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Spell out how your ideal system works. And point to a success story in some country of the world


Stop being vague and talking in circles
youre not listening. no where did i say this was in place already did i?

Ok

Then spell out how your ideal system works

-And I was pressuring for an example because it leads into the next question. If a system is not proven to work, why should anyone try to implement it?
 
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Ok

Then spell out how your ideal system works
i feel like ive done this at nauseum on this site 
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let me try and simplify it to the best of my ability.

#1 mass education needs to take place. as i said people are dangerously ignorant and actually need to be taught right from wrong for starters which is just sad.

#2 with awareness and understanding of these simple rules things start to clear up

do no harm to other sentient beings. how hard is it to stay within those parameters? 

i dont feel like typing a full page report on this but you see where im going (hopefully) 

the problems society faces are not being addressed at the ROOT CAUSAL FACTORS. and thats my main point. instead of a temporary fix why not get down to the nitty gritty and try and fix things? people are lazy un educated and too used to externalizing their power to a group of men to make choices for them. 
 
I think he wants everyone to go solo, providing they're own healthcare, food supply, taking care of their own part of the water system, settling disputes in their own manner, trading with others as oppose to dealing with money. The caveman system of governance.
 
I think he wants everyone to go solo, providing they're own healthcare, food supply, taking care of their own part of the water system, settling disputes in their own manner, trading with others as oppose to dealing with money. The caveman system of governance.
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i feel like ive done this at nauseum on this site :lol:  

let me try and simplify it to the best of my ability.

#1 mass education needs to take place. as i said people are dangerously ignorant and actually need to be taught right from wrong for starters which is just sad.

#2 with awareness and understanding of these simple rules things start to clear up

do no harm to other sentient beings. how hard is it to stay within those parameters? 

i dont feel like typing a full page report on this but you see where im going (hopefully) 

the problems society faces are not being addressed at the ROOT CAUSAL FACTORS. and thats my main point. instead of a temporary fix why not get down to the nitty gritty and try and fix things? people are lazy un educated and too used to externalizing their power to a group of men to make choices for them. 
other sentient beings, like animals we eat? Nonviolence across the board as well, good luck with that.

We can fix the education system with our current government, we just need to push for it.
 
other sentient beings, like animals we eat? Nonviolence across the board as well, good luck with that.

We can fix the education system with our current government, we just need to push for it.
nobody said it was easy or simple. but lets start with not harming eachother and go from there.

the education system is a joke. 
 
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nobody said it was easy or simple. but lets start with not harming eachother and go from there
They're chemically imbalanced individuals everywhere fam, there's scientific evidence that goes against absolute peace within a species. Someone will always want what another man has, there will always be people that take it to the extremes because it may be part of their personality. Universal peace in itself is impossible in our current world. What you're asking for is impractical.
 
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Then spell out how your ideal system works
i feel like ive done this at nauseum on this site :lol:  

let me try and simplify it to the best of my ability.

#1 mass education needs to take place. as i said people are dangerously ignorant and actually need to be taught right from wrong for starters which is just sad.

#2 with awareness and understanding of these simple rules things start to clear up

do no harm to other sentient beings. how hard is it to stay within those parameters? 

i dont feel like typing a full page report on this but you see where im going (hopefully) 

the problems society faces are not being addressed at the ROOT CAUSAL FACTORS. and thats my main point. instead of a temporary fix why not get down to the nitty gritty and try and fix things? people are lazy un educated and too used to externalizing their power to a group of men to make choices for them. 

No, I want the full page report. You live in the vague.

1-Mass Education?

Ok what is the curriculum, who decides it, who gather the materials, who produces the materials, how are they transported..........or are you saying everyone should be taught your ideology

2- No harming of sentient beings, really?

So we just assume everyone sticks to that forever? If a man tries to rape a woman, and she shoots him, then they both did stay within that "parameter". What is the punishment, is there a punishment?

You label "root causes" but the more you talk it sounds like you're saying "people just don't believe in my ideology". If your not, then spell out what will be taught.

Your system also sounds like it will cause the economy to contract greatly, how do we over come that?

