Boy stars in Barbie commercial

heLiumcLinton said:
EvansST said:
DCAllAmerican said:
This is the world yall want
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Honestly, I don't care what other people do. People are allowed to make their own choices in life.

Cliché disclaimer over*

But can anyone explain to me how exposing a child to homosexuality at such an early age is beneficial?

I live in SF and I see kids at the Pride parade every year where alcohol induced people are dressed with little to nothing on, and I wonder how is that beneficial for kids?
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Learning to treat others equally, with no prejudgment taught by their parents like they're some unknown species will be beneficial for the next generation.
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Is there a better way of doing that though?

I don't see how this

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is "learning to treat others equally, with no prejudgment taught by their parents like they're some unknown species will be beneficial for the next generation."
 
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Am I the only one that remembers this gem of a post?
knowledgebones72 said:
Culture of hyper-masculinity regardless of the realities of normal human existance = emasculation of the black man

this is all just a result of it.

all those dudes in prison for chasing what they thought was the image of a "Real N" have been successfully emasculated. They're in cages, having to fight for their lives and buttholes, living a sub-human existance at the beck and call of a group of powerful, old, white men.

these emsculated dudes somehow convinced all young black men that this is how we're all supposed to be as men: that we're supposed to act and follow in the actions of those who have been fully and successfully emasculated. Sell drugs like this emasculated man who doesn't hold any value in education. Smash mad broads and disrespect women like this emasculated man who has no sense of family and has children he doesn't take care of (that emasculation: a real man takes care of his kids). Be quick to anger and violence like this emasculated man who has no sense of community and has no idea how to handle situations without screaming and becoming violent like a dangerous 4 year old with a weapon.

THAT'S the emasculation. We're just all up in arms about a bi-product of it.

But, whatever. Let's not get into the real heart of the issue.
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illmatic34 said:
EvansST said:
Is there a better way of doing that though?

I don't see how this

is "learning to treat others equally, with no prejudgment taught by their parents like they're some unknown species will be beneficial for the next generation."
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You're confusing this with the whole representation of homosexuality. You've cherry picked examples to convey this.
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I'm not confusing anything.

My first post in this thread (which no one answered) was


But can anyone explain to me how exposing a child to homosexuality at such an early age is beneficial?

I live in SF and I see kids at the Pride parade every year where alcohol induced people are dressed with little to nothing on, and I wonder how is that beneficial for kids?
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pretty tony said:
Someone who understands psychology understands that these things aren't as black and white to suggest a "choice" is being made when it comes to sexuality.

Scientists consider a **** ton of other variables when it comes to studying this topic. Who said that the only two possibilities are being born with a predisposed sexuality or choosing one?
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I'd be interested in seeing the studies that suggest that sexuality is a choice...do you have any links?
 
lobotomybeats said:
Any good father wouldn't want their child to deny themselves their true feelings. Bigoted or not, a good father would want their child to be happy.

The fathers who have issues with their son's homosexuality or their playing with a girl's toy do so because they think of it as an affront to their own masculinity. These are the people who, in error, think of gender as some rigid construct. Bad dads feel like failures and feel less masculine if their son is gay. Inversely, you are actually a failure as a parent if your child feels like they can't seek happiness, and be who they truly are, because of you.

"Pa said there must be a mistake
how can my son not be straight
after all I've said and done for him"

- "The Killing of Georgie (Part 1 and 2)" by Rod Stewart


It's the same idiots who cry about the "emasculation of society" and have their own antiquated ideas of what being a man is. Their own insecurities are part of the problem. The problem isn't the clouding binary, it's misogyny and bigotry. The binary is bull ****. You rarely hear mothers complain about their daughters being "tomboys." Why? Why isn't a young girl adopting historically masculine qualities met with such fervor? Why don't fathers see that as a sign of their failure? Because being "manly" is commendable and being womanly is an insult to their masculinity.

Hopefully, evolution will leave these people behind.

I have a 3-year old boy and a 1-year old girl. They play with each other's toys all the time. Do I care? Of course not. Why don't I care? Because I'm a good dad.

The only way I will feel like a failure is if my child feels like they are being kept from true happiness because of me.
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This needs just as many reps as your epic PS gifs get my man, well said.


Methodical Management said:
Any challenge to gender norms is deemed a threat to masculinity/male privilege.  
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Sad and true.


AZwildcats said:
I also dont see anything wrong with having young boys and girls understand the notion of certain things are for them, certain things are for the opposite gender.
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This is the exact archaic perspective that needs to be eradicated. Why does anything have to be designated to one specific gender?
 
