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I'm sure everyone knows there teams odds of winning it, those probabilities are out there somewhere. If anyone finds a complete list, post em..



[h1]2008 NBA Draft Order[/h1]
Associated Press

Updated: April 22, 2008, 11:08 AM ET

Thursday, June 26

At New York

First Round

Miami

Seattle

Minnesota

Memphis

New York

L.A. Clippers

Milwaukee

Charlotte

Chicago

New Jersey

Indiana

Sacramento

Portland

Golden State

15. Phoenix (from Atlanta)

16. Philadelphia

17. Toronto

18. Washington

19. Cleveland

20. Denver

21. New Jersey (from Dallas)

22. Orlando

23. Utah

24. Seattle (from Phoenix)

25. Houston

26. San Antonio

27. New Orleans

28. Memphis (from L.A. Lakers)

29. Detroit

30. Boston

The first three picks will be determined by lottery on May 20 and positions 4 through 14 will be be in reverse order of regular-season record

Second Round

31. Minnesota (from Miami through Boston)

32. Seattle

33/34. Portland (from Memphis)

33/34. Minnesota (may be conveyed to Detroit)

35/36. LA Clippers

35/36. Portland (from New York)

37. Milwaukee

38. Charlotte

39. Chicago

40. New Jersey

41. Indiana

42. Sacramento (from Atlanta)

43. Sacramento

44. Utah (from Philadelphia)

45. San Antonio (from Toronto)

46. Seattle (from Portland through Boston)

47. Washington

48. Phoenix (from Cleveland)

49. Golden State

50. Seattle (from Denver)

51. Dallas

52. Miami (from Orlando)

53. Utah

54. Houston

55. Portland (from Phoenix through Indiana)

56. Seattle (from New Orleans through Houston)

57. San Antonio

58. L.A. Lakers

59. Detroit

60. Boston

Teams that finished the regular season with identical records will select in the second round in the reverse of the order in which they select in the firstround. With respect to the ties between Memphis and Minnesota (33 and 34); and the Los AngelesClippers and New York (35 and 36): since the order of selection in the first round for each set of teams may change based on the results of the DraftLottery, the order of selection in the second round cannot be determined until after the Draft Lottery is conducted on May 20.

PER CHAD FORD..
IN THE DRAFT
Players who officially have declared for the 2008 NBA draft
* To preserve eligibility, player has not hired an agent

A.J. Abrams, G, Texas*
Abrams can shoot the lights out and knows how to score, but he's very undersized for a 2-guard. His lack of floor vision or point guard skills will hurthim at the next level. He's a likely second round to undrafted pick at this point.

Joe Alexander, F, West Virginia*
Alexander is a sleeper. He's a long, athletic forward who really began to dominate toward the end of the season. He has the physical tools to be a verygood NBA player, but he needs quite a bit more polish. Look for him to go somewhere between 20 and 35 if he stays in the draft.

Antonio Anderson, G, Memphis*
Anderson is a big, athletic guard who has some point guard skills. He can also be a terrific defender. However, his lack of stellar production through threeyears at Memphis means he likely goes undrafted if he stays in the draft.

Ryan Anderson, F, Cal*
Anderson is one of the best offensive players in the country. He's a big forward who can score inside and out. However, he's stuck between positions.His lack of athleticism hurts his ability to guard 3s and his lack of strength limits his chances of guarding 4s. He's stuck on the first-round bubbleright now.

Darrell Arthur, PF, Kansas*
On talent, Arthur has the makings of a lottery pick. He has great size, is very athletic, runs the floor like a deer and can be a very effective scorer in thepaint and midrange game. However, his poor rebounding numbers and his inconsistency at KU have kept him from being a lock for the lottery. Look for him to fallsomewhere between picks 10 and 20.

D.J. Augustin, PG, Texas
Augustin is arguably the best pure point guard in the draft after Derrick Rose. He has incredible floor vision, great quickness, great shooting touch and is anincredible floor leader. His lack of size is the only thing keeping him from being a Top 5 pick. Look for him to go somewhere between 7 and 12 on draft night.