-Stop for a second, how much government involvement your think it took for your and me to be talking on the internet right now. How will your system insure this type of innovation and industrial organization continues to happen?

Please provide concrete answers. Or pm links to resources that do

I'm seriously come at you with an open mind now
 
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Ok


Then spell out how your ideal system works
i feel like ive done this at nauseum on this site :lol:  

let me try and simplify it to the best of my ability.

#1 mass education needs to take place. as i said people are dangerously ignorant and actually need to be taught right from wrong for starters which is just sad.

#2 with awareness and understanding of these simple rules things start to clear up

do no harm to other sentient beings. how hard is it to stay within those parameters? 

i dont feel like typing a full page report on this but you see where im going (hopefully) 

the problems society faces are not being addressed at the ROOT CAUSAL FACTORS. and thats my main point. instead of a temporary fix why not get down to the nitty gritty and try and fix things? people are lazy un educated and too used to externalizing their power to a group of men to make choices for them. 
You're talking like more education is a guarantee that things will clear up for only one course to a solution will reveal itself that everyone will agree on.

If this is you explaining it at the best of your ability and in the most simplified way I gotta say it's pretty naive and sounds more like a vague philosophy that hasn't been thought out than a societal course of action.

Not hating or disagreeing that addressing root factors shouldn't be done but you're assuming some things from point a to point b can be easily done or that a real solution can be easily found when you talk about lets fix things instead of temporary fixes that I guess you feel are currently being done.

I do agree that current status quo has created a ubiquitous complacency and laziness but fixing that is a larger task than just saying everyone shall be educated.
 
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They're chemically imbalanced individuals everywhere fam, there's scientific evidence that goes against absolute peace within a species. Someone will always want what another man has, there will always be people that take it to the extremes because it may be part of their personality. Universal peace in itself is impossible in our current world. What you're asking for is impractical.
chemically imbalanced people are products of their environment. again, root causal factors. do you know the % of people who are secondary psychopaths? thats not a natural occurrence. i never said there would be a utopia. some form of violence will occur in one way or another but it can be drastically less than what we experience now. its about balance. i dont see balance as impractical.
 
You're talking like more education is a guarantee that things will clear up for only one course to a solution will reveal itself that everyone will agree on.

If this is you explaining it at the best of your ability and in the most simplified way I gotta say it's pretty naive and sounds more like a vague philosophy that hasn't been thought out than a societal course of action.

Not hating or disagreeing that addressing root factors shouldn't be done but you're assuming some things from point a to point b can be easily done or that a real solution can be easily found when you talk about lets fix things instead of temporary fixes that I guess you feel are currently being done.

I do agree that current status quo has created a ubiquitous complacency and laziness but fixing that is a larger task than just saying everyone shall be educated.
i agree with most of this i never said anything was simple or easy this is a highly complex subject that i just dont feel like delving into with people who dont get it but you seem to get it you just misunderstood what i was trying to say

*i shouldve been more specific. education on natural law and human freedom. these 2 things specifically.  this is universal its not something we all need to agree on. it just is, and you can be aware of it or not its up to you.
 
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They're chemically imbalanced individuals everywhere fam, there's scientific evidence that goes against absolute peace within a species. Someone will always want what another man has, there will always be people that take it to the extremes because it may be part of their personality. Universal peace in itself is impossible in our current world. What you're asking for is impractical.
chemically imbalanced people are products of their environment. again, root causal factors. do you know the % of people who are secondary psychopaths? thats not a natural occurrence. i never said there would be a utopia. some form of violence will occur in one way or another but it can be drastically less than what we experience now. its about balance. i dont see balance as impractical.

There are countries out there that have lower rates of violent crime though

Why is your system better than just trying to copy their policies and attitudes?

And if I live in a country where I get healthcare, pay no tuition, have good upward mobility, work is plenty, the government functions well, and their is relatively low inequity

Why should I give that up? Or does your system do it better?
 
