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[stuntman mike]

chinese athletes on PEDs?!?!?!

 

[SuperJ5]

The Chinese have the luxury of specializing these kids from very young ages and being ruthless with them. They break many bodies before generating any of these "superstars." This is true in olympic weightlifting, gymnastics, handbalancing, and other sports. It's impressive to watch, but a sad reality for these athletes.

Yep as kids they are measured and assessed and placed in specialized training academies when they're old enough.  More on Chinese weightlifting in the spoiler...

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

[h3]A Look Behind The Gold of Chinese Weightlifting[/h3]
 [table][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]Photo Credit - Yatin Parasher[/td][/tr][/table] 
RECRUITMENT

In China every government district is asked to test and assess children from ages 8 to 13, and select candidates for sports schools. Children that show promise move on to bigger government training academies when they are teenagers. They also send recruiters out around the country looking for children of certain body types and going to their parents and getting them to send them to national training centers.

Doctors measure height, arm span, bone density, flexibility and other things to predict what a child will be like in the future. X-rays and bone tests are used to determine bone density and structure and predict future growth. Believe it or not they also measure testicle size in men and breast size in females. They look for small breasted women with thin triceps and belly fat, because that shows a higher amount of testosterone. They also look for women, with a squarish jawline because that indicates high testosterone levels and ability to build muscle.
[table][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]An 8 year-old Chinese boy training with his coach[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]A Chinese girls callused hands[/td][/tr][/table]
China has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on sports academies, talent scouts, psychologists, foreign coaches and latest technology and science. China puts particular emphasis on developing programs in sports that have a lot events and give lots of medals such as shooting, gymnastics, swimming, rowing and track and field.

In preparation for the Beijing Olympics more than 30,000 Chinese athletes are training full time, five times more than the number who will actually compete in the Olympics.

WORDS FROM THE CHINESE ATHLETES

China-born, Los Angeles Times journalist Ni Ching Ching wrote: “When I was in the first grade, scouts from the Communist sports machinery came to our school to hunt for future champions. The event was diving. Never mind that I couldn’t swim and had no desire to be an athlete, I was told I had the right proportions and good feet. Chosen from a field of thousands to train at a state sports school, I was supposed to be thrilled to serve my country.”

Liu Huana, a player from the countryside who earned a place on China’s national women’s soccer team, told the Washington Post, “I had never heard of soccer until I was 13, when I moved to the county for my fifth-grade studies. One day people from the local athletic school came to our school to select new members. The teacher recommended me because I was the fastest runner in the class. I wore a skirt and sandal shoes that day, and I just took off my shoes and ran.”
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[/td][/tr][tr][td]Yao Ming - Former NBA Player[/td][/tr][/table]
Yao was sent to a full-time sports academy when he was 12. At that age he was already 6 foot, five inches. By measuring his knuckles sports officials predicted he would grow to 7 foot five inches and special attention was given to groom him to be a future star. Yao later said he didn’t even like playing the game until he 18 or 19. “My parents would probably prefer for me to go to college and play basketball only as a hobby.” To make sure he didn’t skip practice his coach went to his house and accompanied him to practice everyday.

TRAINING

1. The Chinese have no specific routine, but more like an outline of what certain days will be focused on.
2. China demands and expects to be the best in the world, so the pressure to be great is very high.
3.  Coaches work on finding weaknesses the athletes need to work on. Absolute strength is more important than speed strength.  They don’t care how fast the athletes squat or pull is.  One must be fast regardless of how they train.
4. The athletes train roughly 25hrs/week and spend another 12 on recovery
5. Advanced lifters usually train 8 sessions/week with each day being focused on a particular lift (Snatch, Clean, Jerk, etc.) Heavy Squats and Pulls are not done in the same session due to back fatigue.
6.  Very short rest periods, work done at 85-90% 2 mins of rest at most.
7. They perform a lot of “bodybuilding” accessory work post lift. This may include 1-arm DB presses, Dips, Handstand Push-ups, Lat Pull Downs, Back Extensions, and tons of core work. All these usually performed in the 10-15 rep range. “Bigger muscles mean more strength”
8.  On their recovery days they consider running, jumping and other accessory work as recovery. I will go more in depth with in the recovery section.

