Fidel Castro has Died at 90

@Master Zik, well there are other forms of crime, like selling things on the black market. A lot have side jobs selling alcohol or second hand cigars. Most Cubans buy goods or clothes from the black market. Music is even sold on the streets. So if they get caught doing this illegal stuff, it is 15 yrs in jail.

The mall sells old and expired food and very bad quality clothes. The government does ration or subsidize some food monthly.

They get a lot of things from tourists too. Like their clothes or other used things.


But I think it's because Castro invested in tourism after the Soviet collapse and foreign investment so that is important to keep crime low. One guy told me let's say a Cuban harasses a tourist girl, 10-15 yrs in jail for that.
 
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Master Zik said:
If course Cubans in Cuba aren't celebrating Castro's death. They're trapped there. It'd be dumb to risk death over that. Makes perfect sense they're scared and confused.

Its easy to provide health care and education when it's possible your ppl may starve and are living in poverty. Low crime you say? Ain't nobody to rob. No weapons? Guns are useless when you'd rather want food.

Y'all dudes (and women) have to recognize both sides of things if honest discussion is to be had.
Nah that clown **** willful ignorance already been called out b.

Got nothing to do with wanting you to bash Castro.

Its just facts

You want to talk about what you know. When you repeatedly display that you do not know much.

Its like talking to somebody about the Cold War but the only part you know about is the communist side and then when ppl tell you about **** you don't know your reply is oh that's capitalist problems, that's western countries beef. I don't know anything about that :lol:
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Willful ignorance? lol man shut your dumb *** up.

You're the same idiot who posts Malcolm X in the same breath of slandering Castro.

I`m not willfully ignorant to anything. I`m concerned with continental Africa thus I know about continental African History. You been crying this entire thread because people don't view Castro in the same light as you.
 
LIONBLOOD said:
Because that would be hypocritical. Fidel Castro hurt some people but there are people who liked him for other reasons. That's all we're saying.
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If you want to censor yourself from speaking against wrongdoing outside of the US for fear of being labelled a hypocrite then be my guest
 
LIONBLOOD said:
We comparing Malcom X to dictators now?:lol:  


Sounding like one of them Trump supporters who compare BLM to the KKK and neonazis.
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LIONBLOOD said:
We comparing Malcom X to dictators now?:lol:  


Sounding like one of them Trump supporters who compare BLM to the KKK and neonazis.
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Zik didn't do that, I could be wrong but I didn't see anything like that posted. He posted a Malcom X quote to shade Lucky.

Lucky seems to be just throwing out a red herring.
 
RustyShackleford said:
Zik didn't do that, I could be wrong but I didn't see anything like that posted. He posted a Malcom X quote to shade Lucky.

Lucky seems to be just throwing out a red herring.
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No I`m not posting a red herring.

Zik is trying to shame people into bashing Castro, then proceeds to post a pic of Malcolm who literally considered Castro an Ally.

Is it Oochie Wally or is it One Mic?
 
He did it to shade you though, not Castro.

I can see the irony, but it is kinda a reach to call it a contradiction famb
 
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Let's agree on the following:
-Castro opposed the US and gained independence for Cuba.
-Castro also oppressed his people and the government blocked many freedoms that most countries enjoy.
-Though, he did implement free healthcare.
-Citizens living under the Cuban government owns nothing and rely on stipends to get food.
-US government does all types of behind the scene **** and have exercised institutionized racism under the guise of reform.
-The US government has repeatedly insighted coups and inserted puppet governments because of self-interests/money and does so to a smaller extent today.
-Castro punished all opposition and ruled with an iron-fist, with resulted in imprisonment for many and even death to scores of individuals.

This are all true and you can be against Castro AND against the US government. But to ignore the atrocities that Castro committed and laws that held Cubans down is disservice to yourself and shows your complete misunderstanding of his reign as a whole. If you don't know about Castro's regime nor care to learn about it, than please don't post your fruitless opinion because your words holds no weight as you lack the knowledge to provide a viable argument and your statements look as shallow as a puddle.
 