Jerryd Bayless, G, Arizona
Bayless didn't come with quite the rep of some of the other freshman guards like Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo and Eric Gordon, but he's had a spectacularfreshman season. Bayless has great athleticism, can score of the dribble and from deep three-point range and proved that he could play the point, at least parttime, in the pros. His lack of pure playmaking skills and the fact that he's a little undersized to play the two will hurt his stock a little, but overallBayless looks like he'll fall somewhere between 3 and 8 in the draft.

Michael Beasley, F, Kansas State
He may have had the best freshman season in college basketball history -- even surpassing what Kevin Durant did last year. He's got great size,athleticism, can score anywhere on the floor and is a beast of a rebounder. Scouts claim that character issues from Beasley's high school days still haunthim. But, barring some surprise revelation or injury, Beasley will be either the first or second pick in the draft.

Keith Brumbaugh, SF, Hillsbourgh CC*
A former high school stud whose career got derailed by poor grades and poor choices off the court. He's got the game and all the physical tools to be afirst round pick ... maybe even a lottery pick. But his lack of experience playing at the highest level and all of his off the court issues will give everyonepause. Brumbaugh's a likely second-round pick.

Josh Carter, G/F, Texas A&M*
After shooting 50 percent from three as a sophomore, NBA scouts had hope he'd be a prospect. But his numbers were really down across the board after AcieLaw left the team this year. He does have a great NBA skill ... long-range shooting ... and good size for his position. But right now he projects as a secondround to undrafted pick.

Chase Budinger, G/F, Arizona*
He has great size for his position, is an explosive athlete and can shoot the lights out, but he's been criticized for being too passive and not alwaysusing his athletic ability. However, NBA GMs still see him as a potential lottery pick ... falling somewhere in the 10-15 range.

Derrick Caracter, F, Louisville
He is big, physical and athletic, and has soft hands around the basket. But he's racked up such a rap sheet at Louisville, there's a great chance thatevery team in the league will decide to take a pass. He's good, but he's probably not worth the trouble.

DeMarre Carroll, F, Missouri*
Carroll transferred from Vanderbilt to Missouri and had a solid, albeit unspectacular season for the Tigers. He has NBA strength and athleticism, but lackssize and much of a perimeter game. He's likely to go undrafted.

Mario Chalmers, G, Kansas*
Chalmers is capitalizing on his newfound fame after hitting that huge 3-pointer that allowed Kansas to come back against Memphis. His toughness, leadership andscoring ability mean he'll get a look in the late first round. However, most scouts see him as a second-round pick because of his lack of clear positionand just so-so athleticism.

Lee Cummard, G, BYU*
Cummard is an excellent shooter and an all around good player, but he's dreaming if he thinks he's going to be able to crack the first round. Cummardis a possible late second round pick. More likely, he goes undrafted.

Chris Douglas-Roberts, G/F, Memphis
Douglas-Roberts is one of the smoothest scorers in the country. He is an excellent mid-range shooter and has the ability to break down defenses off thedribble. He tends to be a little one dimensional and isn't an off the charts athlete, but he excels at what he does. He's likely a late first-roundpick.

Robert Dozier, F, Memphis*
Dozier has the size and athleticism that NBA scouts like, but he's not really put up consistent numbers at Memphis and teams have questioned his workethic. He's a possible second-round pick, but most likely would go undrafted.

Wayne Ellington, SG, North Carolina*
Ellington has one of the sweetest shooting strokes in college basketball. But he is a bit undersized for his position and can be pretty one-dimensional.He's on the first-round bubble right now and he'll need excellent workouts to guarantee a first-round pick. He's probably better off returning toUNC for his junior season.

Alonzo Gee, G/F, Alabama*
Gee is a super-athletic swingman with a great NBA body. But he still needs to learn how to shoot. A likely second round to undrafted pick.

C.J. Giles, C, Oregon State
Giles has the talent of a lottery pick, but has struggled to get any minutes on the floor. He was kicked off of Kansas' team after his freshman year andwas kicked off the Oregon State squad mid-season. Teams love his size, athleticism and upside, but does he have the maturity to stick in the NBA? He's alikely second round pick.

