Air Jordan 11 Space Jam-December 10, 2016-$220

turbospartan said:
As I mentioned in a previous post, 30% ROI on any "investment" isn't bad by any means.   I think people are dogging reselling for a few reasons.  One being that a lot of people actually WANT the shoe to WEAR, while resellers (with bots, backdoor connections, etc.) all get multiple pairs and sell for max profit, especially here on this forum.  It is a "community" that originally started as a place for sneakerheads to talk / work together, but now it is basically resellers heaven.  

Next, I think it is important to realize that while you made $60 profit (or whatever), if you value your time it actually comes out to less than $60.   By the time you buy them (locking up funds, if that is an issue - which it is for some people, or the cost of the bot / ATC if used), then you pay for shipping to you, then receive and possibly store them (not a problem for a couple pairs, but if you are a "full-time reseller" you may need a lot of space), then have to list them on eBay / StockX / GOAT / PayPal which all have their respective fees, shipping costs to those venues or directly to your buyer, and even then may need to go through the headache of someone filing a claim / chargeback.... you can see why some people don't really think it is worth the $60 "profit". 
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The dollar profit is $60 but whats the economic cost? Time, gas, hassle..... It reminds me of when people line up for black friday deals a few days ahead. Instead of sitting in the cold, I could work those three days and have enough money to where the discount doesn't even matter. Comes down to is the $60 worth your time.
 
I wouldn't resell a shoe unless I was making $200+ profit, dudes do the most to get a $30 profit. All that driving around forget that I rather work a full day.
 
Retro11 said:
 
I failed on launch day and on the subsequent restocks so I just bucked up and bought a pair for $270 shipped from grailed.  I hate paying resale but I have dropped to ball on trying to secure a pair for retail so I just gave up.
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Thats just $20 over what most cats paid for on NT from SNKRS, FTL, FNL, EB, Champs online. you won.
 
On the other side, people paying $280-$300 online for these might be worth it to them because of convienence. Time/effort/gas/work time off saved, while having the pair shipped directly to their door. To some it's a hassle even taking off work to put in raffle tix on a chance they don't win.
 
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turbospartan said:
 
As I mentioned in a previous post, 30% ROI on any "investment" isn't bad by any means.   I think people are dogging reselling for a few reasons.  One being that a lot of people actually WANT the shoe to WEAR, while resellers (with bots, backdoor connections, etc.) all get multiple pairs and sell for max profit, especially here on this forum.  It is a "community" that originally started as a place for sneakerheads to talk / work together, but now it is basically resellers heaven.  

Next, I think it is important to realize that while you made $60 profit (or whatever), if you value your time it actually comes out to less than $60.   By the time you buy them (locking up funds, if that is an issue - which it is for some people, or the cost of the bot / ATC if used), then you pay for shipping to you, then receive and possibly store them (not a problem for a couple pairs, but if you are a "full-time reseller" you may need a lot of space), then have to list them on eBay / StockX / GOAT / PayPal which all have their respective fees, shipping costs to those venues or directly to your buyer, and even then may need to go through the headache of someone filing a claim / chargeback.... you can see why some people don't really think it is worth the $60 "profit". 
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maxdunker said:
$60 "profit" a shoe is relative to what you did to score these and what you're taking into account as your overhead.

If you scored via an app and just walked in to a mall picked up thats $240 out the gate. Throw $20 shipping on top of that to cover USPS and signature confirmation. Subtract your paypal and or ebay fees if you selling online. So If you sold these for $300 that's 300-240-20-12 (paypal fees)= $28 NET profit. Again all relative to what you're selling for, what shipping method you're using and vs meetup. And that's $300 in a flooded market where MANY people are dropping prices because they can't sit on 4-5 pairs for a long time.

If you sell for $350 again the math comes into play to find out exactly what you get.

it's not about being lazy into making money it's about factoring in all aspects of what it took you to attain the product you're selling. Hence if you drove all around town, camped and hit multiple stores to make $60 a shoe, you're foregoing putting a price on your time which is the mistake alot of people make.
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You guys are thinking way too hard about this. Literally tapped a few times on my phone while on a flight, waited a few days for them to ship to my office, made a listing, attached a label and had UPS pick it up the next day. Even for $5, two minutes of my time is worth it.
 
