Two NYPD cops shot in the BX

SneakerHeathen said:

I haven't stereotyped the rest at all. Please show me one instance in this thread that I've done that.


Again, speaking about unconstitutional policies & practices that they operate by (and lobby to keep in place) isn't a stereotype. It's a matter of fact.


The blue wall of silence, not a stereotype.


Simply enforcing unconstitutional laws, alienating entire communities, wrecking people's lives, that's apart of their job. They have discretion to a degree but for the most part they HAVE to arrest people for BS. When they take that a step further and employ unconstitutional methods to do their jobs, that's just unforgivable.



For that reason alone they're agents of oppression. Instead of more police and prisons, people need more rehabilitation. Unions don't want budget cuts, they don't want their numbers to dwindle. They don't want laws to change because that endangers their careers..

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SneakerHeathen said:

Yes, I mentioned this earlier in the thread and I've spoken about it a few times in previous threads.

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GetBack said:

Oh and I forgot to tell you that you that last post was and argument from ignorance, since logical fallacies seem to be like some sort of flexing in here.

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Wrecking peoples' lives is a part of their job? What are you referring to?

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ksteezy said:

Mind a recap?....makes cents you feel the way you do....guess we just two different people, I've been arrested, harassed, physically mistreated, not really beat, but def shoved, pushed, cuffed, pinned simply for being out on the street...still I grew up to know that there is an institution and then there is individuals.

Maybe your abuse was more extensive and unwarranted and harder to grow passed it tho....

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Yeah, got assaulted by a DT in Queens sometime back. He had stopped next to me on the opposite side of the road while I was stopped at the redlight (doing nothing wrong).


He drove up in an unmarked brand new Impala, with 2 other DTs and just started grilling me....(I didn't know they were cops, plain clothes, no badges, 3 people)

So I started grilling back....


officer 1: You got a staring problem? I owe you money or something?
Me: Are you @*!& serious?
officer 2: @*^! you punk....


At that point I got heated, I lost my cool and I threatened them...

Thats when they threw on the lights and came after me....

I get my ID ready and when I look up *bam* officer 2 hit me with his flash light then grabbed my neck to try and pull me out.

The other officers as well as those whom were with me defused the situation and the officer eventually apologized. He was way out of line, they even searched w/o consent.

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SneakerHeathen said:

I've made that pretty clear by now. Not going to offer an abridged version, nor am I going to repeat myself. Read through my posts in this thread and I'm pretty sure you'll get the picture of how they hurt communities and the people that live in them.

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SneakerHeathen said:

Here is me talking about it back in '08 in this thread http://niketalk.com/t/117325/so-with-the-influx-of-cops-in-nyc.
There have been other incidents, from being stop & frisked, to being arrested on trumped up charges that I had to come out of pocket to beat.

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ksteezy said:

You do understand nobody is disagreeing with you on that?...the police force as an institution is flawed...we all know this, this has been known for decades....I don't know why you feel anyone is claiming anything different

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ksteezy said:

Sorry you went through that, like you I'm sure many of us, myself included have similar if not worst experiences than that....you ran into bad people with a badge, plenty of those....I wonder if your experiences with cops were instead all peachy if you would still feel the way you do...

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SneakerHeathen said:

I'm not insinuating that anyone is claiming otherwise.


I've been simply talking about what the issues are and there are quite a few of you that insist on drawing conclusions on how I feel on a personal level.



Again, it's never been about that. I've said that there are well-intentioned officers out there, it doesn't change the fact that they have to uphold unconstitutional laws and have to employ unconstitutional practices.





For that reason, I cannot forgive anyone who considers all of that and still decides to join a broken police system. I mean what more do you want me to say? I can't pardon that.

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ksteezy said:

See I'm with you all the way to your last post....you claim is not personal, but it is....you are scorned, we all are to an extent, some of us been able to grow passed out experiences....you and others haven't and that's cool...

you still holding individuals accountable for a career choice, not really knowing their motives for joining...maybe they always dreamt of being a cop, maybe they needed to make ends meet to raise a child, maybe they love to protect and catch bad guys or of course maybe they just thirst for power and for sure will abuse it and the institution as a whole is designed to give bad people a badge and the power to abuse civil rights for sure....doesn't mean that every cop alive walks that path....and that's where the disconnect between you and me and others in here is.

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SneakerHeathen said:

Before that incident, I still felt that our justice system and the individual agencies that comprised the system were flawed.



I'm not trying to make it seem like we can spot reduce these issues, like if we just changed how cops operated everything would be good and well.


It's a much broader issue than that. From law-making in this country, to how we "rehab" offenders (really just a money scam) down to what/where cops spend their days having to police.



They have to lock-up a lot of nonviolent offenders and while I'm sure a lot of officers would like to see the war on drugs for example end, they're still not really coming together on a united front to change anything. I've heard cops say "well I don't think that ______ is an effective use of our resources." Okay YOU know that officer, yet there you still are. Why aren't you and your fellow officers doing anything to change that?


They're one of the biggest lobby forces in the nation, they do have the power to make a lot of waves on the legislation end of things. Obviously, the majority of cops don't really want anything to change for financial incentives.