Eric Gordon, G, Indiana
Gordon has many star qualities. He's an excellent athlete, has an NBA body, is explosive going to the basket, an excellent defender and, until the last fewweeks of the season, was a dead eye from long range. His struggles since injuring his wrist in January and losing head coach Kelvin Sampson, have been welldocumented. He couldn't hit a shot and he, and the Hooisers, went down in flames. While his performance in the last quarter of the season didn't helphis draft stock, teams still see him as a Top 10 pick.

Jamont Gordon, G, Mississippi State*
A scoring combo guard, Gordon is very tough to keep out of the lane. He has an NBA body, is an excellent rebounder and can play some point. However, he commitsa high rate of turnovers and is just a so-so perimeter shooter. Gordon's strong performance against Memphis in the NCAA tournament helped his stock, butit's unlikely that he cracks the first round. Look for him to return to school.

Danny Green, F, North Carolina*
Green may have been the best sixth man in college basketball this year. He doesn't do anything to really wow you, but has a nice all around game on bothends of the floor. He can shoot, lock down the opposing team's best player and really hustles. Most likely he's a second round pick, but with a greatOrlando pre-draft camp he could sneak into the late first round.

Donte Greene, F, Syracuse*
Greene is a long, athletic forward who can play both inside and out. He had a very strong start to the season before hitting the wall in the second half. Teamslove his talent, but he's still raw and finding a position. He could go anywhere from the late lottery to mid-first round.

Richard Hendrix, F, Alabama*
Despite Hendrix's NBA body, athleticism and excellent numbers in the SEC this season, scouts aren't totally sold on him. They believe he is undersizedfor his position and needs polish on the offensive end. Still, Hendrix is smart to test the waters. He's a junior and he can give teams a free look. If heimpresses, he could go anywhere from the late teens to mid 20s. If he doesn't impress, he can return to Alabama for his senior season.

J.J. Hickson, F, North Carolina State*
Hickson has the NBA body and athleticism, and he put up great numbers as a freshman at NC State. But he is going to be a bit of a project and could really useanother year in college. If he stays in the draft, look for him to go in the 15-25 range.

Lester Hudson, G, Tennessee-Martin*
This big-time scorer out of the Ohio Valley Conference is intriguing. He's an excellent athlete, good shooter, excellent rebounder and can play the pointpart time. However, he's played just one year of D-I basketball, turns 24 in August. He could be a second-round pick.

Shawn James, PF, Duquesne*
James is one of the best shot blockers in the country and has the size and athletic ability to be a pro. But his lack of strength and still emerging offensivegame, combined with the fact that he turns 25 in September are all strikes against him. He's a likely second round to undrafted pick.

Davon Jefferson, F, USC
Jefferson originally said he'd be returning for his sophomore season at USC, but he's reportedly changed his mind. Jefferson is a top tier athlete andalready has a NBA body. But his basketball skills still need work and he's a couple years older than most freshmen. He's a late first to second-roundpick.

DeAndre Jordan, C, Texas A&M*
As a physical specimen, Jordan is a high lottery pick. He's huge, strong and athletic. However, he's pretty raw on both ends of the floor. His lack ofproduction, especially in the second half of the season, has hurt his stock. However, big workouts could move him up again. He could go anywhere in the 5-12range.

Kosta Koufos, C, Ohio State*
He began his freshman season ranked as a potential Top 10 prospect, hit the wall midseason and finished strong. He's a very skilled big man with excellentperimeter skills. However, his so-so athleticism and rebounding ability limit his upside. Look for him to be a late-lottery to mid-first-round pick.

Ty Lawson, PG, North Carolina*
One of the fastest point guards in college basketball, Lawson has a great assist-to-turnover ratio and can be a leader on the floor. He projects to be aRaymond Felton-like guard in the pros. Look for him to go somewhere between 20-35 if he stays in the draft.

