Catholics gon Catholic

[oneilmatt]

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

Care to tell me how Im wrong? Religion and religious people were bastions of knowledge and scientific advancement all throughout history. If it werent for Catholicism civilization would have returned to the stone age during the black death. To say the world would be better without religion is laughably, objectively wrong.

 

[rico x hood]

You didn't say it'd be Better. You said it wouldn't be the same. Your argument was the butterfly effect. You literally said nothing.

If it weren't for Catholics we'd probably have flying cars by now. They stymied scientific thought for centuries and committed murder on a global scale when they didn't get their way. If there was RICO statute for crimes against humanity the heads of Catholic Church should be tried under it. And anyone that defends that sickening organization should be tarred and feathered.

 

[oneilmatt]

You didn't say it'd be Better. You said it wouldn't be the same. Your argument was the butterfly effect. You literally said nothing.

If it weren't for Catholics we'd probably have flying cars by now. They stymied scientific thought for centuries and committed murder on a global scale when they didn't get their way. If there was RICO statute for crimes against humanity the heads of Catholic Church should be tried under it. And anyone that defends that sickening organization should be tarred and feathered.

Implicit bias against the Catholic Church kind of defeats your whole argument fella. Are you aware that most all of what we know about astronomy today is from the Catholic Church? The Church hasnt "stymied science" for nearly 500 years. Flying cars [emoji]128517[/emoji]

 

[rico x hood]

It's not bias. It's all fact. The Catholic Church rapes children and has killed millions of people. That's not debatable. But what makes it so egregious is that it's systemic.

So I ask you is this where you want to plant your flag? In a thread where you defend child rapists and those that enable them?

 

[oneilmatt]

It's not bias. It's all fact. The Catholic Church rapes children and has killed millions of people. That's not debatable. But what makes it so egregious is that it's systemic.

So I ask you is this where you want to plant your flag? In a thread where you defend child rapists and those that enable them?

"The Catholic Church rapes children" Wrong. A TINY percentage of men who happen to priests have commited crimes against kids. The Catholic Church doesnt rape children. I do not defend these individuals or the cover ups that often occured, but to call the entire organization child rapists is ludicrous.

"Killed millions of people" The soviet government set out to exterminate religion in the motherland. That was one of the founding tenents of the bolshevik mission. Stalin alone killed an estimated 10 million people in his purges over just 5 years. A nation devoid of religion commited one of the worst atrocities in history just 70 years ago. Your point holds no weight whatsoever.

 

[rico x hood]

Are you dense? Daft? Or just being willfully ignorant. The child rape isn't an isolated affair. It goes from top to bottom. That's why it's systemic. You act like it all just happened in one congregation. It didn't. And once again is this where you want to plant your flag? As a crusader for an organization that rapes children and gets away with it. These ******** don't even get defrocked. Just transferred.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

We'd hVe more scientific advances if we didn't have people frothing over fossil fuels. Besides, over the past 20 years we've made some amazing advances so idk what the hell your argument is anyway. We have cars driving around without people in them.

 

[Master Zik]

The world would probably be a much better place if it wasn't for organized religion. Whether it's christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism, ...
Except buddhism, though technically not a major organized religion anyway. They can stay.

The world as it is today wouldnt exist without organized religion fampai. Dont be so willfully ignant

Yeah and the world without it would probably be a better place

What don't you get about that statement.

The world as we know it today isn't the best possible version and isn't anything to be proud of.

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

Care to tell me how Im wrong? Religion and religious people were bastions of knowledge and scientific advancement all throughout history. If it werent for Catholicism civilization would have returned to the stone age during the black death. To say the world would be better without religion is laughably, objectively wrong.

This is false on its face and it's crazy you're claiming your stance as objectively right when it's all based on an assumption.

You're showing that you not only have no clue but can not even conceive klof what the world would be like without religion. Use some logic.

Why the **** are you even starting at the middle ages and the black death? If we're talking about a world without religion you gotta go further back than that.

We're talking about a world where science isn't held back by silly superstitions and belief in the super natural.

You credit religion for advancements in science as if it wasn't religion that was impeding scientific theory and breakthroughs for centuries.

