EDIT: New Question, is LeBron the second greatest player of all time? So, has Steph Curry overtaken

Who is the best basketball player in the world?

  • LeBron James

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  • Steph Curry

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  • Russell Westbrook

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  • Kevin Durant

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  • Anthony Davis

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  • Other

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I'm still laughing at that list
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Klay is a really good defender he had to pick up all of Curry's slack, but his presence doesn't make the rest of the defense that much better.

Paul George came out of left field
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CP3 is good in his one on one match ups, he gets exposed from time to time.

KD improved as a defender but better than Lebron?
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None of these players are better defenders than Lebron.
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I'm out. Y'all have a nice day. 

Klay not a better defender than Bron? PG not a better defender than bron?

CP gets exposed even though he guards the best at his position EVERY night?

Do y'all even basketball man? Like for real. And you the same one that said Steph Curry not a Hall of Famer yet. Y'all really ridiculous and don't know hoops and I hate sounding like a "Bball elitist" but sheesh. Kawai, KD, CP, Draymond, Klay, PG, Deandre Jordan, are all better defenders than Lebron right now. 

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He can't and hasn't in 3 years man. I don't know what your watching, he's not even getting any lifetime achievement reps for all defensive team anymore since 2014.
 
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If you can guard 5 positions on the floor you are an elite defender. People are just mad he doesn't play with the same intensity on defense during the regular season. If i was guaranteed a place into the playoffs in a weak *** conference, I wouldn't be trying that hard either.


His defense in important games >>>>>

just wondering, on a nightly basis, who is lebron typically tasked with guarding especially when playing eastern conference teams? and is he constantly running thru picks to chase down his man or constantly forced to go over screens?
 
 
Dude shut up. If you aren't trolling, that may have been the worst basketball comment I've ever read on NT ever. You can't compare steph curry to Jordan Crawford or 15'-16' Kobe and have anything valid to say after that.

If you make 45% of your 3's on high volume, it doesn't matter if they're good or bad shots. The end. They are only bad if they don't go in. They didn't. (Even in the finals he shot 40% from 3) 
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A bad shot is still a bad shot. Curry takes bad shots
 
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Man the only place curry is as good or better than lebron defensively is analytic land
Right. Lebron wasn't getting cooked like Curry.

I repeat, just wondering, on a nightly basis, who is lebron typically tasked with guarding especially when playing eastern conference teams? and is he constantly running thru picks to chase down his man or constantly forced to go over screens?
 
MAANNN, I've said multiple times that Miami Lebron >>>>>>>>> Cleveland Lebron and it's not even close and nobody wants to hear it.
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Nobody arguing about that. He himself would tell you the same. 2014 Lebron was better than 2012 Lebron.

Fact still remains that this is his League. He owns it.
 
I repeat, just wondering, on a nightly basis, who is lebron typically tasked with guarding especially when playing eastern conference teams? and is he constantly running thru picks to chase down his man or constantly forced to go over screens?
Who Lebron gets cooked by?
 
I repeat, just wondering, on a nightly basis, who is lebron typically tasked with guarding especially when playing eastern conference teams? and is he constantly running thru picks to chase down his man or constantly forced to go over screens?


Who Lebron gets cooked by?

i ask because steph will defend ball dominant guards like lillard and westbrook, who get the best of most defenders on a nightly basis. meanwhile, lebron isn't expected to guard players who'll break their defenders down like that. Lebron CAN guard the 1, but is he doing consistently? yall act like steph hides behind klay on defense, but i beg to differ
 
Bron has never been a great on ball defender, he was good and elite at team defense at one point and time but he has far too many lapses and just poor efforts on a consistent basis to be even considered a good one let alone an elite one.
 
LeBron held MVP Derrick Rose to 9% shooting in the plays where he guarded him in the 2011 Eastern Conference Finals.

He completely neutralized Paul George in game 7 of the 2013 ECF and held him to 7 points on 2-9 shooting in 34 minutes.

