P Diddy says Voting is a Scam, 'Vote or Die was full of ****'

I voted in 08 for Obama cuz I felt like it was major moment in this country and turned out to be basically the same, hell it feels like **** got worse for us once he got into office. I doubt I'll ever vote again. I'm not falling for that "If you don't vote you're part of the problem" BS lol. You're basically choosing between one devil and the next.
 
-There is way too much money is politics right now

-I have always and will always feel voting is extremely important. Especially local ones

-The parties are not "both the same"

-Voting once and expecting **** to change won't work. Example: Obama only has had two years with a cooperative Congress, because the people that showed up for him in 2008 and 2012, didn't in 2010 and 2014. Bush had 6

-I tired of trying convince dudes about the importance of voting. That one party is actively trying to stop black folk from voting, or that the groups that vote at the highest rates are still cater too (Seniors and the Tea Party in the GOP). If that is not a signal that voting still matters I don't know what to tell you

-But I dudes can do them, it is whatever. Anyone that I'm stupid for having these views, welp, right back atcha
 
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Just like Lucky and the other dude was saying, people respect money and power. The only way voting will be important/impact black folks is if we put money behind a candidate and tell him our agenda and he carries it out. Other than that these people don't give a damn about you. It's just a way of making you feel important and you're doing your part. Please.
 
Dathbgboy said:
Money talks. If Diddy, Jay, Beyonce, 50, Dre, etc. got together and plotted a systematic takeover, w/ their money, they could do some thangs, however, they don't really want to.
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These dudes wouldn't even get the Kennedy special if they stepped out of line
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703 Hwy said:
2000 was a scam. Al Gore won
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FACTS.

I was so disillusioned after that election. Bush literally went to the SC and asked to be appointed when all the votes weren't in. It was some bull ****. Then 9/11 happens the following year :smh:
 
RustyShackleford said:
-There is way too much money is politics right now

-I have always and will always feel voting is extremely important. Especially local ones

-The parties are not "both the same"

-Voting once and expecting **** to change won't work. Example: Obama only has had two years with a cooperative Congress, because the people that showed up for him in 2008 and 2012, didn't in 2010 and 2014. Bush had 6

-I tired of trying convince dudes about the importance of voting. That one party is actively trying to stop black folk from voting, or that the groups that vote at the highest rates are still cater too (Seniors and the Tea Party in the GOP). If that is not a signal that voting still matters I don't know what to tell you

-But I dudes can do them, it is whatever. Anyone that I'm stupid for having these views, welp, right back atcha
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Agreed, if we voted for things like Propositions, new laws, and the candidates that aren't the "runofthemill" types (ie Sanders) than we can absolutely change things little by little.
 
DaNiKeRhiNo said:
Dathbgboy said:
So with this, are u also suggesting the dissolution of the EC?
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No not at all, I just rather not a have a person make contributions in representation of any kind of company or corporation. As a citizen, you should be entitled to personally endorse any candidate you want through funding them. There's already limits placed as well so it doesn't need to be altered in any kind of way in my opinion.

Edit: There should be a cap for everyone, just read the FEC website which states certain Donors have no limits as far as contributions, which I don't think is right.
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the Citizens United decision opened up the floodgates for SuperPACs and campaign support and funding.

Maximus Meridius said:
Just like Lucky and the other dude was saying, people respect money and power. The only way voting will be important/impact black folks is if we put money behind a candidate and tell him our agenda and he carries it out. Other than that these people don't give a damn about you. It's just a way of making you feel important and you're doing your part. Please.
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But forreal, we would have to put our money behind that person and stay silent about it, and make sure he's keeping up his end of the bargain behind the scenes and at a distance because as soon as they find out, they'll send the squadron to shut it down.
 
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DaNiKeRhiNo said:
FrankMatthews said:
The two party system is a hegelian dialectic and always has been, by design, since it's inception.
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Would change if we voted for Green, Independant, and Libertarian candidates. But, hey, we can't control our own votes so it doesn't matter.
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Sounds good but when have they ever won a presidency? When have they ever even came close to having a majority. The electorate is dumbed down on purpose. 90% of the people wouldn't know good policy if they heard it, ourselves included. Kinda hard to vote responsibly when no one knows **** other than what's on cable tv.
 
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DaNiKeRhiNo said:
FrankMatthews said:
The two party system is a hegelian dialectic and always has been, by design, since it's inception.
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Would change if we voted for Green, Independant, and Libertarian candidates. But, hey, we can't control our own votes so it doesn't matter.
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Sounds good but when have they ever won a presidency? When have they ever even came close to having a majority. The electorate is dumbed down on purpose. 90% of the people wouldn't know good policy if they heard it, ourselves included. Kinda hard to vote responsibly when no one knows **** other than what's on cable tv.
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In an ideal world, there would be no parties. Parties cloud and mask the agendas. U can have one candidate who has some great ideas and what not but since he's in a particular party, he's automatically considered the enemy. Of course there are some that represent what the party represents 10fold too.

