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Some things you got and some things went right over your head.
Curveballs laced with sarcasm. Trout had a great season, the knock on Miggy's season by all these saber metrics and new statistics fan boys is repulsive. I'm no traditionalist by any means. I like to see both sides. But when someone referred to the Triple Crown award as no big deal because 2 out of 3 categories are now meaningless. (I literally laughed my *** off).
You don't think team leadership is important?
That's why I can't fully get down with the saber metrics crew. All you see is numbers.
"Heart" is irrelevant, tell that to the A's, the Orioles, there's no statistic for "heart"... Saber crew doesn't believe in it because they can't measure it.
Leyland had a great interview on PTI. Sums it up nicely. Oh yeah, Trout would of made a better case for himself as a #2 hitter.
Can't measure intangibles
JD answered well, but I'll add to the discussion.
No one is saying Cabrera had a poor season, he just didn't have as good a season as Trout. You don't need sabermetrics to see Trout is the best and most valuable player in the AL. Watch him hit. Watch him on the basepaths. Watch him play defense. You're saying all we see are numbers, yet you're the one whose basing your argument on three counting stats, and you're the one who apparently doesn't watch defense or base running.
Two out of the three categories are meaningless, at least in terms of performance evaluation. RBIs are important in the context of a game - that's it. It's foolish to use it as a means of evaluation because it's a statistic dependent on factors outside the control of a player, i.e whose getting on base and where in the lineup one is hitting. So why give credit for that? The batting average statistic isn't useless, but it's still very flawed. It uses ABs instead of plate appearances, so sacs, walks, HBPs aren't factored. And it values all hits the same. There are plenty of advanced metrics that are far better at illustrating hitting performance and value, but you'd just dismiss them because they're sabermetrics. Maybe it's because you'd rather use the same methods of evaluation in place since before we had digital scoreboards. LOL. You sound like a fan who still rates pitchers based on wins.
Leadership has it's importance from the managerial position, but from players it's of little to no importance, and certainly shouldn't be used in an MVP discussion. Pep talks aren't going to help you get a hit, or throw 90, or take the best route to a ball. And again, whose to say Trout's intangibles are lacking? You think that just because LAA didn't make the playoffs? LOL. Your argument has more holes than the Dodgers' lineup. Speaking of, I'm sure you were supporting Braun for MVP last season since he made the playoffs, right?
Congrats to the A's fans, btw. Not pleased about having to play Texas in a one-off, but score another for moneyball.
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