 

[handullz]

And this is the issue with religion. Dudes deflection game is Michael Jordan esque

The thread is about a Catholic priest pimping and loading up on pr0n....

But let's talk about our military missteps.






Systemic racism is a real issue.,..

But black on black crime, doe.

 

[ninjahood]

The world as it is today wouldnt exist without organized religion fampai. Dont be so willfully ignant

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

it type wouldn't...

every artistic/scientific/philosophy/mathematics/government/etc.

were all either deivred from a church or heavily commissioned by a church.

u sure ain't getting ish like this from a population that weren't god fearing humans..

 

[Belgium]

Care to tell me how Im wrong? Religion and religious people were bastions of knowledge and scientific advancement all throughout history. If it werent for Catholicism civilization would have returned to the stone age during the black death. To say the world would be better without religion is laughably, objectively wrong.

Organized religion has stonewalled advancements in science for centuries. I would also wager that atheists/agnostics are more likely to be of higher intellect than zealot biblethumpers. If atheism was the standard from early on, society would have likely advanced at a much faster rate than we have now thanks to the catholic church.

 

[ninjahood]

Care to tell me how Im wrong? Religion and religious people were bastions of knowledge and scientific advancement all throughout history. If it werent for Catholicism civilization would have returned to the stone age during the black death. To say the world would be better without religion is laughably, objectively wrong.

Organized religion has stonewalled advancements in science for centuries.

it also fueled and standardized others.. (printing press, modern architecture, etc)

without Religion you wouldn't have anywhere near da wealth of Human history saved, stored, and financed by da church.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Burns scientists, mathematicians, and philosophers at the stake

Somehow still responsible for scientific advancements

 

[Mark Antony]

I see legit racist is back.

 

[gry60]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ith-a-chemistry-degree-a-productive-pairing/#

In 1915, an exceptionally bright Italian youngster walked the two miles from his home to the Campo dei Fiori in Rome to hunt for science books in the weekly market fair. His step was determined and his face was grim. His countenance hid the fact that he was trying to recover from a great tragedy, the sudden death of his brother who had been his closest companion. Science would provide respite from his grief.
The Campo dei Fiori was the same place where the 16th century friar Giordano Bruno had been burnt for his heretical beliefs regarding multiple universes and Copernican astronomy. The boy mostly found books on theology and other topics which did not interest him, but tucked away in the heap was a two-volume compendium on physics by a Jesuit priest named Andrea Caraffa. Written in 1840, the volume expounded on all the classical physics that had been known until then. It was better than nothing and the boy bought it with the meager allowance he had saved. Taking it home he devoured it, not even noticing that it had been written in Latin.
Thus was launched Enrico Fermi's momentous career in physics. There is something exceedingly poignant about the fact that Italy's most famous scientific son found his life's bearings in a book written by a member of the Catholic Church, the same institution which three hundred years earlier had sent a scientific heretic to his death in exactly the same location.
They have just elected a new Jesuit pope, Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, who has taken the name Francis. In the coming days the media will undoubtedly scrutinize his views on everything ranging from women in the church to the recent sex scandals. On my part I would be interested in his views on science and on evolution and cosmology in particular. I do not know what Pope Francis specifically thinks about these topics. But the story of Andrea Caraffa inspiring young Enrico Fermi gives me hope that the new Pope will look kindly toward science. Something else makes me even more hopeful: the new Pope has a degree in chemistry.*
Wikipedia has a list of Jesuit scientists going back to the 17th century. These Jesuits delved into topics across the spectrum of science, although astronomers seem to be especially prominent among them. There's Giovanni Zup who discovered the orbital phases of Mercury, Giovanni Saccheri who wrote on Non-Euclidean geometry, Benito Vines who was known as 'Father Hurricane' and Pierre Chardin who was involved in the discovery of Peking Man. Among the most prominent recent Jesuits is Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno. Many of these Jesuits studied at prominent universities and later occupied faculty positions themselves. Their contributions to and study of science would be consistent with the Jesuit emphasis on scholarship. In their missionary work Jesuits often took the message of science to people on other continents. For instance it was a Jesuit who helped found the Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science. Jesuits also introduced Western astronomy to China during their travels there and in turn brought back original Chinese research back to the West. Most prominently, Jesuits have founded many influential schools and colleges - including Georgetown University and Boston College - which emphasize teaching and research in science. Compared to other members of the Church, Jesuits' record on science is not bad at all.