GInfante said:
On the other side, people paying $280-$300 online for these might be worth it to them because of convienence. Time/effort/gas/work time off saved, while having the pair shipped directly to their door. To some it's a hassle even taking off work to put in raffle tix on a chance they don't win.
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I agree
 
BoldNewBFlakes said:
 
I wouldn't resell a shoe unless I was making $200+ profit, dudes do the most to get a $30 profit. All that driving around forget that I rather work a full day.
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Who still drives for shoes? 
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relaxmedia said:
You guys are thinking way too hard about this. Literally tapped a few times on my phone while on a flight, waited a few days for them to ship to my office, made a listing, attached a label and had UPS pick it up the next day. Even for $5, two minutes of my time is worth it.
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Ya thats a total personal choice. $5 isn't worth 2 minutes of time to me. If i was at a store and they forgot the $5 discount or didn't have my $5 change and i was waiting as they figured it out, I'd just tell them to not worry about it and leave. Personal preference.
 
My Nike+ reserved pair finally came in today (Live out in Cali)

I'm super excited to see them, but I promised my wife I wouldn't even open the box since these are supposed to be my Christmas gift from her :lol:
I could care less that it's not a surprise, I'm happy I got a guaranteed pair and the wifey is paying for em. :smokin

Come onnnnnn Christmas. Got me feeling like a kid again.
 
Waiting on these Space Jams like I have had a kid cooking in my girls stomach for 9 months. Come on Mr. UPS man!!!!!!!
 
cutthroat said:
Ya thats a total personal choice. $5 isn't worth 2 minutes of time to me. If i was at a store and they forgot the $5 discount or didn't have my $5 change and i was waiting as they figured it out, I'd just tell them to not worry about it and leave. Personal preference.
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If you're earning more than $2.50 per minute, you're doing well. Salute. 

That's over $150 per hour. 
 
relaxmedia said:
 
You guys are thinking way too hard about this. Literally tapped a few times on my phone while on a flight, waited a few days for them to ship to my office, made a listing, attached a label and had UPS pick it up the next day. Even for $5, two minutes of my time is worth it.
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I'm just pointing out whether or not it is worth the time.  Your case is a bit different, and it is setup as more efficient than a lot of these other resellers. 

There are dudes that spend hours and hours scouring this thread, Twitter, paying for bots, etc. just to resell.   There are guys that drive around for hours going to different raffles, downloading and installing scripts, GPS spoofing apps, installing programs to "jig" Confirmed for how fast you can tap the button, etc, etc. 

It's obviously a net positive for some people, or else they wouldn't keep doing it.  What is being discussed is how much is it worth it.  On Yeezys, its probably worth it because you're making 100-300% profit.  On a shoe where you're making $60 profit, its a lot more questionable. 
 
relaxmedia said:
 
Clearly one where I'm not driving and sitting around for something I might not get.
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I'm in the same boat as you, I don't drive to get a shoe that's not guaranteed for me. I was mainly talking to people who drive 40 minutes, stand out in the cold just to get $30 in profit.
 
relaxmedia said:
 
Who still drives for shoes? 
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I actually hate ordering shoes online and would prefer driving and picking up a pair. Hell that's how I am with everything. Extremely impatient when it comes to ordering stuff online, id be paranoid checking every couple minutes like you guys do here lol.
 
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turbospartan said:
As I mentioned in a previous post, 30% ROI on any "investment" isn't bad by any means.   I think people are dogging reselling for a few reasons.  One being that a lot of people actually WANT the shoe to WEAR, while resellers (with bots, backdoor connections, etc.) all get multiple pairs and sell for max profit, especially here on this forum.  It is a "community" that originally started as a place for sneakerheads to talk / work together, but now it is basically resellers heaven.  

