Official 2017 Knicks Offseason thread, Phil Jackson gone

Utah has really good role players but nobody on their roster better than KP and melo

Very true, but they work better as a collective group than we do.

I still have hope for the season and believe we have yet to play our best basketball. We're due for a 7-10 game winning streak. These injuries are hurting though.
 
Gordon Hayward is absolutely a better player than Melo.

Gobert as well.

Rodney Hood is also really good.

George Hill is better than any guard we have on our roster.

Y'all do realize basketball is a two-way game and defense kind of matters. In fact, it is why we suck!
 
26 year old Gordon Hayward is far and away better than 32 year old Melo

Y'all are crazy if you're thinking otherwise 
 
george hill being better than rose is a bit of a stretch. gobert and melo don't even play the same positions...
 
Those advanced stats are like Chinese to a dinosaur like me, wtf does that **** even mean :rofl: Looking at the non advanced stats Haywood is playing better but not by any significant margin that I can tell. Now the Utah Jazz as a team seem to be playing much better than the Knicks as a team which is the real meat of the issue..
 
This, Pat didn't want to admit his time had come and gone. Killed me to see him in a supersonics uniform. He further degraded himself later donning the uniform of the Orlando magic. #7 hasn't fallen off to the level Pat did...yet. He looks to be well on his way though. If you can get something for him now then do it or be stuck with him rolling downhill for 2 more years. Also, I hate the comparison between Pat and #7. Pat was the best knick of all time. True he didn't win any championships, but his team's were always contenders. The same cannot be said for #7.

It's unfair to compare Ewing to Melo.

There were some things Ewing had which Melo never did and vice-versa.

Ewing had the misfortune of playing during the MJ era, but was always in contention of making it to the Finals throughout the 90's because he was surrounded with players who knew their roles and a head coach who brought in a winning culture to the team. Ewing had to deal with 2 coaches during his prime.

Melo played in an era where it was pretty much open and there wasn't a team or a single player who would always win. There was a chance. But he never had the consistency or a dependable team Ewing had. Melo has gone through 5 coaches during the 5 years he's been here. That's 5 different personalities and basketball philosophies with 0 credibility or winning pedigree.

I'm not a Melo apologist my any means and feel there are parts of his game which is detrimental to the long term success of the team. But I do believe it's simply unfair to compare Patrick Ewing to Melo. Although Ewing never won championships, he had far more consistency throughout his time in NY than Melo.

As much as most Knicks fans want him out and will use him as a scapegoat, we need to a take a long hard look in the mirror and realize we didn't maximize our opportunity with one of the greatest scorers the NBA has seen. We could've and should've done more with Melo. The pieces we have now are far better than what we've had in the past, but it may be a little too late. The team needs a few players and another year before we can really see tangible results.
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But now we talking about ******* Gordon Hayward being better than Melo :lol: :smh:
 
Melo is a net negative player on a .500 team
Hayward is a net positive player on a winning team
 
Also, George Hill is so far better than Rose it isn't even really close. Even in basic stats, he's better.

He scores at a better rate and then you factor in the fact that he's an elite defender at his position while Rose plays no D at all, it isn't a comparison.
 
Also, George Hill is so far better than Rose it isn't even really close. Even in basic stats, he's better.

He scores at a better rate and then you factor in the fact that he's an elite defender at his position while Rose plays no D at all, it isn't a comparison.

Always liked George Hill.

Might've been able to trade for him instead of Rose & keep Lopez
 
You guys get so defensive lol :lol:

Melo isn't a top 30 guy anymore that doesn't mean he's trash or he's wack, he just is old and can't carry a team. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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