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chemically imbalanced people are products of their environment. again, root causal factors. do you know the % of people who are secondary psychopaths? thats not a natural occurrence. i never said there would be a utopia. some form of violence will occur in one way or another but it can be drastically less than what we experience now. its about balance. i dont see balance as impractical.
well with our complexed brains combined with how individuals handle situations with different extremes and care about other in varying degrees, I would say it is part of our nature currently. We would need some sort of direct brain calming/analyzing device to get over this problem.
 
well with our complexed brains combined with how individuals handle situations with different extremes and care about other in varying degrees, I would say it is part of our nature currently. We would need some sort of direct brain calming/analyzing device to get over this problem.
na man it starts with a healthy pregnancy and upbriging. it may seem as if its become part of our nature but its not. people are like computers the program you install will yield the results of said program. we're just so damn far gone it makes people question if human nature is evil. its neither good nor evil its programmable. were constantly bombarded with poisonous programming.
 
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na man it starts with a healthy pregnancy and upbriging. it may seem as if its become part of our nature but its not. people are like computers the program you install will yield the results of said program. we're just so damn far gone it makes people question if human nature is evil. its neither good nor evil its programmable. 
So everyone is born with the same brain-pattern, emotional levels, and chemical make-up. That's against nature in itself fam. There's anomolies all the time in nature.
 
So everyone is born with the same brain-pattern, emotional levels, and chemical make-up. That's against nature in itself fam. There's anomolies all the time in nature.
i didnt say that. chemical makeup has to do with the region you live in the nutrients you receive during brain development etc etc and emotionally unstable people arent just born like that for no reason at all. i mentioned before primary psychopathy is in the 1-2% when it comes to human beings in general. there are all kinds of natural anomolies but lets not use that as an excuse for bad behavior.
 
i didnt say that. chemical makeup has to do with the region you live in the nutrients you receive during brain development etc etc and emotionally unstable people arent just born like that for no reason at all. i mentioned before primary psychopathy is in the 1-2% when it comes to human beings in general. there are all kinds of natural anomolies but lets not use that as an excuse for bad behavior.
Mental ******ation, dyslixia, sociopathic, psychopathic, depression, high axiety, low axiety, natural emotion response, natural problem solving skills, all variables we cannot control. For example, two kids born from the same stable household, yet they turn out completely different as a person, different careers paths, different interest, different ideologies.
 
No, I want the full page report. You live in the vague.

1-Mass Education?

Ok what is the curriculum, who decides it, who gather the materials, who produces the materials, how are they transported..........or are you saying everyone should be taught your ideology

2- No harming of sentient beings, really?

So we just assume everyone sticks to that forever? If a man tries to rape a woman, and she shoots him, then they both did stay within that "parameter". What is the punishment, is there a punishment?

You label "root causes" but the more you talk it sounds like you're saying "people just don't believe in my ideology". If your not, then spell out what will be taught.

Your system also sounds like it will cause the economy to contract greatly, how do we over come that?

-Stop for a second, how much government involvement your think it took for your and me to be talking on the internet right now. How will your system insure this type of innovation and industrial organization continues to happen?

Please provide concrete answers. Or pm links to resources that do

I'm seriously come at you with an open mind now
youre right i should be a lot more specific. when i say mass education i mean everybody needs to be educated on NATURAL LAW and HUMAN FREEDOM specifically. because the vast majority of us have no clue about these things and how they work therefore were ripe for the taking by con artists and dictators (government) 

this is not an ideology of mine. natural law is like gravity. it just is. you understand it and how it works or you dont. simple. either way IT JUST IS. 

and were comminicating with eachother here due to the innovation and work of people like you and me. if theyre employed by the government does it really matter? the end result is acheivable govt or not

I can show you a complete breakdown of these things and how they work but aint nobody got time to watch a 9 hour seminar
 
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Mental ******ation, dyslixia, sociopathic, psychopathic, depression, high axiety, low axiety, natural emotion response, natural problem solving skills, all variables we cannot control. For example, two kids born from the same stable household, yet they turn out completely different as a person, different careers paths, different interest, different ideologies.
i disagree with the first part. there is a CAUSE behind each one of those conditions and we can control that. 
 
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