did jordan cheat himself out of 2-4 more PRIME years vol. heavy smoker,drinker,gambling

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jordan came from a southern home and played in the steak capitol , he was a light sleeper who would stay up late , gambled heavy , smoked cigars etc all in all he LIVED HARD  and the first half of his career was spent on his back getting up from the floor.

fast forward to 2012 , lebron is a biking to the arena and biking back , heavy sleeper , light smoker , light drinker and could bench press michael 2 times over

and you got guy's like kobe who grew up with a european childhood, flew west at age 18, has had great nutritionist's etc

lebron is hitting his prime in his 9th season , and kobe in his 17th (17th dawg) is still a 40+ minute a game 30ppg guy.

guys like nash play better at age 37 than at 27.....jordan who was a freak athlete at one point was playing YMCA back you down ball at 37-38

anybody else feel like he robbed himself of 2-4 more great years his final days with the bulls?

he wasnt the same guy those last 3 years...his free throw percentage,field goal percentage,3 point percentage rebounding etc was all down his last 3 years
 
Jordan>Kobe>Lebron

I'd rather live that life w/ my 6 rings and little baseball break :smokin
 
He lived hard, but he worked even harder. You cannot take that away from the dude. And he didn't change his game his last few years because he wanted to, it's just a natural decline in athleticism that comes with age; and he knew this so he made the necessary adjustments. See Shaq, Duncan, KG, VC, Kidd, Stackhouse, Drexler, Malone, Hill,  etc. All those guys at one point or another were athletic, as the moved on in their careers their games changed. Which is why folks are harping on Blake Griffin so much.

Plus as hard as he lived, he never got hurt, other than his broke foot.

He remodeled his game to what he could still control, and that is his basketball skills and tool set. He still played damn near 40 mpg, while shooting an astounding 46-49% his last 3 years playing that YMCA back you down ball...... that consequently is what everybody is saying Lebron should start doing more of....... and Kobe has since jocked added to his arsenal.

Now of course you could say he robbed himself off 2-4 great years with the Bulls, if you discount everything that was going down with that team and organization at the time, because he retired early. Again, his retooled YMCA style ball could have easily been effective till 2003 (his last year with the Wiz). But to say he robbed himself of 2-4 years because of partying too hard, and not working as hard as the players you mention is asinine. Jordan set the bar with his training and work ethic.
 
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Jordan>Kobe>Lebron
I'd rather live that life w/ my 6 rings and little baseball break
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no ones debating jordan>_____

we know he's better than those two , although as a laker fan give be lebron anyday of the week wearing that purple and gold.

just in terms PRIME jordan years , that last 3 peat seemed less dynamic and had jordan took care of himself better then i think we coulda got a 4 peat.

barkley and jordan the same age and jordan looks LIGHT YEARS older than barkley
 
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Of course he cheated himself of 2 years because he wouldn't have took those 2 years off if he wasn't gambling :-X
 
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CASH MONEY 1999 said:
rck2sactown said:
Like comparing them in 98? 

Barkley had the body of Chuck Hayes by then 
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charles barkley aka chunky brewster

lmao , but naw im talking more so now ...my dude michael look like he 10 years older than he is .
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Oh well thats not really fair 
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I saw Bobby Jackson playing 1 on 1 with the some Kings players a few hours before the game, and dude honestly has put on at least 50 pounds since retiring 
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If MJ wanted to 4 peat the second time (96-98) he could have. It had nothing to do with old age, partying, etc. He hated the 2 Jerrys so he retired and they broke the band up. How old are you OP?
 
Who wouldn't be better off if they took more care of themselves? For the record, I'm not saying Jordan didn't.
 
CASH MONEY 1999 said:
nanbeezy said:
Someone was watching ESPN First Take.

I'd rather live the MJ lifestyle.
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the heard podcenter >>> , all them first take dudes suck
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Was this on the the Herd podcast the other day with Tim Legler? But, it does make perfect sense, if you really think about it. People don't really know how much things like ice bath's, massages before and after games, having a personal chef, someone to train and stretch you and things like that make a big difference in how long you stay effective. Not saying that Jordan did not do this, but I am pretty sure those years he retired he probably did not do anything but shoot around here and there. Where Kobe pretty much has had this going on year around and he is declining gracefully.
 
Nah he didn't cheat his prime year. He took multiple breaks to rest his body. Imo all the NBA work would have been too much for his body if he didn't retires 3 times.

All the heavy smoking, party and drinking has caught up on him that's why he look older
 
Jordan looks bad now and in his Wizards days because dude didn't care.

You know his Wizards days were just to increase the value of the team he owned a piece of.

The second three peat was different. He had bulked up his upper body for baseball. Two years from ball and it will change a lot of guys.