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I don't think anyone is denying Castro's atrocities.

But, you have to look into a full context rather and him as a polarizing figure.

I think the United States government is very hypocritical when they are the biggest export of terrorism and have blood on their hands themselves. They are there showing footage and decrying Castro's human rights abuses when they are seen as the biggest tyrants by many around the world. So they hate on Castro for defying them but yet ally with other dictator puppets when it appeases their interests. We are just saying there's things Castro did even better than the U.S. government and if anything else they are just as worse than Castro was when it comes to certain things, especially foreign policy.
 
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Me Love Nutella said:
I don't think anyone is denying Castro's atrocities.

But, you have to look into a full context rather and him as a polarizing figure.

I think the United States government us very hypocritical when they are the biggest export of terrorism and have blood on their hands themselves. They are there showing footage and decrying Castro's human rights abuses when they are seen as the biggest tyrants by many around the world. So they hate on Castro for defying them but yet ally with other dictator puppets yet it appeaseseems their interests. We are just saying goes there's things Castro did even better than the U.S. government.
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Nobody is Pro Castro in the thread, like I said you just have idiots in here who are mad everyone isn't in here bashing Castro.

Literally people are saying they don't know much about what happened in Cuba thus they aren't going to speak on it and cats are mad about that.

lol these peons are comical.
 
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LuckyLuchiano said:
RustyShackleford said:
I mean, it was clear he meant it as an insult, so yes, it was shade :lol:
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I don't partake in "shading", I discuss things like a grown man. If cats want to be cry babies thats on them.
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You have routinely called anyone that disagrees with you a peon or idiot.

You're condescending nearly every chance you get, and have called pretty much everyone that doesn't share your point on this subject stupid.

Let us be honest here, hardly anything about your behavior in this thread, screams "I discuss things like a grown man"
 
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"I don't know what happened so I can't speak on it."

"Here's what happened."

"I don't know what happened so I can't speak on it."

"I just told you what happened so that can't be it. You just don't care and I wish you'd admit it"

"Lol peon you mad? Pull your skirt down over your thong. I discuss things like a grown man."
 
There's a major difference between ignorance and self-imposed ignorance

One isn't deliberate
 
Me Love Nutella said:
I don't think anyone is denying Castro's atrocities.

But, you have to look into a full context rather and him as a polarizing figure.

I think the United States government is very hypocritical when they are the biggest export of terrorism and have blood on their hands themselves. They are there showing footage and decrying Castro's human rights abuses when they are seen as the biggest tyrants by many around the world. So they hate on Castro for defying them but yet ally with other dictator puppets when it appeases their interests. We are just saying there's things Castro did even better than the U.S. government and if anything else they are just as worse than Castro was when it comes to certain things, especially foreign policy.
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There are people in here that ignoring Castro's atrocities. Look on the last few pages.

With being said, I'm not comparing him to someone like Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. But, he did oppress his people and committed injustices openly against the opposition. Yes, we as Americans can be hypocrites when it comes to subjects such as civil liberties and freedom for all. But as whole, he was as oppressive as the worst politicians we've ever had and his actions were outwardly worse to the common Cuban under his reign since his power was far exceeding any US president.
Did I mention they had no right to protest nor VOTE against him or oust him as a leader.
 
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The individuals in this thread are not government representatives and frequently speak out against America's own unjust actions

I fail to see the hypocrisy
 
RustyShackleford said:
You have routinely called anyone that disagrees with you a peon or idiot.

You're condescending nearly every chance you get, and have called pretty much everyone that doesn't share your point on this subject stupid.

Let us be honest here, hardly anything about your behavior in this thread, screams "I discuss things like a grown man"
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I called them idiots because there is nothing to agree or disagree about.

I said I respect what he did in Africa the end.