Brook Lopez, C, Stanford
Brook Lopez has the physical tools and offensive abilities to be an excellent NBA player. He has great size, length and above-average athleticism. He's aneffective scorer in the paint and can stretch the defense away from the basket. Right now he projects as the top center in the draft and a potential Top 5pick.

Robin Lopez, C, Stanford
Robin Lopez is more athletic and has a better motor than his brother. He's an active rebounder and excellent shot-blocker. He lacks any real polish on theoffensive end of the floor, but he has improved in that area this season. Right now teams see him as a defensive stopper in the Anderson Varejao mold. He'sprobably a late first to early second-round pick.

Kevin Love, F/C, UCLA*
Love was one of the best players in college basketball this season, but will his game translate to the pros? He can score inside and out, has great strengthand is the best outlet passer in basketball. But his lack of athleticism along with questions about his conditioning and the health of his knees are majorflags. He should fall somewhere between 9 and 18.

Leo Lyons, PF, Missouri*
Lyons is an athletic power forward who strung together some nice games toward the end of the season. He's interesting as a prospect, but hasn't doneenough in college to warrant a first round pick. He's a second rounder to undrafted though he could help his stock with an excellent Orlando pre-draftcamp.

O.J. Mayo, G, USC
Mayo's stock has been all over the place -- he was a potential No. 1 pick last summer and slipped to a late lottery pick early in the season. However,Mayo's steady play in the second half of the season won over scouts who see him as a potentially dominant scorer in the NBA. He should go anywhere in the3-7 range.

JaVale McGee, F/C, Nevada
McGee, a long lanky, ultra-athletic big man, has been solidly on NBA scouts' radar screen all season. He had a coming out party against North Carolina inDecember and from that point forward, has been considered a draft sleeper for anywhere from the late lottery to late first round. Right now we have himsomewhere in the middle, but with great workouts, he has the potential to crack the lottery. You aren't going to find many prospects with his combinationof size, length, athleticism and basketball skills.

Jemel McNeal, G, Marquette*
McNeal has the athleticism and scoring ability NBA teams look for in a 2-guard. But his lack of size and so-so perimeter shot mean he's likely a secondround to undrafted type of pick.

Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, F, UCLA*
Two years ago, scouts were talking about him as a potential lottery pick. His stock has plummeted since then, but his strong play in the NCAA tournament helpedrevive some interest. He is an excellent athlete and a tenacious defender, and he can finish around the basket. But he still lacks a jumper or a way to createhis own shot. He's on the first-round bubble.

Jeremy Pargo, PG, Gonzaga*
Pargo is an excellent athlete and capable distributor (six assists per game last season), but he didn't have a dominant year at Gonzaga. He shot just 26percent from 3 and played out of control at times. He's a second-round pick right now if he stays in the draft. He'll have to have to dominate inOrlando and in workouts to get into the first round. Expect him to return to Gonzaga for his senior season.

Trent Plaisted, C, BYU*
Plaisted has the size and athleticism to succeed in the NBA, but he still battles inconsistency -- he had a promising freshman season, a disappointingsophomore season and an up-and-down junior season. Right now, he's on the first-round bubble, but with strong workouts he could be a mid-to-latefirst-round pick.

Anthony Randolph, F, LSU
A big-time athlete, he has great size and is an excellent rebounder and an emerging offensive force. He needs to add strength and experience but many GMsbelieve he is one of the most talented players in the draft. He's been compared to everyone from Chris Bosh to Brandan Wright. Look for Randolph to goanywhere in the 5-10 range.

John Riek, C, Prep School
Riek is a huge, 7-2 center who wowed scouts at LeBron's high school camp last year. Some scouts said at the time that he'd be a lottery pick this year.But injuries have really derailed him all year and scouts report that he has been out of shape and hasn't improved his game. If he can get healthy, someonewill take him in the late first to second round.

Derrick Rose, PG, Memphis
Rose has all the physical tools to be a superstar. He has great size, strength, athleticism and speed for his position. He also has a great feel for the game,plays unselfishly and can score on just about anyone off the dribble. Scouts wish he would improve his jump shot, especially from 3-point range, but that'shis only real weakness. On some draft boards he's the No. 1 pick. On others he's the No. 2. I doubt he slides past there.

