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Smh @ people just finding out this dude was a mass murderer. Even as a kid I knew something was off about celebrating this "holiday". :smh:  
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I share those sentiments. Here is an interesting article on that lowlife Christopher Columbus. He basically brought forth the transatlantic slave trade.

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http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day
 
I was reading the Ebola thread and all I could do was shake my head at some of the general remarks about the current condition of Africa. For those who don't know what is meant by "neo-colonialism", the following link is a blog post about the political realities in the former French colonies in Africa. It is a long read and I highlighted the subject of the post in red for those who want to skip the background events that led to what is described. I hope it will open people's eyes regarding the nature of the relationship between African countries and their former colonies.


http://www.siliconafrica.com/france-colonial-tax/

14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonization
By: Mawuna Remarque KOUTONIN
Tuesday, January 28th, 2014 at 3:41 pm.
Africa-France-relationshipDid you know many African countries continue to pay colonial tax to France since their independence till today!

When Sékou Touré of Guinea decided in 1958 to get out of french colonial empire, and opted for the country independence, the french colonial elite in Paris got so furious, and in a historic act of fury the french administration in Guinea destroyed everything in the country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonization.

Three thousand French left the country, taking all their property and destroying anything that which could not be moved: schools, nurseries, public administration buildings were crumbled; cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged; horses, cows in the farms were killed, and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned.

The purpose of this outrageous act was to send a clear message to all other colonies that the consequences for rejecting France would be very high.

Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”

Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.
He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.

It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.

The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the country own currency.

On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.

Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.

On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.

On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.

In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents:

- On January 1st, 1966, Jean-Bédel Bokassa, an ex french foreign legionnaire, carried a coup against David Dacko, the first President of the Central African Republic.
- On January 3, 1966, Maurice Yaméogo, the first President of the Republic of Upper Volta, now called Burkina Faso, was victim of a coup carried by Aboubacar Sangoulé Lamizana, an ex French legionnaire who fought with french troops in Indonesia and Algeria against these countries independence.
- on 26 October 1972, Mathieu Kérékou who was a security guard to President Hubert Maga, the first President of the Republic of Benin, carried a coup against the president, after he attended French military schools from 1968 to 1970.
In fact, during the last 50 years, a total of 67 coups happened in 26 countries in Africa, 16 of those countries are french ex-colonies, which means 61% of the coups happened in Francophone Africa.

Number of Coups in Africa by country

Ex French colonies Other African countries
Country Number of coup Country number of coup
Togo 1 Egypte 1
Tunisia 1 Libye 1
Cote d’Ivoire 1 Equatorial Guinea 1
Madagascar 1 Guinea Bissau 2
Rwanda 1 Liberia 2
Algeria 2 Nigeria 3
Congo – RDC 2 Ethiopia 3
Mali 2 Ouganda 4
Guinea Conakry 2 Soudan 5
SUB-TOTAL 1 13
Congo 3
Tchad 3
Burundi 4
Central Africa 4
Niger 4
Mauritania 4
Burkina Faso 5
Comores 5
SUB-TOTAL 2 32
TOTAL (1 + 2) 45 TOTAL 22
As these numbers demonstrate, France is quite desperate but active to keep a strong hold on his colonies what ever the cost, no matter what.

In March 2008, former French President Jacques Chirac said:

“Without Africa, France will slide down into the rank of a third [world] power”

Chirac’s predecessor François Mitterand already prophesied in 1957 that:

“Without Africa, France will have no history in the 21st century”

At this very moment I’m writing this article, 14 african countries are obliged by France, trough a colonial pact, to put 85% of their foreign reserve into France central bank under French minister of Finance control. Until now, 2014, Togo and about 13 other african countries still have to pay colonial debt to France. African leaders who refuse are killed or victim of coup. Those who obey are supported and rewarded by France with lavish lifestyle while their people endure extreme poverty, and desperation.

It’s such an evil system even denounced by the European Union, but France is not ready to move from that colonial system which puts about 500 billions dollars from Africa to its treasury year in year out.

We often accuse African leaders of corruption and serving western nations interests instead, but there is a clear explanation for that behavior. They behave so because they are afraid the be killed or victim of a coup. They want a powerful nation to back them in case of aggression or trouble. But, contrary to a friendly nation protection, the western protection is often offered in exchange of these leaders renouncing to serve their own people or nations’ interests.

African leaders would work in the interest of their people if they were not constantly stalked and bullied by colonial countries.

