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I just hate the fact that everytime Vegeta had a power boost, you know damn well there's an impending " washing " he's gonna get from the villain
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so, at the moment in terms of power level
Vegeta>Trunks>Goku
I don't think learning the Mafuba gave any power boost to Goku.
Kaioken is a temporary boost that strains the body, hence Goku almost never using it. Sure, when Goku uses it, he has a 15 second advantage over Vegeta but that's all it, just 15 seconds. Not nearly enough to say Goku is stronger than Vegeta.Because Goku using kaioken even in Ssj couldn't compete with Gohan in Ssj2. However Goku and Vegeta are both SSJ god blue, and Goku can go further than that with Ssj god blue with kaioken while vegeta is just....SSj god blue.....
Vegeta = Goku > Trunks.so, at the moment in terms of power level
Vegeta>Trunks>Goku
I don't think learning the Mafuba gave any power boost to Goku.
It may be a little longer than 15 seconds but its a technique that makes Goku stronger, just like super saiyan is a technique that makes a saiyan stronger. However you view it, Goku has a technique that makes him....stronger...than...vegetaKaioken is a temporary boost that strains the body, hence Goku almost never using it. Sure, when Goku uses it, he has a 15 second advantage over Vegeta but that's all it, just 15 seconds. Not nearly enough to say Goku is stronger than Vegeta.
That's 1 move Goku has that gives him the advantage over Vegeta. Final Flash is more powerful than Kamehameha, does that make Vegeta stronger than Goku? Goku has a move that gives him the advantage over Vegeta and vice versa. THEY'RE BOTH EVEN.It may be a little longer than 15 seconds but its a technique that makes Goku stronger, just like super saiyan is a technique that makes a saiyan stronger. However you view it, Goku has a technique that makes him....stronger...than...vegeta
Where in the manga or show was it determined that Final Flash is stronger than Kamehameha? I've seen the Kamehameha disintegrate Cell, I've never seen the final flash do anything closeThat's 1 move Goku has that gives him the advantage over Vegeta. Final Flash is more powerful than Kamehameha, does that make Vegeta stronger than Goku? Goku has a move that gives him the advantage over Vegeta and vice versa. THEY'RE BOTH EVEN.
Vegeta fired a Final Flash that did disintegrate Cell and was strong enough to shake the planet and go off the planet. Kamehameha never did that. And Kaioken IS an energy attack. It gives him an energy boost, thus making his Kamehameha stronger, make Goku faster, etc.Where in the manga or show was it determined that Final Flash is stronger than Kamehameha? I've seen the Kamehameha disintegrate Cell, I've never seen the final flash do anything close and beyond that we're talking about physical power.
Well for one you said that Goku and Vegeta are even, not that one surpassed the other, which is wrong.
How is Vegeta even with Goku when Goku can use the Kaioken technique and multiply his power level by 40x? Thats like me saying "Goku and Vegeta aren't even because Goku can go super saiyan and vegeta can't" and you saying "Okay??"
Y'all thought I was play pimping huh?
Bruh how you pull this off I need it
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As a Vegeta fan this statement is so damn accurate.Goku and Vegeta are both "genetic freaks". Goku has just had the advantage of the plot going in his favor almost every time he reached a new level.
Sadly so is this. My dude always catches the humbling when he starts to shine.I just hate the fact that everytime Vegeta had a power boost, you know damn well there's an impending " washing " he's gonna get from the villain
I swear, we just have the same arguments again and again in here
Compared to Vegeta's technique which has 0% chance of working? Goku still has access to a technique that multiplies his power. Vegeta can't do that, therefore making Goku stronger.Not this argument again lol
SSB kaioken is a fluke move. Goku said it himself that there's only a 10% chance it'll work and 90% chance of killing him. Do you think if the kaioken x sbb was so easy to use Goku wouldn't have gotten washed by black twice? If what makes Goku stronger than vegeta is a technique that fails 9/10 times they're pretty damn even.
Why are you Amel223 reincarnated bringing this subject back up?!?Compared to Vegeta's technique which has 0% chance of working? Goku still has access to a technique that multiplies his power. Vegeta can't do that, therefore making Goku stronger.
Vegeta fans always tryna protect that man. This is Goku's story, Vegeta has been the opening act since '88...
I don't see how you can keep this up. Goku has Kaioken, Vegeta doesn't. Final Flash > Kamehameha. That makes them even.Compared to Vegeta's technique which has 0% chance of working? Goku still has access to a technique that multiplies his power. Vegeta can't do that, therefore making Goku stronger.
Vegeta fans always tryna protect that man. This is Goku's story, Vegeta has been the opening act since '88...
Lmao what??? Ok, Goku Kamehameha x Kaioken, Vegeta Final Flash x ?I don't see how you can keep this up. Goku has Kaioken, Vegeta doesn't. Final Flash > Kamehameha. That makes them even.