Brandon Rush, SG, Kansas
Rush entered the draft as a high school senior and again last year, only to suffer an injury during workouts. He's praying that the third time is thecharm. He has the skill set, size and athleticism to be an excellent pro player. The question is ... does he have the will? His passiveness has concernedscouts over the years, though he stepped up big for KU in the second half of the season. He's a mid-to-late first-round pick.

Josh Shipp, G/F, UCLA*
A major slump toward the end of the season badly hurt Shipp's stock. He does have good size and versatility for his position, but he has a lot of damagecontrol to do. He's a likely late second round to undrafted pick in the draft.

Marreese Speights, F/C, Florida*
Speights is one of the most efficient low-post scorers in college basketball. He's not especially flashy, but can be brutally effective in the paint, bothscoring and grabbing rebounds. Scouts question his position a little and his conditioning, but overall they project him as a late lottery to mid first-roundpick.

Ronald Steele, G, Alabama*
Steele was once considered a potential first rounder, but a subpar junior season and a season long injury this year have dramatically hurt his stock. He'sgoing to try to go out and show NBA teams that he's 100 percent and hope for a miracle, but right now it looks highly unlikely that he'd be afirst-round pick. Look for him to return to Alabama for his senior year.

Robert Vaden, G, Alabama-Birmingham*
Vaden transferred from Indiana to UAB this year and lit up Conference USA this season. Vaden is a deadly outside shooter, but doesn't do much else. He doeshave a good NBA body, but doesn't have great athleticism. Barring a lights-out performance at the Orlando predraft camp, he'll rank somewhere in themid-to-late second round and return to UAB for his senior season.

Bill Walker, G/F, Kansas State*
Walker is one of the most athletic players in the draft, but he's still recovering from the ACL surgery he underwent last season. At times he looked likethe old Bill Walker this season -- the high-flying, sweet-shooting Vince Carter clone. But other times he didn't look like NBA material at all. He'sprojected as a second-round pick, though someone may take him late in the first round based on his upside.

Russell Westbrook, G, UCLA*
At the beginning of the season, he wasn't on any draft boards. By midseason scouts were talking about Westbrook as a first rounder. Now, most scouts havehim rated as the best pro prospect on the UCLA team. His combination of size, athleticism, strength and versatility means he's likely to go somewhere inthe 8-15 range.

INTERNATIONAL
International players under 22 years old who have declared or who are likely to declare

Alexis Ajinca, PF, France
Ajinca is a very fluid athlete for someone his size. He also has a lot of skills facing the basket. However, he desperately needs to add strength andexperience before he's ready for the NBA. He's a late first round to early second round pick if he stays in the draft.

Nicolas Batum, SF, France
Batum is a big time athlete who can score in a variety of ways. He has very good size for his position. However, his disappointing performance in France thisyear, combined with criticism that he's a little soft, have hurt his stock. He's a mid to late first round pick.

Rodrigue Beaubois, PG, France
Beaubois is an athletic point guard who can really get up the floor. But his lack of experience playing at the highest level concerns scouts. He's a likelysecond round pick.

Omri Casspi, F, Israel
Casspi may be the best prospect to ever come out of Israel. He's beginning to contribute on one of the best teams in Israel. He's tough and skilled,though not an off the charts athlete. Looks like a late first to second round pick.

Victor Claver, F, Spain
Claver is considered one of the best prospects in Europe with good athleticism and skill for his size. However a poor year at Valencia has hurt his stock.He's a late first to second-round pick.

Nando De Colo, PG, France
Big combo guard has great basketball IQ, but does he have the athleticism and lateral quickness to make it in the NBA? A potential second-round pick.

Danilo Gallinari, SF, Italy
Gallinari is the best international prospect in the draft. He is very versatile and has a fantastic basketball IQ. He's putting up big numbers at a youngage on one of the top teams in Europe. However, his so-so athleticism and lack of a reliable deep jumper hurt his stock. He's all over the board. Somescouts have him ranked as the No. 3 pick. Most have him in the late lottery.