That's my problem b. It's been my ******* problem. Cops who mean well, in spite of all the BS, still condone that ****. I don't see how we can just turn a blind eye, or for that matter how they can.



But I get it, they're just trying to make ends meet, right? Sometimes putting bread on the table, isn't even worth it if it means ******* over your fellow man.

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SneakerHeathen said:

Not pardoning officers who carry-on in-spite all that's wrong with their profession, I mean that's not me being scorned, that's me not turning being an apologist.



Not going to make excuses for others. If they're not coming together on a united front to change things with their political influence, why should I forgive their transgressions against those they're supposed to serve?



People always have a choice in their careers. There are plenty of wars to earn a living, being apart of something that leads to the suffering of others doesn't need to be one of them.

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ksteezy said:

Tell that to the thousands of unemployed Americans bro....matter fact you don't even have to go that far, go have a talk with the dudes in the Official Unemplyed NTers thread

You think there is a choice.

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SneakerHeathen said:

There is absolutely a choice.



That's where it becomes a macro issue. If we weren't building prisons and precincts, we'd perhaps be building more schools and rehabilitation centers (with a true emphasis on rehabilitation, not the current model that forces many to pay for their rehabilitation).



Again unions vote-in certain politicians that ensures their professions are safe from policy-change.



Best way to combat drugs in this nation? Decriminalization. What do you think however, that would mean for police officers?




There's always a different way. Always. It starts with a psychological climate change of how Americans think our justice system should operate.



Reason why I go so hard at cats who think it's fine for people who remain officers in spite of all that's wrong with their profession. We need more people to consider alternative models.



With a different model, comes different opportunities for employment. Don't think for one second that there wouldn't be ways for people to make a living.

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ksteezy said:

There are cops constantly fighting a moral battle within themselves, these are also victims fam....once you are in there and this is your livelihood you are faced with hard choices...we all have things we hate about our jobs, I work in the medical field, trust me I see grimey **** go down often...but I can't just quit or report my coworkers, make myself a target and eventually finding myself without a job.....doesn't make me a bad person tho...just someone who needs a job to survive, like many cops who have kids and wives to look after and know that if there is anything cops hate more, is a dry snitching cop....so I don't fault good dudes for simply putting their heads down....this is something bigger than them as well.....a couple of good cops are not gonna change our entire system....they will just be marking themselves to be alienated and losing their livelihood.....the blue code of silence will only protect you if you stay silent....***** gotta be intimidating.


Now I get your point that they once had the choice and took that path in the first place, perhaps...alot of these dudes are young guys not even 23 still trying to figure out life....maybe even naive at that point and simply get caught up in the system.

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ksteezy said:

But you do know nothing will change, that's just the reality, all the information you may harness isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme....people will still need jobs, being a cop IS a job at the end of the day one that brings security to your kin unlike many others....at the end of the day, people are just trying to keep above water, imagine if one of your parents was a police officer?...would you expect him/her to quit and risk your livelihood?...do you think they would quit knowing that more than likely YOU will suffer the most....what do you think should be more important, your kids/family or being part of a system that regardless of your stance will continue to run how is gonna run?...don't be naive bro...is not as easy as "oh this job sucks, is unfair to us all, PEACE I'm going to apply at the McDonalds down the block"

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SneakerHeathen said:

I have a lot of healthcare professionals in my family.


I'd absolutely expect them to quit their jobs if they were working at a hospital where patients were getting hurt or killed because of misconduct.



I myself, if I ever do complete my journey to become an attorney, would never work for an unscrupulous firm.



People always have a choice man. Sometimes that requires them sacrificing their livelihood temporarily, but there's always a better way. Always.

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ksteezy said:

Bro, ALL hospitals do their dirt, ALL OF THEM....it often times gets swept under the rug and dealt with internally to avoid media coverage and things getting out of hand, no different than the police force...Doctors mistakes are often covered up with dirt, that's a fact bro...exposing an individual's malpractice males the entire institution look bad...so is dealt with...but people still die, so I suggest you go and tell your family members to quit their jobs bro....because this happens at every medical facility.

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ksteezy said:

When you have people depending on you, the choice isn't as clear, I understand expecting that from a young single dude...still wouldn't judge them as harshly as you do if they decide to stay with the career you chose, but they have more leg room, but picture a husband telling his wife "hunny we might be homeless and the kids might be taken from us because as of now I quit my job because it isn't morally right for me to be there"

Yeah picture that...

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SneakerHeathen said:

I've let it be known how I feel about misconduct in healthcare. I've had pretty heated discussions. I don't talk to certain cousins as a result.



The others own their own practices and they run them with integrity.



My lady currently works for two separate hospitals with stellar track records. As far as her department, she has yet to come across any misconduct. She's the last one I'd expect to put up with that ****. She's nearly come to blows with her colleagues in a previous hospital because another nurse she was working with was neglecting her patients.



I wouldn't let that **** ride in my family bro. At all.

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ksteezy said:

You are straighter than the lines on a notebook...crazy ironic given the career choice you made, wish you the best kid....life can throw us all some curves and hope you are ready to handle them all without sacrificing your stance, specially if you feel so strongly about it you've let it come between family.

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