Get rid of the parties and their stigma, have the candidates run on their platform alone, and then truly let the people decide.
 
True, but truth of the matter is that it's still media and while media is good, it's also poison. The web is almost like the wild west, anybody can create a news site and pass the info off as legit, hell, u got people still thinking the Onion is a legit site. Fact of the matter is, people are broke and exhausted and don't feel like they have the energy to decipher and sift through info, so they sit back and let the news on tv do it for them.

I gotta say, I appreciate yall when it comes to topics we really need to discuss. I try to engage all the "woke" people in my area and on Facebook but they're too busy sleep walking.
 
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Dathbgboy said:
the Citizens United decision opened up the floodgates for SuperPACs and campaign support and funding.
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But forreal, we would have to put our money behind that person and stay silent about it, and make sure he's keeping up his end of the bargain behind the scenes and at a distance because as soon as they find out, they'll send the squadron to shut it down.
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Yeah SuperPACs can be definitely used to leverage.

FrankMatthews said:
Sounds good but when have they ever won a presidency? When have they ever even came close to having a majority. The electorate is dumbed down on purpose. 90% of the people wouldn't know good policy if they heard it, ourselves included. Kinda hard to vote responsibly when no one knows **** other than what's on cable tv.
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Well that's the general public's issue, that's why it's our choice to keep ourselves informed. If we got enough people involved with things of this nature we wouldn't be having a problem with challenging the status-quo. If the populous vote far outweighed the electorate vote, that would sway things our way.
 
Its a shame that so many prominent black figures are so ignorant.

American politics are far  from perfect but votes do matter.

Despite many politicians being bought, they can't impliment bought policies unless they get elected.

We have a man, Bernie Sanders, who is actually running to make concrete change and he does not have Super PAC and billionaire class money backing him.

He needs every vote possible. If you're a registered democrat make sure you get to the polls whenever your primary election is.

Don't listen to this BULL.

We literally cannot complain about not seeing change and not participate in the process at the same time. Voter suppression is definitely real but we can't disregard the game then expect the game to reward us. It doesn't work like that.

This is not "Scandal" they aren't stealing votes out here...yet.
 
You guys should look into Bernie Sanders. Seriously, dude is genuine and is actually projected to win in some polls.

Edit:Nevermind, someone's already ahead of me.
 
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Fixing America's voting system goes way beyond Bernie famb. Even though he is dat dude :smokin

-We need terms limits on everyone, even on supreme court justices

-Citizen's unit needs to be repelled with an amendment

-We need to restrict lobbying, and prevent government officials from ever becoming lobbyist after the retire/leave government.

-The Senate's filibuster rule needs to go away

-Undo Gerrymandering. Huge

-Make election day a national holiday. With tons of polling stations for the poor to be able to vote

-Make voting a opt out instead of opt in system. Hell, give tax credits to incentive it.

-Cap the amount people can donate to a campaign.

-Restrict election adds until a few weeks before an election.

I could go on. But term limits, citizen's united, and gerrymandering are the most important ones
 
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RustyShackleford said:
Fixing America's voting system goes way beyond Bernie famb. Even though he is dat dude :smokin

-We need terms limits on everyone, even on supreme court justices

-Citizen's unit needs to be repelled with an amendment

-We need to restrict lobbying, and prevent government officials from ever becoming lobbyist after the retire/leave government.

-The Senate's filibuster rule needs to go away

-Undo Gerrymandering. Huge

-Make election day a national holiday. With tons of polling stations for the poor to be able to vote

-Make voting a opt out instead of opt in system. Hell, give tax credits to incentive it.

-Cap the amount people can donate to a campaign.

-Restrict election adds until a few weeks before an election.

I could go on. But term limits, citizen's united, and gerrymandering are the most important ones
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I agree 100%, but you can't deny that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate we have right now, having him in office will be a big step in the right direction as far as having a genuine elected official.
 
Not cap the amount that people are allowed to give, cap the amount the candidates are allowed to receive. Other than that I agree w/ you broham. Tuesday is the day for the world to feel the Bern
 
Dathbgboy said:
Not cap the amount that people are allowed to give, cap the amount the candidates are allowed to receive. Other than that I agree w/ you broham. Tuesday is the day for the world to feel the Bern
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OK, actually, that's really smart. Level the playing field. But that might give Candidates with more money the leverage to fund their campaigns more and the broker ones left in the dust.
 
Bernie seems cool but I doubt I'll vote and I def don't trust him yet and probably never will.

I know it's what everyone is saying. The less of two evils. I'll be damned if I ever vote republican and democrats aren't much better. At least you can laugh at how dumb most republicans are. Then you sit back and think these are the people with power...
 
Dathbgboy said:
Not cap the amount that people are allowed to give, cap the amount the candidates are allowed to receive. Other than that I agree w/ you broham. Tuesday is the day for the world to feel the Bern
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Eh, I kind feel if you can mobilize more people to donate, you deserve the extra cash

I think their should be a maybe a separate pool (I know this already exist, just expand it) that all candidate polling over a certain number can tap into.

And the rest is icing.
 
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