Serge Ibaka, F, Congo
Ibaka is a long, athletic forward who really gets up and down the floor. He's also developing a reliable jump shot. However, his lack of experience andstrength make him an intriguing long term project. He's a late first round to second round pick.

Joe Ingles, F, Australia
Ingles is one of the top young players in Australia. He's a scorer who makes his living taking it to the basket. He's a likely second round pick.

Luc Louves, F, France
Louves is a long, athletic forward who is still trying to figure out the game. He has a lot of raw ability, but is a definite project. He's a secondrounder to undrafted.

Rudy Mbemba, PG, Sweden
Super athletic point guard has been a star at the Reebok Eurocamp the past few years. His lack of size and experience at a high level hurt him, but there'sno denying his physical tools and emerging offensive game. A likely second round pick.

Giorgi Shermadini, C, Georgia
Versatile big man makes his living facing the basket. Think a poor man's Mehmet Okur. A likely second round pick.

Ante Tomic, C, Croatia
Tomic is perhaps, the most skilled big man in Europe. He's put up solid numbers the past few years in the Adriatic league. However, his lack of strengthcontinues to hurt him. A likely late first round pick.

OUT THE DRAFT

Players who have officially announced they will return to college next year

Earl Clark, F, Louisville
Clark announced he was declaring for the draft a few weeks ago and then reversed course and said he was returning to Louisville for his junior season. It'sa good call. Clark is still a little raw, especially on the offensive end and he could add some strength to his wiry frame. He has the potential to be alottery pick in 2009.

Darren Collison, PG, UCLA
Collison is one of the quickest guards in college basketball, but his lack of size and struggles in the NCAA tournament hurt his draft stock. So did the factthat he really got overshadowed by Russell Westbrook in the second half of the season. Next year is a weaker draft and that should help his stock, thoughhe'll be pushed by a couple of McDonald's All-Americans for playing time.

Stephen Curry, SG, Davidson
Curry dominated the 2008 NCAA tournament and his stock has never been higher. Another great year at Davidson, this time playing point guard, could make him alock for the first round in 2009.

Blake Griffin, F, Oklahoma
Scouts compare him to Carlos Boozer. He's projected as a Top 5 pick in the 2009 draft.

Tyler Hansbrough, PF, North Carolina
On the one hand, it's tough to see how he improves his stock with another year at UNC. He is what he is -- a super-energetic, tough power forward who lacksthe height and athleticism NBA scouts desire at the position. On the other hand, next year's draft looks considerably weaker and he'll have a shot atgoing in the mid-first round. If he had stayed in this year's draft, he'd have been a late first-round pick.

James Harden, SG, Arizona State
He's a versatile scorer, but he isn't an elite prospect because of just so-so athleticism. Still, he projects as a mid-to-late first-rounder in 2009.

Eric Maynor, PG, Virginia Commonwealth
Maynor got significant buzz in the NCAA tournament two years ago but was unable to capitalize on it as a junior. Right now, he's considered a second-roundpick by most scouts. He needs to return to the NCAA tournament to get back into the first-round discussion.

Jeff Pendergraph, F, Arizona State
Pendergraph is a talented low-post scorer with good size and a great motor, but he's still a ways away from the NBA. He's making a smart decision;he'd be a second-round pick this year, but with an excellent senior season he could crack the first round.

Tyrese Rice, PG, Boston College
Rice continues to show he's one of the best scoring point guards in the country. But his lack of size and questions about whether he's really a pointguard continue to haunt him. He would've been a second round to undrafted pick had he declared, so he's making the right choice to return.

Tyler Smith, SF, Tennessee
A potential late first-round pick this year, Smith has great length, athleticism and an all-around game. However, although he had an excellent season, hehasn't dominated at Tennessee. Another strong season would make him a potential mid-first-round pick.

Hasheem Thabeet, C, UConn
Thabeet has the size, strength and defensive presence that usually translates into a lottery pick. But Thabeet still has a ways to go before he's ready toplay in the NBA. Despite significant improvement this year, he's still very raw on the offensive end. He's making a smart call. Next year he projectsas a potential Top 10 pick if he continues to develop.