In 1958, scared about the consequence of choosing independence from France, Leopold Sédar Senghor declared: “The choice of the Senegalese people is independence; they want it to take place only in friendship with France, not in dispute.”

From then on France accepted only an “independence on paper” for his colonies, but signed binding “Cooperation Accords”, detailing the nature of their relations with France, in particular ties to France colonial currency (the Franc), France educational system, military and commercial preferences.

[COLOR=#red]Below are the 11 main components of the Colonisation continuation pact since 1950s:



#1. Colonial Debt for the benefits of France colonization

The newly “independent” countries should pay for the infrastructure built by France in the country during colonization.

I still have to find out the complete details about the amounts, the evaluation of the colonial benefits and the terms of payment imposed on the african countries, but we are working on that (help us with info).



#2. Automatic confiscation of national reserves

The African countries should deposit their national monetary reserves into France Central bank.

France has been holding the national reserves of fourteen african countries since 1961: Benin, Burkina Faso, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Togo, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo-Brazzaville, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon.

“The monetary policy governing such a diverse aggregation of countries is uncomplicated because it is, in fact, operated by the French Treasury, without reference to the central fiscal authorities of any of the WAEMU or the CEMAC. Under the terms of the agreement which set up these banks and the CFA the Central Bank of each African country is obliged to keep at least 65% of its foreign exchange reserves in an “operations account” held at the French Treasury, as well as another 20% to cover financial liabilities.

The CFA central banks also impose a cap on credit extended to each member country equivalent to 20% of that country’s public revenue in the preceding year. Even though the BEAC and the BCEAO have an overdraft facility with the French Treasury, the drawdowns on those overdraft facilities are subject to the consent of the French Treasury. The final say is that of the French Treasury which has invested the foreign reserves of the African countries in its own name on the Paris Bourse.

In short, more than 80% of the foreign reserves of these African countries are deposited in the “operations accounts” controlled by the French Treasury. The two CFA banks are African in name, but have no monetary policies of their own. The countries themselves do not know, nor are they told, how much of the pool of foreign reserves held by the French Treasury belongs to them as a group or individually.

The earnings of the investment of these funds in the French Treasury pool are supposed to be added to the pool but no accounting is given to either the banks or the countries of the details of any such changes. The limited group of high officials in the French Treasury who have knowledge of the amounts in the “operations accounts”, where these funds are invested; whether there is a profit on these investments; are prohibited from disclosing any of this information to the CFA banks or the central banks of the African states .” Wrote Dr. Gary K. Busch

It’s now estimated that France is holding close to 500 billions African countries money in its treasury, and would do anything to fight anyone who want to shed a light on this dark side of the old empire.

The African countries don’t have access to that money.

France allows them to access only 15% of the money in any given year. If they need more than that, they have to borrow the extra money from their own 65% from the French Treasury at commercial rates.

To make things more tragic, France impose a cap on the amount of money the countries could borrow from the reserve. The cap is fixed at 20% of their public revenue in the preceding year. If the countries need to borrow more than 20% of their own money, France has a veto.

Former French President Jacques Chirac recently spoke about the African nations money in France banks. Here is a video of him speaking about the french exploitation scheme. He is speaking in French, but here is a short excerpt transcript: “We have to be honest, and acknowledge that a big part of the money in our banks come precisely from the exploitation of the African continent.”



#3. Right of first refusal on any raw or natural resource discovered in the country

France has the first right to buy any natural resources found in the land of its ex-colonies. It’s only after France would say, “I’m not interested”, that the African countries are allowed to seek other partners.



#4. Priority to French interests and companies in public procurement and public biding

In the award of government contracts, French companies must be considered first, and only after that these countries could look elsewhere. It doesn’t matter if the african countries can obtain better value for money elsewhere.

As consequence, in many of the french ex-colonies, all the majors economical assets of the countries are in the hand of french expatriates. In Côte d’Ivoire, for example, french companies own and control all the major utilities – water, electricity, telephone, transport, ports and major banks. The same in commerce, construction, and agriculture.

In the end, as I’ve written in a previous article, Africans now Live On A Continent Owned by Europeans!



#5. Exclusive right to supply military equipment and Train the country military officers

Through a sophisticated scheme of scholarships, grants, and “Defense Agreements” attached to the Colonial Pact, the africans should send their senior military officers for training in France or French ran-training facilities.

The situation on the continent now is that France has trained hundreds, even thousands of traitors and nourish them. They are dormant when they are not needed, and activated when needed for a coup or any other purpose!



