Charlize Theron dressing her black adopted son in a blonde wig and dress...Vol...fam..

LIONBLOOD said:
 
I didn't start it but I'll be happy to finish it.

Advance upon me brethren. 
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didnt come here for that, i just find it funny.. why would a non religious person such as myself argue about religion?    
 
I think is admirable of parents to let their kids fully express themselves without judgement....all you dudes rustled over little mans choice of clothing or toys need to be a little more open minded and self-centered....your reaction is a reflection of your own insecurities, pretty sure Charlize didn't dress him up, she simply gave him full control over himself at a very young age, which I think will work wonders in trust building between parent/child.....oppress your kid and force him to reflect yourself and the things YOU like and you might be raising a child full of resentment.
 
Why can't it be both?

Some folks are born gay... Others are influenced to become gay.

Not that hard to grasp, famb. People are different.
 
ksteezy said:
I think is admirable of parents to let their kids fully express themselves without judgement....all you dudes rustled over little mans choice of clothing or toys need to be a little more open minded and self-centered....your reaction is a reflection of your own insecurities, pretty sure Charlize didn't dress him up, she simply gave him full control over himself at a very young age, which I think will work wonders in trust building between parent/child.....oppress your kid and force him to reflect yourself and the things YOU like and you might be raising a child full of resentment.
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Restricting kids = resentment
Non restricting kids = spoiled

Finding the middle ground is the key to parenting.
 
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I always want to know why some heterosexual men feel the need to champion super hard for homosexuality.

Like they fight hard for it. Do you see it as a cause you are trying to support? Or do you have friends? Or do you really see an injustice?

At this stage in 2016 I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life and not sure what we need to keep fighting for their rights for. It's almost like a trend.

Or a convenient 2016 super liberal package that's sold in stores that all these guys follow and have the same opinions and be this super open intellectual...

Why can't everyone just live?
 
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OnTheNephs said:
I always want to know why some heterosexual men feel the need to champion super hard for homosexuality.

Like they fight hard for it. Do you see it as a cause you are trying to support? Or do you have friends? Or do you really see an injustice?

At this stage in 2016 I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life and not sure what we need to keep fighting for their rights for. It's almost like a trend.

Or a convenient 2016 super liberal package that's sold in stores that all these guys follow and have the same opinions and be this super open intellectual...

Why can't everyone just live?
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IKR, how dare we care about cival rights and equality...
 
OnTheNephs said:
I always want to know why some heterosexual men feel the need to champion super hard for homosexuality.

Like they fight hard for it. Do you see it as a cause you are trying to support? Or do you have friends? Or do you really see an injustice?

At this stage in 2016 I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life and not sure what we need to keep fighting for their rights for. It's almost like a trend.

Or a convenient 2016 super liberal package that's sold in stores that all these guys follow and have the same opinions and be this super open intellectual...

Why can't everyone just live?
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"I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life"

"LOOK AT THE ZEST ON THAT MAN HAHA!"

tell me you aren't this dense
 
FrankMatthews said:
Thats fine, im not gonna tell you ur wrong, cause i honestly dont know. I just find it strange that we know, for actual fact, that those things above influence all sorts of human behaviors, yet for some reason they are incapable in any and every instance from influencing sexual preference. Doesnt seem logical to assume that its impossible. Especially when we know, psychologically, factually, how advertising, movies, music, various forms of propaganda ect... can and do influence a large part of everything we do.
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LIONBLOOD said:
Flyeed said:
Lionblood, you're condescendingly using concepts of inclusive fitness/kin selection in other species and applying it to humans (who face completely different challenges than those species) in a way that can very easily be argued against. I'm not saying you're wrong though.


I constantly view selection of different traits in terms of group fitness, even things such as stupidity and how certain types of people gravitate toward certain other types to pump out more of a specific type of member of society is an idea I hypothesize can be a genetic adaptation of our species. So I'm open to thinking in these ways.


But those points you made have glaring weaknesses. Specifically that in science, fitness is considered passing of one's genes/alleles and you're bringing up examples where siblings that might engage in homosexual behavior tend to the children of their siblings. But this doesn't occur in humans. Homosexuals don't tend to their nephews and nieces while alphas have a harem. Adoption of children by homosexual couples can't be proven to be a trait that's been selected for (if that's the case for an evolutionary advantage of homosexuality in humans,) because biological evolution happens over the course of many generations. So I don't see where homosexuality comes into play for group fitness or kin selection.
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I simply gave a reason as to why homosexuality may have evolved across many species. Humans have many vestigial traits. We have evolved but homosexuality continues to persist, it can't be a simple genetic aberration. I simply gave examples of why homosexuality evolved in the first place.

The bottom line is somebody is passing the homosexual gene, if it didn't have some kind of benefit it wouldn't represent such a huge portion of our population.


I used KIn selection to argue against this notion that one must procreate. Many members of several species NEVER get to procreate.
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Convergent evolution is the independent evolution of similar features in species of different lineages. Convergent evolution creates analogous structures that have similar form or function but were not present in the last common ancestor of those groups.
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There are still other flaws in the arguments you've made too. Many traits persist in the population that aren't beneficial. I'm still not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying you condescendingly use science when you should present your arguments with holes it more humbly.
 
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But then again I just joined the party maybe you're frustrated after 18 pages of this :lol:
 
OnTheNephs said:
At this stage in 2016 I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life and not sure what we need to keep fighting for their rights for. It's almost like a trend.
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This reminds me of the people that say..

"Slavery is over. Stop complaining and making everything about race."

Just because you don't relate or see it for yourself, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However, I do agree that some people do not seem genuine with their agendas.
 
Before those that want to fight come at me for a fight, I'm saying ahead of time that I do not want to fight.

I'm LEGITIMATELY wanting to know.

What biases are facing gays today that impede their progress in this world?

Especially in the acting and business world...?

Not trying to be a doosh, btw... If a gay dude could opine, that would be awesome.

And before people start to go in... I'm thinking aside from those crazies that think they shouldn't be able to get married and raise kids... That's just common sense to allow them to do that and those that oppose are trippin' (although it could be tied to their religion)

*flame suit on*
 
OnTheNephs said:
I always want to know why some heterosexual men feel the need to champion super hard for homosexuality.

Like they fight hard for it. Do you see it as a cause you are trying to support? Or do you have friends? Or do you really see an injustice?

At this stage in 2016 I see 0 obstacles in a homosexuals life and not sure what we need to keep fighting for their rights for. It's almost like a trend.

Or a convenient 2016 super liberal package that's sold in stores that all these guys follow and have the same opinions and be this super open intellectual...

Why can't everyone just live?
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Patently false. The LBGTQ community still doesn't have explicit Federal Civil Rights Protections.



And everyone should be interest in everyone else having blanket Civil Rights protections.
 
handullz said:
Before those that want to fight come at me for a fight, I'm saying ahead of time that I do not want to fight.

I'm LEGITIMATELY wanting to know.

What biases are facing gays today that impede their progress in this world?

Especially in the acting and business world...?

Not trying to be a doosh, btw... If a gay dude could opine, that would be awesome.

And before people start to go in... I'm thinking aside from those crazies that think they shouldn't be able to get married and raise kids... That's just common sense to allow them to do that and those that oppose are trippin' (although it could be tied to their religion)

*flame suit on*
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The LBGTQ community still doesn't have blanket Civil Rights protections.

That means in some states, unless their is a state or city law, someone could fire someone just for being gay, or not rent to them just because they are gay. If they want recourse they will have to sue, and pray to baby Jesus they get the right judge.
 
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