 

[AEA18]

I see legit racist is back.

I thought he was perma-banned?

 

[chadleroy]

Organized religion has stonewalled advancements in science for centuries. I would also wager that atheists/agnostics are more likely to be of higher intellect than zealot biblethumpers. If atheism was the standard from early on, society would have likely advanced at a much faster rate than we have now thanks to the catholic church.

Lmao how do you type this out and think you're actually making a compelling argument though.

 

[rico x hood]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...y-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious

http://www.medicaldaily.com/proved-atheists-more-intelligent-religious-people-250727

 

[Master Zik]

The world as it is today wouldnt exist without organized religion fampai. Dont be so willfully ignant

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

it type wouldn't...

every artistic/scientific/philosophy/mathematics/government/etc.

were all either deivred from a church or heavily commissioned by a church.

u sure ain't getting ish like this from a population that weren't god fearing humans..

We would just get some other artistic ish not based on religion.

Dudes talking like society wouldn't exist at all without religion. Untrue.

It just wouldn't exist as we know it and that's not a bad thing. For all you know civilization is 5× as advanced in all areas without religion. Cherry picking a point in his history and saying look religion made this possible is entirely missing the point.

 

[gry60]

"All religions are myths, except for the one I believe in."

 

[rico x hood]

We would just get some other artistic ish not based on religion.

Dudes talking like society wouldn't exist at all without religion. Untrue.

It just wouldn't exist as we know it and tha5s not a bad thing. For all you know civilization is 5× as advanced in all areas without religion. Cherry picking a point in his history and saying look religion made this possible is entirely missing the point.

Exactly the talent was always there the church just forced people to paint religious ****.

 

[ninjahood]

The world as it is today wouldnt exist without organized religion fampai. Dont be so willfully ignant

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

it type wouldn't...

every artistic/scientific/philosophy/mathematics/government/etc.

were all either deivred from a church or heavily commissioned by a church.

u sure ain't getting ish like this from a population that weren't god fearing humans..

We would just get some other artistic ish not based on religion.

Dudes talking like society wouldn't exist at all without religion. Untrue.

he only said da world wouldn't be da way it is now without Religion, and thats true.

Churches had all da money to bank roll all da development, and inspired values and virtues by those people, especially back in da days of antiquity.

 

[ninjahood]

We would just get some other artistic ish not based on religion.

Dudes talking like society wouldn't exist at all without religion. Untrue.

It just wouldn't exist as we know it and tha5s not a bad thing. For all you know civilization is 5× as advanced in all areas without religion. Cherry picking a point in his history and saying look religion made this possible is entirely missing the point.

Exactly the talent was always there the church just forced people to paint religious ****.

they were da people commissioning da works to be done...(sponsor & paying)

u think folks doing this on their free time?

 

[Master Zik]

The world as it is today wouldnt exist without organized religion fampai. Dont be so willfully ignant

What a ridiculous statement. And you had the nerve to be indignant about it too.

it type wouldn't...

every artistic/scientific/philosophy/mathematics/government/etc.

were all either deivred from a church or heavily commissioned by a church.

u sure ain't getting ish like this from a population that weren't god fearing humans..

We would just get some other artistic ish not based on religion.

Dudes talking like society wouldn't exist at all without religion. Untrue.

he only said da world wouldn't be da way it is now without Religion, and thats true.

Churches had all da money to bank roll all da development, and inspired values and virtues by those people, especially back in da days of antiquity.

Yeah but just going by the history of mankind and looking at cultures and how socieities that We're not dominated by religion ruled without religion some other group would've came to power and had all the money and just directly or indirectly be the catalyst for prompting artistic production.

 

[gry60]

I don't think there exists a single society that did not develop a belief system in supernatural entities.

We can say that we don't need much of what is taught in religions today because of how far science has gone as far as explaining the world and how it works, but I really doubt that we would reach this point without belief systems.