#6. Right for France to pre-deploy troops and intervene military in the country to defend its interests

Under something called “Defence Agreements” attached to the Colonial Pact, France had the legal right to intervene militarily in the African countries, and also to station troops permanently in bases and military facilities in those
countries, run entirely by the French.

French military bases in Africa

French-military-bases-in-africa

When President Laurent Gbagbo of Côte d’Ivoire tried to end the French exploitation of the country, France organized a coup. During the long process to oust Gbagbo, France tanks, helicopter gunships and Special Forces intervened directly in the conflit, fired on civilians and killed many.

To add insult to injury, France estimated that the French business community had lost several millions of dollars when in the rush to leave Abidjan in 2006 the French Army massacred 65 unarmed civilians and wounded 1,200 others.

After France succeeded the coup, and transferred power to Alassane Outtara, France requested Ouattara government to pay compensation to French business community for the losses during the civil war.

Indeed the Ouattara government paid them twice what they said they had lost in leaving.



#7. Obligation to make French the official language of the country and the language for education

Oui, Monsieur. Vous devez parlez français, la langue de Molière!

A French language and culture dissemination organization has been created called “Francophonie” with several satellites and affiliates organizations supervised by the French Minister of Foreign Affairs.

As demonstrated in this article, if French is the only language you speak, you’d have access to less than 4% of humanity knowledge and ideas. That’s very limiting.



#8. Obligation to use France colonial money FCFA

That’s the real milk cow for France, but it’s such an evil system even denounced by the European Union, but France is not ready to move from that colonial system which puts about 500 billions dollars from Africa to its treasury.

During the introduction of Euro currency in Europe, other european countries discovered the french exploitation scheme. Many, specially the nordic countries, were appalled and suggested France get rid of the system, but unsuccessfully.



#9. Obligation to send France annual balance and reserve report.

Without the report, no money.

Anyway the secretary of the Central banks of the ex-colonies, and the secretary of the bi-annual meeting of the Ministers of Finance of the ex-colonies is carried out by France Central bank / Treasury.



#10. Renonciation to enter into military alliance with any other country unless authorized by France

African countries in general are the ones with will less regional military alliances. Most of the countries have only military alliances with their ex-colonisers! (funny, but you can’t do better!).

In the case France ex-colonies, France forbid them to seek other military alliance except the one it offered them.



#11. Obligation to ally with France in situation of war or global crisis

Over one million africans soldiers fought for the defeat of nazism and fascism during the second world war.

Their contribution is often ignored or minimized, but when you think that it took only 6 weeks for Germany to defeat France in 1940, France knows that Africans could be useful for fighting for la “Grandeur de la France” in the future.

There is something almost psychopathic in the relation of France with Africa.

First, France is severely addicted to looting and exploitation of Africa since the time of slavery. Then there is this complete lack of creativity and imagination of french elite to think beyond the past and tradition.

Finally, France has 2 institutions which are completely frozen into the past, inhabited by paranoid and psychopath “haut fonctionnaires” who spread fear of apocalypse if France would change, and whose ideological reference still comes from the 19th century romanticism: they are the Minister of Finance and Budget of France and the Minister of Foreign affairs of France.

These 2 institutions are not only a threat to Africa, but to the French themselves.

It’s up to us as African to free ourselves, without asking for permission, because I still can’t understand for example how 450 french soldiers in Côte d’Ivoire could control a population of 20 millions people!?

People first reaction when they learn about the french colonial tax is often a question: “Until when?”

For historical comparison, France made Haiti to pay the modern equivalent of $21 billion from 1804 till 1947 (almost one century and half) for the losses caused to french slave traders by the abolition of slavery and the liberation of the Haitian slaves.

African countries are paying the colonial tax only for the last 50 years, so I think one century of payment might be left![/COLOR]
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"Manslaughter Charge Dropped For Police Officer Who Fatally Shot Sleeping 7-Year-Old
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@robin_mangum  Oct 9

@PeoplesReport Modern day Lynching off OUR PEOPLE. Nothing is really done. Smh. R.I.P. LITTLE ANGEL.

White Americans more likely to support voter ID laws when shown photos of black people voting
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/10/15/3580232/white-voters-study-voter-id/
 
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Watching the Daily Show with Bill O'Reilly talk about white privilege, and it seriously baffles me on how some people just don't get it. Jon is speaking plain english, yet this dude just doesn't get it.
 
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[h1]The Book Of Negroes' Miniseries Set To Premiere On BET In February[/h1]
On one hand, I'm tired of all the stories mainly about slavery representing us, but it's still history.