Terrence Williams, G/F, Louisville
Williams is an amazing athlete and excellent rebounder for a swingman. He's very versatile on both ends of the floor. He'll do a little of everything.However, his inconsistent jump shot hurts his stock. So does the fact that he doesn't really ever take over games the way his talent suggests. He wasprobably not a first-round pick this year so it is a smart move to return to Louisville for his senior season.

Sam Young, F, Pittsburgh
Young had a breakout year at a Pittsburgh. He has the size and NBA athleticism NBA scouts like and would've had a good shot at getting into the late firstround. If he improves next year, he could be a mid-first round pick.




And..

My Top 50, discuss if you like..I DID NOT include foreign players...haven't seen em, so won't act like I have

1. Derrick Rose
2. Mike Beasley
3. OJ Mayo
4. Brook Lopez
5. Jerryd Bayless
6. Darrell Arthur
7. Eric Gordon
8. Anthony Randolph
9. DJ Augustin
10.Kevin Love
11. Russell Westbrook
12. Jason Thompson
13. Javele McGee
14. Roy Hibbert
15. Chris Douglas Roberts
16. DeAndre Jordan
17. Kosta Koufus
18. Brandon Rush
19. Joe Alexander
20. Donte Greene
21. Chase Budinger
22. Robin Lopez
23. JJ Hickson
24. Davon Jefferson
25. Marreese Speights
26. Courtney Lee
27. Ryan Anderson
28. Mario Chalmers
29. DJ White
30. Bill Walker
31. Lester Hudson
32. Richard Hendrix
33. Ty Lawson
34. Joey Dorsey
35. Devon Hardin
36. Wayne Ellington
37. Pat Ewing JR
38. JR Giddens
39. Jamont Gordon
40. Kyle Weaver
41. Gary Forbes
42. Will Daniels
43. Jerel McNeal
44. James Gist
45. Darnell Jackson
46. Pat Calathes
47. Sonny Weems
48. Sean Singletary
49. Shan Foster
50. Josh Duncan


This can be updated with workouts, pre draft measurements, the lottery, etc..figured all the talk could use some condensing
 
He should fall somewhere between 9 and 18.

Good lord
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Zachary Feinstein
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Please, PLEASE, let Minnesota move up, for once.

Derrick Rose/Michael Beasley + Al Jeff-Foye-McCants =
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^^ oh and I couldn't have been more wrong on Westbrook, I'll admit that. You were correct.
 
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Knicks with a Top 2 Pick..

"The first three picks will be determined by lottery on May 20 and positions 4 through 14 will be be in reverse order of regular-season record"

Que? I thought the top 14 were determined by lottery? Is $tern f'n *expletive* up again?
 
Anything less than # 2 for Miami is a disappointment


Beasley and Rose FTW


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Make it happen Stern
 
To my knowledge it has always been the top 3 determined by the lottery while picks 4-14 are based on team records.
 
i hope the grizzlies can get some lottery luck and land the #2 pick. b-easy + rudy
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. i think miami would take rose.
 
so did josh shipp sign with an agent?

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if he thinks he is gonna get drafted
he's hanging out with Farmar and Walton - going to yoga classes with them, so these guys may be pranking him.
 
Originally Posted by BaronDavis5

hope Warriors pull the impossible and get the 1st pick
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What do you think happens?

I mean, GSW gets the #1 pick, they're looking between Rose + Beasley.

Shouldn't the Warriors start to develop Wright along, who's shown flashes of potential this season? Or is he better suited at the 5, and have himbackup Biedrins? (Assuming they resign him)

Or do you pick Rose? It's looking more likely that BDiddy would be a fool to use his player option and opt out, as, nobody is going to throw him the typeof $ he's making now. But, you sign him to an extension, and then what? Looks like a crowded backcourt.

Or do you just use it as trade bait, and look to unload a bad contract/get back a veteran?
 