PLVN said:
I'd be interested in seeing the studies that suggest that sexuality is a choice...do you have any links?
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I'm not sure how this is your question after my post.

I said that these types of things ARENT as simple as believing people are making a choice on their sexuality. So any links I pull for you that suggests that they are making a choice would contradict what I said.
 
pretty tony said:
Someone who understands psychology understands that these things aren't as black and white to suggest a "choice" is being made when it comes to sexuality.

Scientists consider a **** ton of other variables when it comes to studying this topic. Who said that the only two possibilities are being born with a predisposed sexuality or choosing one?
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I'm pretty sure most of us just come to the realization we like the opposite sex. Ask a gay man or woman if this is the case for them. Plenty of gay folks come from middle class/wealthy backgrounds with both parents in their lives. Just as much as you think there isn't credence to the whole "people can't choose sexuality" thing or "people are born gay", there isn't any evidence suggesting broken homes, low income households, abusive parents, etc. lead to a homosexual "lifestyle"
 
sharpshooter718 said:
dmbrhs said:
Except Moschino is an Italian luxury brand, and this Barbie was a $150 special edition that is already sold out. And the boy in the ad is supposed to depict Moschino's director as a child. The ad will have little effect on anyone.
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i really wanted to stay out of thks thread but to insinuate that this ad will have little effect is certainly not true. What about the kids who see a zesty lil boy playing with barbie and think its cool. Dont tell me kids make up their own minds about what they want because we all know kids are very impressionable and will emulate what they think is cool.
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word.


ksteezy said:
There are dolls for boys, I don't see the need for a boy to rock out with a Barbie tho...this is the epitome of TRYING TOO HARD....I can only imagine the coaching he got while making this commercial..."hey give us more sassssss meeeooow" so silly.
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agreed.


DCAllAmerican said:
ksteezy said:
There are dolls for boys, I don't see the need for a boy to rock out with a Barbie tho...this is the epitome of TRYING TOO HARD....I can only imagine the coaching he got while making this commercial..."hey give us more sassssss meeeooow" so silly.
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Exactly, but for us that aren't cool with that, why do we have to be labeled intolerant, bigots, etc. Why can't we just NOT be cool with our sons being in situations like that?
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STRONG this



i think the kid might be a jeremy scott reference, but barbies aren't aimed aimed at boys...i won't lose sleep over it tho.
 
illmatic34 said:
I'm pretty sure most of us just come to the realization we like the opposite sex. Ask a gay man or woman if this is the case for them. Plenty of gay folks come from middle class/wealthy backgrounds with both parents in their lives. Just as much as you think there isn't credence to the whole "people can't choose sexuality" thing or "people are born gay", there isn't any evidence suggesting broken homes, low income households, abusive parents, etc. lead to a homosexual "lifestyle"
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There are plenty of other variables that suggest that there are indeed other factors that can contribute to someone's sexuality. PLENTY.

For example, there is a considerable amount of homosexual males that have suggested being molested by men at an early age may have influenced their sexuality. I'll use Penn State as an example. Several of the accusers are homosexual males. You think that's merely a coincidence?

Or what about the women who've had traumatic experiences of abuse and neglect at the hands of men and eventually move on to other women? Were they too born that way...or were those variables I mentioned possibly a factor.

I have a cousin who is a lesbian. She witnessed her mom getting the **** beat out of her by boyfriend after boyfriend. Her own father died before she was born and she had not a single male in her life with any redeeming qualities. Her mother eventually began Dating women around the time she was 7 or 8.

Today, she identifies as a lesbian herself. Again I ask, are you telling that she was 100% placed on this earth to live as a homosexual and there is absolutely no way shape or form that her life experiences may have contributed to her sexuality?

Like I said...these things are NOT black and white. It is not a fact that every person that identifies as a homosexual was BORN with a predetermined sexuality.
 
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illmatic34 said:
EvansST said:
Is there a better way of doing that though?

I don't see how this

is "learning to treat others equally, with no prejudgment taught by their parents like they're some unknown species will be beneficial for the next generation."
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You're confusing this with the whole representation of homosexuality. You've cherry picked examples to convey this.
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How is that? I never said that this was a entire representation. All I asked was how is does that support what you stated?

I'm from SF and this was my first encounter with homosexuality. I didn't see any "altruistic benefit for humanity" by being present among men scantly dressed as a kid. I saw people living their fantasies while having no cares for that kids were around.
 
pretty tony said:
I have a cousin who is a lesbian. She witnessed her mom getting the **** beat out of her by boyfriend after boyfriend. Her own father died before she was born and she had not a single male in her life with any redeeming qualities. Her mother eventually began Dating women around the time she was 7 or 8.