Literally nothing to debate about my statement, yet people are calling it "caping".

So yes, you are all peons.
 
Based Jesus said:
"I don't know what happened so I can't speak on it."

"Here's what happened."

"I don't know what happened so I can't speak on it."

"I just told you what happened so that can't be it. You just don't care and I wish you'd admit it"

"Lol peon you mad? Pull your skirt down over your thong. I discuss things like a grown man."
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And you're still in your feelings. :tongue:
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
RustyShackleford said:
You have routinely called anyone that disagrees with you a peon or idiot.

You're condescending nearly every chance you get, and have called pretty much everyone that doesn't share your point on this subject stupid.

Let us be honest here, hardly anything about your behavior in this thread, screams "I discuss things like a grown man"
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I called them idiots because there is nothing to agree or disagree about.

I said I respect what he did in Africa the end.

Literally nothing to debate about my statement, yet people are calling it "caping".

So yes, you are all peons.
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Case in point
 
LIONBLOOD said:
Basically, this country's leaders have way more blood on their hands than Castro and its not even close.
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This cat Rusty even had the nerve to said "props to Regan for keeping "revolutionaries" in Check" and I`m like "yeah like Mandela?"

these dudes have been exposed for their stupidity and are trying to save face by trying to imply people are condoning whatever wrong things Castro did.

The general consensus of people who aren't bashing Castro is literally "We appreciate what he did in Africa, the end."

And cats are on some "bu bu he's da devil, he only did it to fool the africans."

lol if y'all don't get the hell on.
 
DaNiKeRhiNo said:
There are people in here that ignoring Castro's atrocities. Look on the last few pages.

With being said, I'm not comparing him to someone like Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. But, he did oppress his people and committed injustices openly against the opposition. Yes, we as Americans can be hypocrites when it comes to subjects such as civil liberties and freedom for all. But as whole, he was as oppressive as the worst politicians we've ever had and his actions were outwardly worse to the common Cuban under his reign since his power far exceeding any US president.
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I agree. The whole human rights violations and the elimination of the free press is not justifiable. But I really wonder if maybe he embraced democracy as he originally wanted if the U.S. helped him,it could have been a different Cuba, but they didn't want that. They wanted a puppet like Batista.

But he will have a mixed legacy. It all depends on your perspective. Was the Cuban revolutionary a liberator who toppled a tyrant and brought world-class standards of health and education to the island nation or demagogic despot who silenced, incarcerated or executed those who would not subscribe to his personality cult?

In the eyes of many he is a hero who stood up to a superpower but to others he is nothing less than a villain who preferred firing squads to democracy.

In my opinion, he overthrew a gangster dictatorship which had a appalling human rights record such as torture, killings, consolidating all the wealth in a few hands.

The United States made a massive mistake by not engaging with him at the time because of its interest, I think, in the sort of gangster economy.

It’s a great tragedy because in the early years Castro had looked to actually develop links with the U.S. When they did the boycott it pushed him into the hands of the Soviet Union.

If the U.S. accepted the revolution, who knows .. could have been a different Cuba.
 
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LuckyLuchiano said:
LIONBLOOD said:
Basically, this country's leaders have way more blood on their hands than Castro and its not even close.
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This cat Rusty even had the nerve to said "props to Regan for keeping "revolutionaries" in Check" and I`m like "yeah like Mandela?"

these dudes have been exposed for their stupidity and are trying to save face by trying to imply people are condoning whatever wrong things Castro did.

The general consensus of people who aren't bashing Castro is literally "We appreciate what he did in Africa, the end."

And cats are on some "bu bu he's da devil, he only did it to fool the africans."

lol if y'all don't get the hell on.
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Your grown *** back on this strawman, I addressed it already.

@LIONBLOOD knows I'm not bout the ****ing. He can read the exchange himself. HERE

Keeping grasping at strawmen dude. But like I said in the reply on the second page, I know it is a constant struggle for you, constant.
 
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