Official 2017 Boxing Thread: 12/16 - Billy Joe Saunders vs. David Lemieux HBO

Who will be the winner of Terence Crawford vs. Julius Indongo fight?

  • Crawford

    Votes: 16 88.9%

  • Indongo

    Votes: 2 11.1%
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Close fight, I think the KD was the difference. Too many people are downplaying the boxing GGG also showed expecting only knockdowns. From a judges perspective Jacobs came to stick and move and then back out while GGG looked to be pressing and following. 
 
I was thinking the southpaw look might've been preventing GGG's set up and bodywork.

You're not seeing the same opening you're used to. I can't remember Jacobs ever doing that before so don't know it they trained it.
 
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[table][tr][th=""]PUNCHES[/th][th=""]GOLOVKIN[/th][th=""]JACOBS[/th][/tr][tr][td]Landed[/td][td]231[/td][td]175[/td][/tr][tr][td]Thrown[/td][td]615[/td][td]541[/td][/tr][tr][td]Percent[/td][td]38%[/td][td]32%[/td][/tr][/table]
 
Not surprised Jacobs's length and athleticism gave GGG problems, but I thought GGG would counter by attacking the body to slow him down.  After he landed the right to KD Jacobs it looked like he got greedy and waited for an opening the rest of the night to land another one to end it. 

GGG still washes Canelita, completely different fight. 
 
Golovkin is my favorite fighter, but I expected them to give the decision to Jacobs. I'm going to have to watch the fight a few more times, but I believe it was close enough that you can't be mad either way.

I think we saw Golovkin get frustrated by Jacobs' movement tonight. For a large portion of the fight he walked Jacobs down while peppering him with jabs that seemingly couldn't miss. However, he couldn't land the power shots everybody knows and loves him for.

Jacobs on the other hand did land some decent shots throughout the fight, but they didn't visibly hurt Golovkin. He was smart in moving, but a lot of people do view it as running (thus negatively). Jacobs closed rounds out well, but the showboating may have done more harm than good because he couldn't visibly hurt Golovkin. A fighter that fights on the back foot and then engages at the end of the round can be viewed as trying to steal the round. And if you don't hurt your opponent in those final moments of high output it might not be enough to sway the judges.

I'll be interested to see the cards because the punch stats had Golovkin way ahead and more accurate.
 
yungmatt said:
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I don't mind him but he definitely has a lot of dudes that ****ride him mercilessly and talk like he's unbeatable, which kinda makes you want to see the guy lose just so they'll shut the hell up. Kinda like Manny in his prime.

Jacobs basically proved tonight that he's not this monster some people make him out to be. Still a great fighter but he has his flaws like everybody else.

But Jacobs deserved this decision man. I had it 114-113 and that's with giving GGG any swing rounds I had scored. Everybody counted him out and he earned that win but caught a raw deal on the cards
 
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IDK I heard GGG has underrated defense despite getting hit. He blocks with his shoulder and forearms, I don't think those punches should count as actual punches landed. Probably going to try to watch the replay.
 
BlackCease said:
I don't mind him but he definitely has a lot of dudes that ****ride him mercilessly and talk like he's unbeatable, which kinda makes you want to see the guy lose just so they'll shut the hell up. Kinda like Manny in his prime.

Jacobs basically proved tonight that he's not this monster some people make him out to be. Still a great fighter but he has his flaws like everybody else.

But Jacobs deserved this decision man. I had it 114-113 and that's with giving GGG any swing rounds I had scored. Everybody counted him out and he earned that win but caught a raw deal on the cards
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I don't think golovkin will ever lose a fight at middleweight. I also don't think Jacobs won this fight even though I see why some people say he did. I scored it 115-112 golovkin. I saw Jacobs eat jab after jab all night and to me that was the clear difference in the fight. Jacobs fought a decent fight but all he did from rounds 5-12 was look for big shots in spurts after eating jab after jab for the majority of every round. Everyone scores fights differently on what they like and it's all opinion.
 
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I had Jacobs winning, but I wouldn't call it a robbery.
I score rounds by who LANDED the most punches. By that definition there were many even rounds. When that's even I give it to the fighter who displayed ring generalship. GGG fought Jacobs' fight, not the other way around, so I scored most of the even rounds for Jacobs.

Judges seem to always give the big draw close rounds. Boxing needs a culture change. (and I don't just mean the judges)
 
Bobby Layne said:
 
Not surprised Jacobs's length and athleticism gave GGG problems, but I thought GGG would counter by attacking the body to slow him down.  After he landed the right to KD Jacobs it looked like he got greedy and waited for an opening the rest of the night to land another one to end it. 

GGG still washes Canelita, completely different fight. 
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This sums it up perfectly. I didn't know why he didn't go to the body to slow Jacob's movement, he was headhunting instead. Go the the body and the rest will follow, I don't know why his corner wasn't advising him to do it. 
 
I'll also put it out there that the bias that GGG is this monster that KOs everyone should be put aside and look at his other skills. Good footwork, good jab, etc. Those things are overshadowed when we only expect big shots and KOs. 
 
I just saw those scorecards. Look to the first three rounds to highlight what I said about judges automatically giving close rounds to the big draw and current champ.
 
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And allegedly Jacobs only landed 31 jabs.


Not what I saw but w/e, I'll have to rewatch the fight. I like watching fights again when I can slow down the action and properly dissect what landed cleanly and what hit arm.


I consider myself a discerning eye but hey, sometimes I'm wrong.
 
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