Next, I think it is important to realize that while you made $60 profit (or whatever), if you value your time it actually comes out to less than $60.   By the time you buy them (locking up funds, if that is an issue - which it is for some people, or the cost of the bot / ATC if used), then you pay for shipping to you, then receive and possibly store them (not a problem for a couple pairs, but if you are a "full-time reseller" you may need a lot of space), then have to list them on eBay / StockX / GOAT / PayPal which all have their respective fees, shipping costs to those venues or directly to your buyer, and even then may need to go through the headache of someone filing a claim / chargeback.... you can see why some people don't really think it is worth the $60 "profit". 
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The dollar profit is $60 but whats the economic cost? Time, gas, hassle..... It reminds me of when people line up for black friday deals a few days ahead. Instead of sitting in the cold, I could work those three days and have enough money to where the discount doesn't even matter. Comes down to is the $60 worth your time.
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I have to be VERY careful with what I say. I have to tip toe around this topic because I just got in trouble for reselling in the threads
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. No ones fault but my own...

First and foremost, it should be noted that I make $90,000 a year on average. On a bad year with no over time at work, I'll make about $65K-$70K.

With that being said, a lot of people are clueless as to what they're talking about when it comes to reselling. I don't actually have to resell, I resell because I don't like paying full price for shoes. I'm spoiled.

People look at a $60 profit as a bad thing. How about this:

$300 (resell price of SpaceJams) - $237.60 (retail price of SpaceJams with .08% tax) = $62.40 profit.

Let's say someone NOT named AirForce1King bought 22 pairs and sold at least 19 of them for a $62.40 profit. $62.40 X 19 = $1,185.60 profit.

Let's say they deplete their stock in 5 days. For the sake of math, let say those 5 days equates to a 40 hour work week. $1185.60 divided by 40 = $29.64 per hour.

How many of you guys make $29.64 an hour?

Let's say that same person NOT named AirForce1King kept a size 12 SpaceJam for himself so $1185.60 - $237.60 becomes $948. Let's say that same guy decides to get Grey Suede 11's ($432), DB7's ($205), and Kentucky Blue 1's ($172.80) from that $948. He'd still have $138.20 left over. So technically, that's 4 pairs of shoes for free (including SpaceJams).

See, you guys have conversations amongst yourselves instead of getting the opinion of an actual reseller. From Jordan 4 Alternate 89's to now, I've copped about 50 pairs of shoes this year with 3 more to go before the end of the year. Out of pocket I only paid for about 5 pairs of shoes total. Let's suppose every pair of shoes I bought was $200 (which is completely false because I have all 4 pairs of Pinnacle 4's which were $432 each, DB4's which were $600, DB 13's which were $500, and so on and so on). I purchased a MINIMUM of $10,000 in shoes this year. Out of pocket I paid MAYBE $1000 and I'll tell you what, I hate it lol. I was soooooooo mad I had to buy True Blue 3's man. I absolutely HATE buying shoes with my own money lol.
 
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GInfante said:
I've never heard of people justifying bball players being able to make every shot, but being paid to purposely miss them
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Money is a small part of it. I wouldn't tank or purposely miss a shot that I've proven consistently to make over some dollars. Sports is dirty though, if someone approaches me and tells me I need to throw this game or else..(family or friends well-being at stake) and in return, you'll get another chip guaranteed down the line, you think dudes aren't going to abide?

Lebron "promised" to bring a ring back to Cleveland. Can you imagine the hit his legacy and brand wouldve took if he didn't get a title to Cleveland. Nike has a billion dollars invested in this guy. He is probably the most powerful guy in the NBA right now as an active player. Draymond should've been suspended back in the OKC series for that kick to Adams. Lebron teabags dude, Dray gets mad and takes a swipe and suddenly the league decides it has to suspend Draymond. GSW bodied the Cavs each time they played in the regular season and 3 of those Finals games and all of a sudden, the Cavs figure them out? Nah.

This was all apart of the narrative. GSW was bound to get back to the Finals (even though OKC should've finished them off) to meet up with Cleveland where Lebron gets his "revenge". Space Jam 2 news, movie deals, etc. His wave was too great to take another L on the sports biggest stage.
 
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