He also neutralized Tony Parker in games 6 and 7 of the 2013 NBA finals:

Game 6: 19 points on 6-23 shooting

Game 7: 10 points on 3-12 shooting

Parker averaged 20.3 on .522 shooting that season and was all-NBA 2nd team.

LeBron has a very solid defensive resume. The highlights being coming in second twice in defensive player of the year voting and once leading all players in votes for all defensive teams. His advanced defensive stats throughout his career have been very solid. For example, he was 4th among all players in this year's playoffs in defensive box plus/minus. Overall, he's not a Pippen or a Kawhi Leonard in the history of the defensive small forwards, but he's in the tier right below.
 
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LeBron held MVP Derrick Rose to 9% shooting in the plays where he guarded him in the 2011 Eastern Conference Finals.
He completely neutralized Paul George in game 7 of the 2013 ECF and held him to 7 points on 2-9 shooting in 34 minutes.

He also neutralized Tony Parker in games 6 and 7 of the 2013 NBA finals:

Game 6: 19 points on 6-23 shooting
Game 7: 10 points on 3-12 shooting

Parker averaged 20.3 on .522 shooting that season and was all-NBA 2nd team.

LeBron has a very solid defensive resume. The highlights being coming in second twice in defensive player of the year voting and once leading all players in votes for all defensive teams. His advanced defensive stats throughout his career have been very solid. For example, he was 4th among all players in this year's playoffs in defensive box plus/minus. Overall, he's not a Pippen or a Kawhi Leonard in the history of the defensive small forwards, but he's in the tier right below.

But when we use these same numbers for Steph Curry...who absolutely shut down Russell Westbrook when he guarded him in the WCF....or show his good defense all season...y'all throw it out the window.


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You dudes want it both ways to fit your narrative. That is the problem.

Bron and Steph are above average defenders. They don't always lock down their man or have to stick the opposing best perimeter player...and that's ok. Because basketball is about TEAM DEFENSE...which they both are good at.

Dudes are shooting themselves in the foot right and left when they try to discredit one player for another. These are two of the top 2 or 3 players in the league. Both have multiple MVPs and a championship to their names.

It's fun to hate on Bron and hate on Steph. I won't argue the comedy in that. But when ppl start buying into this foolish hot takes without properly understanding basketball....it becomes exhausting.

Steph didn't play up to his standard this year. For whatever reason. Bron hasn't played up to his standards in some finals as well. They are still all time great players. Ppl gotta actually sit back and look at the bigger picture.

Some of you ***** are clueless.
 
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But when we use these same numbers for Steph Curry...who absolutely shut down Russell Westbrook when he guarded him in the WCF....or show his good defense all season...y'all throw it out the window.

You dudes want it both ways to fit your narrative. That is the problem.

Bron and Steph are above average defenders. They don't always lock down their man or have to stick the opposing best perimeter player...and that's ok. Because basketball is about TEAM DEFENSE...which they both are good at.

Dudes are shooting themselves in the foot right and left when they try to discredit one player for another. These are two of the top 2 or 3 players in the league. Both have multiple MVPs and a championship to their names.

It's fun to hate on Bron and hate on Steph. I won't argue the comedy in that. But when ppl start buying into this foolish hot takes without properly understanding basketball....it becomes exhausting.

Steph didn't play up to his standard this year. For whatever reason. Bron hasn't played up to his standards in some finals as well. They are still all time great players. Ppl gotta actually sit back and look at the bigger picture.

Some of you ***** are clueless.
The fact that you think that you can somehow make them about equal defenders by putting them in the same sentence is comical. One has two 2nd place finishes in DPOY voting, while the other has zero defensive credentials whatsoever. But yeah, they're right about equal defensively.

Westbrook torched Curry in the conference finals and outplayed him overall, despite the end result of the series which Klay and not Steph won for them in game 6. And all throughout the season Curry was torched by opposing point guards. Almost all star PGs had their game of the season against the Warriors this year, topped by the 50 point game by Lillard. Matthew friggin Dellavedova dropped a career high 20 points on him in last year's finals.