Today, she identifies as a lesbian herself. Again I ask, are you telling that she was 100% placed on this earth to live as a homosexual and there is absolutely no way shape or form that her life experiences may have contributed to her sexuality?

Like I said...these things are NOT black and white. It is not a fact that every person that identifies as a homosexual was BORN with a predetermined sexuality.
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Interested in seeing responses for this..........
 
pretty tony said:
There are plenty of other variables that suggest that there are indeed other factors that can contribute to someone's sexuality. PLENTY.

For example, there is a considerable amount of homosexual males that have suggested being molested by men at an early age may have influenced their sexuality. I'll use Penn State as an example. Several of the accusers are homosexual males. You think that's merely a coincidence?

Or what about the women who've had traumatic experiences of abuse and neglect at the hands of men and eventually move on to other women? Were they too born that way...or were those variables I mentioned possibly a factor.

I have a cousin who is a lesbian. She witnessed her mom getting the **** beat out of her by boyfriend after boyfriend. Her own father died before she was born and she had not a single male in her life with any redeeming qualities. Her mother eventually began Dating women around the time she was 7 or 8.

Today, she identifies as a lesbian herself. Again I ask, are you telling that she was 100% placed on this earth to live as a homosexual and there is absolutely no way shape or form that her life experiences may have contributed to her sexuality?

Like I said...these things are NOT black and white. It is not a fact that every person that identifies as a homosexual was BORN with a predetermined sexuality.
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I have aunt who is gay. Grew up in a middle class household. Parents were not abusive, in fact the nicest people you can be around. She had kids with a guy but there was always suspicion she was gay. Only until the past few years has she publicly outed herself.

I have an uncle who is gay. Same circumstances. Parents were extremely nice, not abusive, but it was clear to his dad that he was gay from an early age and he treated himself a bit differently than his two sisters.

I have a cousin who is gay. Parents divorced at an early age and she never liked her stepdad. She didn't come out until recently but looking back it was clear she never had a thing for dudes. Never mentioned any boys she'd talk to or admit any attraction to any guy. So it wasn't exactly surprising.

Can factors affect sexuality? Possibly. But to shoehorn people into thinking you are gay solely because you lived in an abusive household or were raped or molested is highly disingenuous.
 
illmatic34 said:
I have aunt who is gay. Grew up in a middle class household. Parents were not abusive, in fact the nicest people you can be around. She had kids with a guy but there was always suspicion she was gay. Only until the past few years has she publicly outed herself.

I have an uncle who is gay. Same circumstances. Parents were extremely nice, not abusive, but it was clear to his dad that he was gay from an early age and he treated himself a bit differently than his two sisters.

I have a cousin who is gay. Parents divorced at an early age and she never liked her stepdad. She didn't come out until recently but looking back it was clear she never had a thing for dudes. Never mentioned any boys she'd talk to or admit any attraction to any guy. So it wasn't exactly surprising.

Can factors affect sexuality? Possibly. But to shoehorn people into thinking you are gay solely because you lived in an abusive household or were raped or molested is highly disingenuous.
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But who the hell said that?

I simply provided an example that counters the belief that all homosexuals were born homosexual.

Show me where I tried to shoehorn people into thinking that all homosexuals are from abusive households or were raped or molested.

This is the second time now that you accuse of me saying or suggesting something that I didn't. It's hard to have a decent conversation with some of you dudes because when you get challenged you react by making **** up to save face.
 
pretty tony said:
But who the hell said that?

I simply provided an example that counters the belief that all homosexuals were born homosexual.

Show me where I tried to shoehorn people into thinking that all homosexuals are from abusive households or were raped or molested.

This is the second time now that you accuse of me saying or suggesting something that I didn't. It's hard to have a decent conversation with some of you dudes because when you get challenged you react by making **** up to save face.
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OK.

Just explain to me why you personally have so much opposition to homosexuality.
 
illmatic34 said:
OK.

Just explain to me why you personally have so much opposition to homosexuality.
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Ok. I see this is what you do.

When all else fails...try to paint the person you're debating under whatever negative light you can.

anything that counters your opinion must mean "hositility".
 
pretty tony said:
Ok. I see this is what you do.

When all else fails...try to paint the person you're debating under whatever negative light you can.

anything that counters your opinion must mean "hositility".
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Oh? Cause on the last page you were bothered by scantily clad men. I'm not gay, I don't have attraction to men, but guess what? I don't care about those pics because I'm not repulsed by them. So tell me that it doesn't bother you, cause it does.
 
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