"Lawrence Hill’s 2007 award-winning novel “The Book Of Negroes” will make its small screen debut on BET in February as six-part miniseries, according to various reports.

The Entertainment One-produced film, directed by Clement Virgo and starring Cuba Gooding Jr., Jane Alexander, Louis Gossett, Jr., and Aunjanue Ellis, centers around a 19th century slave who navigates the perils of the slave trade in an attempt to secure her freedom.

"Gooding Jr. recently revealed to Deadline the one thing that sets “The Book Of Negroes” apart from other slave films, such as the Oscar Award-winning film “12 Years A Slave”“It’s told from the female perspective with a sense of empowerment. Through Aminata’s journey we see the strength of her character. I didn’t know anything about 'The Book Of Negroes,' or the slaves participation with the British and upon hearing this, it always upsets me when I hear about something I don’t know: Like The Tuskegee Airmen, 'The Book Of Negroes' is another upsetting moment for African Americans, when we have made a positive impact on the building of America, but our history hasn’t been told. Hearing this tale of strength moved me.”
 
I mean, on one hand I am also tired of slave stories. But on the other, we need to demonstrate market value in making black productions.

...I might just turn it on so it gets ratings, and mute the TV.
 
Well the book has gotten good reviews, so at least it had a solid foundation to work from.
 
Fair enough. Plus, Schoolboy Cuba should be good for some dramatic moments throughout.

EDIT - Anyone familiar with Jane Elliott? She does experiments where she enacts a form of 'racism' on white people and they react in varied ways, mostly being unable to take it. The experiment is here:

 
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^^People always look at me crazy when I tell them it's worse now than even back then. Good video.
 
Drones said:
Fair enough. Plus, Schoolboy Cuba should be good for some dramatic moments throughout.

EDIT - Anyone familiar with Jane Elliott? She does experiments where she enacts a form of 'racism' on white people and they react in varied ways, mostly being unable to take it. The experiment is here:
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Breh this is comedic gold

Bravo ane Elliott.
 
Great vid. most people in the community would be reluctant to even claim that there is a problem, makes it harder for those who want change, lotta people have become self-important

Also, had no Idea there was so many other types of panthers
 
trueprada said:
^^reps above 


How to spot a black TV character written by white people
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me and my girl are going to see this tomorrow, just an FYI this movie isn't what you guys think it is in regard to being truly "pro black", lol when I read the actual plot it made me understand how this got the green light, even then though still going to see it.
 
Not really related, I just thought it was kinda funny.

It's strange how all these "awaken" "conscious" brotha's have grown in popularity, Im even seeing white's, hispanics's adopting their idea's on government corruption, religion, and GMO's, and even referring to themselves as "awaken". I honestly see most of them as kinda annoying with all their satire-ish stuff, they come by with some of the right stuff but steer off course very easily, they've become like atheist black muslims lol, social media missionaries, which isn't a bad thing in this age, I just don't think they have it in them to prioritize something real or the understanding that reform doesn't happen over the internet
 
What's the name of that book that speaks on blacks possibly already being in America when it was discovered?

I remember someone posting in here how we don't really connect to africans and carribeans the way they connect to each other. I kinda 
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 it originally but last night it was really on my mind for some reason. It kinda doesn't make sense that they brought that many to America back then because I'm sure many died on the journey. What really kinda baffled me was something kinda silly but its the reason I'm asking for the name of the book. 

Fufu 
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I've stated before that my lady was Sierra Leonean so I've ate plenty of their food and knew what it was. I was on twitter and seen someone saying they had a taste for it so I just randomly googled it and saw it was a Caribbean dish too. So I'm like Africans and Caribbeans eat fufu but why did it never get brought over to America since we supposedly came here around the same time as slaves were getting dropped off on the islands. 

I know our culture was stripped and taken away but the islands had slavery too and they were still able to keep their culture that correlates to African culture. 

Maybe I'm thinking too deep about something so simple but it is kinda weird to me 
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but yea the title of the book would be appreciated because now I'm intrigued to read it. 

edit: not saying we don't have african roots but is it possible that we came here way before america was discovered by the europeans. 
 