The second three peat he perfected his jumper for longevity. Same reason he was able to average what he did with the Wiz. It is a part of aging.

In the 90's money had a chef and ice baths and masseuses (more than one kind). Take it easy there. The only difference is we know a lot A LOT more about nutrition.

There are still things today nutrition wise we do not fully understand. Imagine 10 years from now. That is why the all-time aggregate records really mean nothing because these high school kids and one year wonders will be owning those.

Did you not see the Dream Team special? Man was a beast. 36 holes of golf. Playin cards til 5am. Practice. Smash chicks. Dominate the world. He lived hard in 91/92 and it didn't have an effect on him.
 
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Difference is information and technology.  You can't compare players of different eras without taking that into account. 
 
Imagine Jordan now with all the tools and knowledge of NBA trainers? He would be out of this world. What separated him with most players is his work ethic.

Kobe is the closets anyone can come to in the NBA in terms of work ethic.
 
Even taking everything he did off the court into consideration, his work ethic made up for all of that.

In terms of Washington, he had to remodel his game due to age, which every athlete has to do when they get older. Even at his age though during his Wizards years, he still put in work.
 
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How did Jordan look "bad" in his Wizard days?

23,6,5 and 20,6,5 at 40 years old is "bad"? 

Who currently playing right now would be able to do that at 40 besides maybe 2 or 3 guys? (Lebron, KD, and Kobe)
 
Production over looks. His legacy, two threepeats, no finals series losses, never let it get to s seventh game, all while living hard.

In fact, all of the bad livng he supposedly did, doesn't make any of the younger cats look really good. It actually makes them look a tad bit, soft.

All of the technology in the world cannot replace heart and desire. So when lining up players like Jordan and other cats who played during much less complicated time, those dudes played when it was HARD to play.

Imagine if MJ, Magic, Bird, Doc, actually had a helicopter to take them to practice back in the day....
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Production over looks. His legacy, two threepeats, no finals series losses, never let it get to s seventh game, all while living hard.

In fact, all of the bad livng he supposedly did, doesn't make any of the younger cats look really good. It actually makes them look a tad bit, soft.

All of the technology in the world cannot replace heart and desire. So when lining up players like Jordan and other cats who played during much less complicated time, those dudes played when it was HARD to play.

Imagine if MJ, Magic, Bird, Doc, actually had a helicopter to take them to practice back in the day....
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CASH MONEY 1999 said:
jordan came from a southern home and played in the steak capitol , he was a light sleeper who would stay up late , gambled heavy , smoked cigars etc all in all he LIVED HARD  and the first half of his career was spent on his back getting up from the floor.

fast forward to 2012 , lebron is a biking to the arena and biking back , heavy sleeper , light smoker , light drinker and could bench press michael 2 times over

and you got guy's like kobe who grew up with a european childhood, flew west at age 18, has had great nutritionist's etc

lebron is hitting his prime in his 9th season , and kobe in his 17th (17th dawg) is still a 40+ minute a game 30ppg guy.

guys like nash play better at age 37 than at 27.....jordan who was a freak athlete at one point was playing YMCA back you down ball at 37-38

anybody else feel like he robbed himself of 2-4 more great years his final days with the bulls?

he wasnt the same guy those last 3 years...his free throw percentage,field goal percentage,3 point percentage rebounding etc was all down his last 3 years
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You talking about the post up game?  That right der is high % basketball.

Your boy Bron Bron would not have been half as great last year w/o that old man YMCA ball
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You ain't real unless you got a sick post game.... drop stepping w/ or w/o dat pump fake on hos all day for easy baskets w/ da and 1's.

Your not a complete basketball player without da YMCA game even if your a point guard imo
 
CASH MONEY 1999 said:
jordan came from a southern home and played in the steak capitol , he was a light sleeper who would stay up late , gambled heavy , smoked cigars etc all in all he LIVED HARD  and the first half of his career was spent on his back getting up from the floor.

fast forward to 2012 , lebron is a biking to the arena and biking back , heavy sleeper , light smoker , light drinker and could bench press michael 2 times over

and you got guy's like kobe who grew up with a european childhood, flew west at age 18, has had great nutritionist's etc


lebron is hitting his prime in his 9th season , and kobe in his 17th (17th dawg) is still a 40+ minute a game 30ppg guy.


guys like nash play better at age 37 than at 27.....jordan who was a freak athlete at one point was playing YMCA back you down ball at 37-38

anybody else feel like he robbed himself of 2-4 more great years his final days with the bulls?
he wasnt the same guy those last 3 years...his free throw percentage,field goal percentage,3 point percentage rebounding etc was all down his last 3 years
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If you going to post this at least say you heard this on the herd on espn.
 
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