You're missing the point. You're not wrong about the deals those labels did. And I didn't "push" anything. I simply said "by 2000" and you spun your own wheels on that.
But that broad, generic overview of what happened to those labels is the **** you read in Billboard. A nice little press release. It's naive to think there isn't more to the stories behind each of those deals.
Being pressured by dudes on the regular will sure enough cause you to make a move like that quicker than you want.
Hence them going and starting other labels in another genre shortly thereafter.
Payday for one. Let's look at RocAFella. Jay-Z's "In My Lifetime" was released via Payday/Freeze/Priority. According to Dame, Payday didn't want to pony up enough for videos. You might remember the video for that song is OD.
And somehow they were released from their label shortly after though still under contract. Dame has been on Hot97 shouting out the former president of Payday, who I know personally, for letting them walk.
Shortly thereafter, RocaFella is officially formed. With Jay, Dame and a silent 3rd party by the name of Biggs. Who is where right now?
By the mid 90's it was WELL known that dudes were in. Biggs. Henchman. Supreme. But to believe that no "street dudes" were getting into music before that, using less than "corporate" tactics in their business, is just plain false.
Eric B. can't DJ or produce for **** but it's been said that he had his hands in other things. Eazy E supposedly started Ruthless with drug money. This is in the late 80's no less.
2 Executive Producers on the first (and actually all thereafter) Wu Tang project in 92 (which was independent before the LOUD deal) were Dennis Coles (Ghostface) and Oli "Power" Grant. Who many believe were the money men.
These are just stories though. Commonly told tales (so spare me the "snitch" claims). May or may not be true. But I'm giving you facts (a word rarely used properly on here that I am in fact using correctly) direct from the source and that I've also seen with my own eyes and you still ain't trying to hear it
I know for a FACT a marketing guy at Capitol in like 93 got his *** stomped out in his office by an artist and their "manager".
The list goes on and on. Some of this **** you just won't read in Billboard.
You seem to already be backpedaling on your initial claim that "street dudes" weren't managers by talking about Boot Camp and that crew being dudes with "street ties". I mean, that's just semantics now.
The term "dealers" was a direct quote from one of those label owners. For all we know, those dudes weren't "dealers" but that was the term used.
Even if they were dealers and they were getting money on the street, not all dealers are just about the paper. And not all of them are kingpins. Some of them are also about the SHINE.
And by the late 80's/early 90's, rappers were getting shine around the way. Before that, all that shine went to the dealers. Might make dudes feel some type of way.
Yes, wall of text. I'm aware. I've said my piece.
I think we need some kind of official, "technical" definitions for "street dude/cat" and "about that life"
wasnt puff's dad a street dude???You're missing the point. You're not wrong about the deals those labels did. And I didn't "push" anything. I simply said "by 2000" and you spun your own wheels on that.
But that broad, generic overview of what happened to those labels is the **** you read in Billboard. A nice little press release. It's naive to think there isn't more to the stories behind each of those deals.
Being pressured by dudes on the regular will sure enough cause you to make a move like that quicker than you want.
Hence them going and starting other labels in another genre shortly thereafter.
Payday for one. Let's look at RocAFella. Jay-Z's "In My Lifetime" was released via Payday/Freeze/Priority. According to Dame, Payday didn't want to pony up enough for videos. You might remember the video for that song is OD.
And somehow they were released from their label shortly after though still under contract. Dame has been on Hot97 shouting out the former president of Payday, who I know personally, for letting them walk.
Shortly thereafter, RocaFella is officially formed. With Jay, Dame and a silent 3rd party by the name of Biggs. Who is where right now?
By the mid 90's it was WELL known that dudes were in. Biggs. Henchman. Supreme. But to believe that no "street dudes" were getting into music before that, using less than "corporate" tactics in their business, is just plain false.
Eric B. can't DJ or produce for **** but it's been said that he had his hands in other things. Eazy E supposedly started Ruthless with drug money. This is in the late 80's no less.
2 Executive Producers on the first (and actually all thereafter) Wu Tang project in 92 (which was independent before the LOUD deal) were Dennis Coles (Ghostface) and Oli "Power" Grant. Who many believe were the money men.
These are just stories though. Commonly told tales (so spare me the "snitch" claims). May or may not be true. But I'm giving you facts (a word rarely used properly on here that I am in fact using correctly) direct from the source and that I've also seen with my own eyes and you still ain't trying to hear it
I know for a FACT a marketing guy at Capitol in like 93 got his *** stomped out in his office by an artist and their "manager".
The list goes on and on. Some of this **** you just won't read in Billboard.
You seem to already be backpedaling on your initial claim that "street dudes" weren't managers by talking about Boot Camp and that crew being dudes with "street ties". I mean, that's just semantics now.
The term "dealers" was a direct quote from one of those label owners. For all we know, those dudes weren't "dealers" but that was the term used.
Even if they were dealers and they were getting money on the street, not all dealers are just about the paper. And not all of them are kingpins. Some of them are also about the SHINE.
And by the late 80's/early 90's, rappers were getting shine around the way. Before that, all that shine went to the dealers. Might make dudes feel some type of way.
Yes, wall of text. I'm aware. I've said my piece.
Puff his Steve Stout with a bottle. Was he a street dude?
I said from the beginning that people tried to get out of their bad contracts physically or legally.
How am I back peddling, when I said it. I already talked about Jimmy Henchmen and Supreme. That's because they were trying to go legit, because they knew they were getting 20 if arrested again.
And like I said street dudes didn't think much of rappers at first. I'm talking about real street dudes. You seem to use the street dude term as some broad brush. Kids in the suburbs hustle.
No, the Bootcamp thing isn't semantics, because it wasn't drug dealers invading the industry as managers. They were gang members from jump, so who were Heltah Skeltah and Smiff N Wissun's friends going to be? Dru Ha was the one who wasn't in a gang.
Again, I don't just throw around the term street dude like some of you. Because you did a few hand to hands doesn't make you a street dude to ME.
Much less dudes acting like street dudes normally act like an ******* like Dame, which is false. Only in movies.
agreed . its not ur show . u had ur piece now u mad someone else had their piece and it didnt go down the way you wanted it to ?
promotional mostly , its a good album for the most part musically and i agree on jim jones he held his own with mos def