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View media item 1223607They Came Before Columbus reveals a compelling, dramatic, and superbly detailed documentation of the presence and legacy of Africans in ancient America. Examining navigation and shipbuilding; cultural analogies between Native Americans and Africans; the transportation of plants, animals, and textiles between the continents; and the diaries, journals, and oral accounts of the explorers themselves, Ivan Van Sertima builds a pyramid of evidence to support his claim of an African presence in the New World centuries before Columbus. Combining impressive scholarship with a novelist’s gift for storytelling, Van Sertima re-creates some of the most powerful scenes of human history: the launching of the great ships of Mali in 1310 (two hundred master boats and two hundred supply boats), the sea expedition of the Mandingo king in 1311, and many others. In They Came Before Columbus, we see clearly the unmistakable face and handprint of black Africans in pre-Columbian America, and their overwhelming impact on the civilizations they encountered.

Amazon product ASIN 0812968174
 
Heyerdahl's Experiment

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"In 1969 and 1970, Heyerdahl built two boats from papyrus and attempted to cross the Atlantic Ocean from Morocco in Africa. Based on drawings and models from ancient Egypt, the first boat, named Ra (after the Egyptian Sun god), was constructed by boat builders from Lake Chad using papyrus reed obtained from Lake Tana in Ethiopia and launched into the Atlantic Ocean from the coast of Morocco. The Ra crew included Thor Heyerdahl (Norway), Norman Baker (USA), Carlo Mauri (Italy), Yuri Senkevich (USSR), Santiago Genoves (Mexico), Georges Sourial (Egypt) and Abdullah Djibrine (Chad). Only Heyerdahl and Baker had sailing and navigation experiences. After a number of weeks, Ra took on water after its crew made modifications to the vessel that caused it to sag and break apart after sailing more than 4000 miles. The crew was forced to abandon Ra some hundred miles before Caribbean islands and was saved by a yacht.

The following year, 1970, another similar vessel, Ra II, was built of totora by Demetrio, Juan and Jose Limachi from Lake Titicaca in Bolivia and likewise set sail across the Atlantic from Morocco, this time with great success. The crew was mostly the same; only Djibrine had been replaced by Kei Ohara from Japan and Madani Ait Ouhanni from Morocco. The boat reached Barbados, thus demonstrating that mariners could have dealt with trans-Atlantic voyages by sailing with the Canary Current.

The book The Ra Expeditions and the film documentary Ra (1972) were made about the voyages. Apart from the primary aspects of the expedition, Heyerdahl deliberately selected a crew representing a great diversity in race, nationality, religion and political viewpoint in order to demonstrate that at least on their own little floating island, people could cooperate and live peacefully. Additionally, the expedition took samples of marine pollution and presented their report to the United Nations."

Video is in German, but images speak a thousand words

 
Mr Marcus said:
edit: not saying we don't have african roots but is it possible that we came here way before america was discovered by the europeans. 
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Why the hell do we call the Native Americans "Indians"?

They look pretty damn black to me.
 
Mr Marcus said:
not saying we don't have african roots but is it possible that we came here way before america was discovered by the europeans.
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I also what to make note that indigenous Americans/Native Americans were there own people. They most certainly had distinctive cultures and civilizations, but I wanted to demonstrate, as Van Sertima proves, that some of these cultures were influenced and had contact with African peoples in Pre-Columbia times. Africans certainly left a mark in the American cultures just as they did with Europeans.

I have often seen people make the mistake saying these Native American or Indigenous American cultures were African or that African people gave these people culture, etc. That is misleading and taking away from the brilliance of the Natives who inhabited these areas for thousands of years.

Now do I believe the slave trade in some ways has been misrepresented in history... sure. But to say or allude to the fact us African Americans were always here in the Americas is wrong. A lot of us died on the way here from Africa, but understand this was the world wide business and a science they had hundreds of years to prefect. They knew exactly how many Africans to bring, how many would die on these voyages, etc. They also bred us like cattle.

Over the years ome Africans interbred with Natives and assimilated into their culture. Proof of that are the Seminole Indians in Florida. Others in Pre-Columbian time traded goods, services, and ideas while occasionally breeding with the Native population.

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Why the hell do we call the Native Americans "Indians"?

They look pretty damn black to me.
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It is important to keep in mind that black does not equal African. The color of ones skin simply demonstrates ones relationship to the sun and the equatorial regions on the earth. You have many indigenous cultures who appear black, but are genetically not African. For example, the Aborigines of Australia, the Negrito (Semang) people of Malaysia, The Jawara peoples of the Andaman Islands, etc. All would be considered black, but ore genetically Asian.

In short, black culture can mean many things. Black is the color of the original people of this planet. White people didn't come on the scene until roughly 6000 years ago with ending of the last ice age.
 
IMO from things I've Read and seen I believe All men originate in Africa, Migrations is how everyone got to the different places of earth they are currently found.
 
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