Originally Posted by antoekneeo

To my knowledge it has always been the top 3 determined by the lottery while picks 4-14 are based on team records.
well what the hell are picks 15-30 based on?

If only the top 3 are determined by lottery balls, why are Knicks, Warriors fans etc.. hoping for a top 3 pick? This mess can't be right. All 14"lottery" teams position in the draft are determined by the balls.. I wasn't born yesterday so when the hell did this come about?

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This is the only solution I could come up with that justifies your answer..

14 lottery teams are placed in the lottery thing
$tern pulls 3 balls out
first ball drawn is 3rd pick? or 1st pick?
second ball is drawn.. 2nd pick
third ball is drawn.. 1st pick? or 3rd pick?

remaining 11 lotto teams fall into place depending on record

Is that correct? If so,
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never realized that..
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$tern with all his unwritten complications so he can 'fix' things how he sees fit.
 
Originally Posted by franchise3

Originally Posted by BaronDavis5

hope Warriors pull the impossible and get the 1st pick
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What do you think happens?

I mean, GSW gets the #1 pick, they're looking between Rose + Beasley.

Shouldn't the Warriors start to develop Wright along, who's shown flashes of potential this season? Or is he better suited at the 5, and have him backup Biedrins? (Assuming they resign him)

Or do you pick Rose? It's looking more likely that BDiddy would be a fool to use his player option and opt out, as, nobody is going to throw him the type of $ he's making now. But, you sign him to an extension, and then what? Looks like a crowded backcourt.

Or do you just use it as trade bait, and look to unload a bad contract/get back a veteran?
lmao, we've beaten this topic to death in our offseason thread (thanks to me
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) but if we get a no.1 pick i think i'm goin Rose. Nothin against Beasley,but Rose is a very special player and he can make just as big an impact as CP3/Deron has made...although Beasley could give us a post presence that we mayneed, we already have a PF prospect (a great one at that) in Brandan Wright. I just think that drafting Rose would be the right move for the future. AND THISIS NOTHING AGAINST BARON, but it's a wise move for the future of the team to me.
of course, if we do get it, Baron will either be traded pre-draft, opt out, or stay on the team as a "mentor".

There aren't many players I would take for the No. 1 pick and most of them that i'd consider, none of the teams will even think about it.
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And I'll be happy with either Rose/Beasley/Lopez whoever it may be (if wehit lotto) but I'd take Rose over each of them.
 
The GSW offseason thread is too active. I barely check it. I should've known you guys discussed this in there though.
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Originally Posted by antoekneeo

To my knowledge it has always been the top 3 determined by the lottery while picks 4-14 are based on team records.

incorrect, 15-30 are based on team records. 1-14 are all determined by the ping pong balls.
 
Originally Posted by 10508 Cardo Jr Ln

Originally Posted by antoekneeo

To my knowledge it has always been the top 3 determined by the lottery while picks 4-14 are based on team records.
well what the hell are picks 15-30 based on?

If only the top 3 are determined by lottery balls, why are Knicks, Warriors fans etc.. hoping for a top 3 pick? This mess can't be right. All 14 "lottery" teams position in the draft are determined by the balls.. I wasn't born yesterday so when the hell did this come about?

:edit:

This is the only solution I could come up with that justifies your answer..

14 lottery teams are placed in the lottery thing
$tern pulls 3 balls out
first ball drawn is 3rd pick? or 1st pick?
second ball is drawn.. 2nd pick
third ball is drawn.. 1st pick? or 3rd pick?

remaining 11 lotto teams fall into place depending on record

Is that correct? If so,
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never realized that..
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$tern with all his unwritten complications so he can 'fix' things how he sees fit.

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some people just can't get the facts right.
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. It's easily misunderstood that the first three are determined in the SECOND ROUND. The rest are determined by record.
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, So in other words, picks31-33.



1-14 are always chose by the lottery.
 
i dont know how true that is


boston and memphis had the worst records in basketball last year, and they got the 5th and 4th pick respectivly



portland and seattle had the 5th and 6th worse redord in the L last year and ended with the first 2 picks


so the only the yop 3 teams have a chance at teh first pic is crap
 
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