Cleveland running the "give it to whoever is guarded by Curry" offense is a big part of why they won. And that poorly defended Irving 3 point dagger in Curry's face sums up Curry's defense.

All this is predictable though. I can actually remember people writing mini essays about how Steve Nash "actually wasn't that bad of a defender" in his MVP years too, so no wonder the same is done for Curry who although better than Nash defensively is still a bad defender.
 
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The fact that you think that you can somehow make them about equal defenders by putting them in the same sentence is comical. One has two 2nd place finishes in DPOY voting, while the other has zero defensive credentials whatsoever. But yeah, they're right about equal defensively.

Westbrook torched Curry in the conference finals and outplayed him overall, despite the end result of the series which Klay and not Steph won for them in game 6. And all throughout the season Curry was torched by opposing point guards. Almost all star PGs had their game of the season against the Warriors this year, topped by the 50 point game by Lillard. Matthew friggin Dellavedova dropped a career high 20 points on him in last year's finals.

Cleveland running the "give it to whoever is guarded by Curry" offense is a big part of why they won. And that poorly defended Irving 3 point dagger in Curry's face sums up Curry's defense.

All this is predictable though. I can actually remember people writing mini essays about how Steve Nash "actually wasn't that bad of a defender" in his MVP years too, so no wonder the same is done for Curry who although better than Nash defensively is still a bad defender.

There are numerous tapes and numbers to prove the point about curry holding his ownn defensively against the elite PG's of this league...they've been posted in here numerous times. But brick walls like you refuse to acknowledge it.

Again. This thread proves who really understands and KNOWS basketball...versus the ones who watch first take 24/7, and lack critical thinking skills. The latter is you.
 
You can make out of context tapes to show anything. You can make a video showing that Joel Anthony is a beastly offensive player. Hell, you can make a vid that shows Andre Drummond is an excellent free throw shooter.

And I can assure you I watched plenty of Curry this season. I watched every second of the finals and I saw how the main offensive play for the Cavs was "pass it to whoever is guarded by Curry".
 
My thing is. We just seen lebron show off defensiively when it mattered most... He was very draymond like in going up straight and contesting EVERYTHING... He was showing flat out effort in switching and contesting.. Chase down blocks were just the cherry on top..

Narratives are allowed to change guys.. And yes.. Watching lebrons dominant series, while steph was a target all series (even shump was attacking when he got the switch ) it made me look at them differently..

IM not taking away from Steph's season, easily one of the most absurd and impressive seasons I've ever seen...

But I'm gonna give brons postseaseaon the nod.. We're talking about maxing out ones talents? We saw the level lebron can ascend to when he takes it there.. And credit needs to be given.. The cavs team defense directly correlates with his defense.. No coincidence that when bron turnt things up a notch the cavs team d began to suffocate the best team ever...

Dare I say I've never seen a player in that zone before? Dirks playoff run was crazy, and he clowned on OKC that year. But you gotta give bron love man..

Everything y'all ain't he can't do, he just did on the biggest stage against the best team ever.. Not to mention against the best defensive team of the last two years...
 
finally some people making sense in here, let's just kill this now and move on to the next Lebron hatin' point. :lol:

Dude. They said Paul George was a better 2 way player than lebron :smh:

They swear they spitting gospel but put bron and steph on the same level defensively like bron ain't Ray Lewis out there :smh:

It's just hard to admit that bron is on a level of his own and is a man amongst boys out there.

If you really want to talk about someone being overrated on defense them we can switch this convo to Chris Paul :nerd:
 
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Y'all really trynna compare Curry to Bron on defense like LeBron didn't have multiple blocks on game 7 along with the play that will define his career, the block on Iggy that maybe 2 other guys in League history might've been able to do? I get trynna discredit Bron, but acting like him & Steph are comparable on defense is a joke.
 
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