potential" but those little issues or faults might not get fixed and 5 years from now you wonder "Why didn't they pan out?" and it's those little issues you might have seen in year 1 or 2. On the flipside, of course, people look at 40 games from a rookie and make extravagant claims that are proven wrong when they naturally improve and get better.
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As for Wiggins, it's fair to say we haven't seen a major jump and improvement this year. That's not to say we won't see it, but other than a scoring bump, his play this year hasn't jumped out to you as a future superstar to me. We need to see that defensive potential more and he's got to improve his 3 point shot.
Fortunately for him, he's going to be paired with KAT for the next 7+ years. Good god is this kid the real deal. As it's been mentioned, his feel for the game, defense, and shooting is pretty insane for someone his size.
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KAT is the real deal. He's doing this on a team that makes little sense and has a horrible coach too. Imagine if he had shooters around him? Or a coach that isn't Sam Mitchell?
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Wolves are just 1 shooter away from being a contender. Srs
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be honest bro how many Wolves games have you caught this year and last
I've watched damb near all of them.. I am a big Wiggins fan, I just don't see him being much more than a good scorer.. that's not even a knock on him. He's not going to magically become someone who can create for others.. he has the ball in his hands A LOT no reason he can't at least get 3 a game. Don't get me started with his rebounding.
He's a kill only player, ain't eem mad. I just don't see a superstar. But that's just my opinion.
Probably a dozen or so last year, maybe 15-20 so far this year.
And I don’t have any issue with the kid.
You guys wanna use stats and shooting percentages, and pi squared divided by 16 footers, that’s all glorious, but that doesn’t tell you jack **** about what he’s asked to do.
You, nor I, knows what Sam Mitchell asks him to do. Or what they practice, and tell him they want from him. Or Rubio. Or Towns, etc. Maybe they want him ISO’ing all the time. Maybe they want him to focus on scoring, now, and later on down the line they will ask him to distribute, once the double/triple teams start coming.
Maybe “regress” is just for lack of a better term or something, and not really indicative of how he’s actually growing in his own game. Which you can’t put a damn stat on. Kobe’s 3 point shooting got worse his first 3 years. Then it leveled off again 2 years later. In his SEVENTH year, he jumped big time with his long range shooting. Both in volume, and accuracy. Seven. Years. He added a nice weapon to his arsenal. Thru work. Wiggins, from what I can tell, will work. As hard as Kobe? I dunno, none of us do, maybe he’ll work even harder. Kobe wasn’t locking anyone down in 96-97-98-99, and then suddenly he started working on defense over the all-star break with Payton and suddenly he started to become proficient at it. Within a year he was really good.
Magic in the late 80’s would come back each year with a new skill, or much improved one. Be it simple things like free throws, or adding the 3 to his game.
I would think a Timberwolve fanbase would remember KG in year 1-2 wasn’t much, and 2-3 years later, boom. I guess if it were today, February of KG’s second year, we’d be saying KG hit his peak, he’s just a nice talented player, never gonna be much more than an ok scorer, or decent rebounder, blah blah blah.
Wiggins may just be focused on scoring this year. Maybe next year he’ll focus on passing out of double teams. The year after defense. Year after that, 3 ball. The next year rebounding better. It’s adding to your game as you go along. Age 20-21-22-23 etc. It’s what the coaching staff asks him to work on, and improve on. You don’t just go into an offseason and say focus on improving everything. You focus on an area and work on that area, year after year. Add it to your repertoire. To already be calling him Rudy Gay, or DeMar DeRozan (is DeMar not having a career best year, now, years into his career?
) Players add to their game, it takes time, it takes work, it takes years. It doesn’t just show up on basketball reference the day he starts working on it. You guys wanna run around and call him regressed, and lower his ceiling, and he’s Rudy G 2.0, go on ahead. I see a talented as hell kid learning on the fly and now adding another super baby to his team to work and grow with. If he has the hunger in him to be in the gym non-stop during the off-season, he’ll be just fine. And you guys and your readymade labels will look absolutely foolish. If he doesn’t work like that, and just wants to gun and no coach(es) will get thru to him, then I’ll look foolish.
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And Mitchell's been making him earn his minutes (17 games he has played 27 or less minutes) which skewers things a bit.
He's settled in now. KAT's last 16 games:
33 Min/20 PPG/12.3 REB/.566 FG/.860 FT/.421 3PT
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damn if he could just up those Free throws son could drop 50-40-90 year 1 
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Because the time table for development and improvement have shrunk cobsiderably. He may not be that break out star simply because there is so much talent in the league now. You can‘t quant everything and analyze things based on stats!!
Player development just takes time, but truth be told. With every up and comer working on their game, the spotlight to shine ain‘t gonna be easy.
You guys also have to understand that these guys are young and were developed differently. They may find themselves in a stump simply because they lack experience at the pros. The Xs and Os and bball iq and all that takes time.
This is a league that requires much more than physical talent.
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kevin martin?
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He's seen enough of Zach dunks behind the scenes to know he don't want it in the dunk contest
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