 
Here is a typical training week they use:

Monday Morning:

Power Clean + 3 Push Press

Heavy Back Squat - 3 reps

Accessory Work

Evening:

Clean + 2 Jerks - Going into heavy (90%)

Clean Pulls 3 reps, 5-6 sets (110%-115%)

Accessory Work

Tuesday Morning:

Muscle Snatch, 2 reps

Front Squat, 3 reps

Press, 3-5 reps

Accessory Work

Evening:

Snatch, 2reps (80%-85%)

Snatch Pull 3 reps, (110%-115%)

Snatch Accessory, Hangs or complex.

Accessory Work

Wednesday:

Clean & Jerk (80%)

Clean Pulls 2-3 reps

Jerk Dips

Thursday:  Accessory Work or unrelated activity. 

Friday:  Max Day - Heavy lifting for both lifts. Depending on the phase they may focus more on the one for weight and do one lighter.  

Saturday:

Power Clean + Push Press

Heavy Back Squat, 3-5 reps

Sunday:  Rest Day 

 [table][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]Photo Credit - Yatin Parasher[/td][/tr][/table]

INCENTIVES

Basically if you win, you get taken care of…

• Most athletes make anywhere from $500 to $1500 per month to live on
• All food, housing, supplements and therapy are covered
• Pay increases with success, so the more medals the more money the athlete will receive
• Almost every Friday the athletes will max out, and the team manager will put money on the table and make a bet with the athletes. If the athletes hit a new personal best they get the money that was put up. This ranges anywhere from $1200 to $1500. So elite lifters like Lu Xiaojun  and Liao Hui can double their stipend.  These bets are usually done on the professional teams, not the younger athletes
• Athletes that win gold receives over 2 million dollars, and anything after that is usually $80,000 to $100,000.  
• Rich business men from Hong Kong and China send money or big gold bricks to show appreciation to their medal winners
• The hometown or district of the athletes will often give them a house or land if they win  

 
RECOVERY METHODS

 [table][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]Photo Credit - Yatin Parasher[/td][/tr][/table] 

Below I will list several methods the Chinese use and believe in, some seem a little out there but I guess if it isn’t broke don’t fix it.

Cupping Therapy- An ancient Chinese form of medicine to promote healing

Hydrotherapy/Massaging- Under water massages and mineral baths

Herbal Tea- Addresses fat levels within the body, aids in proper sleep and  overall body relaxation.

Horny Goat Weed- HGW is an herb that has been a traditional remedy in China for centuries. It’s used for low libido, erectile dysfunction, fatigue, pain, and other conditions. The Chinese claim this to be a natural testosterone booster.

Icing of the Testicles – YES YOU READ IT RIGHT, the Chinese have research that shows icing your testicles 2x a day for about 10mins speeds up recovery and helps increase testosterone. GOOD LUCK
 

 

[stuntman mike]

that dude lu is a monster

 

[SuperQ]

better in what respect? It's got a decent profile for a blend but is pretty pricey.

Better by how many grams per scoop, the blend, just the overall profile of it. I like how its so low in carbs cause I like to control my carb intake with oats or a malto if I cant eat after training. Ive tried other brands but just keep going back to Pro Complex. Im always up for suggestions, though.

 

[sofa king awsm]

that dude lu is a monster

this so much

gawd like

 

[everysingletime]

You guys are just talking about Lu in general right? Cuz that lifter from the last page isn't Lu

 

[bigboss]

I am Lu. 

 

[yanky]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

 

[everysingletime]

I am Lu. 

Lu, I am your father

 

[SuperQ]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

What is your diet like? How often are you eating? What are you eating?

 

[based mod]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

Start off by telling us what you're currently doing to lose the belly

 

[picasso swerve]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

If you arent dieting and cardio, those fat burners wont do ****.

You dont need fat burners, its not a shortcut (which most people believe). Consistency, a good diet and exercise is ALL you need. I lost 35lbs this summer.

 

[everysingletime]

Two weeks prior to a wedding (not mine) where I need to fit into a tux and I pigged out like crazy tonight

Lmao ****

 

[tdogg2k]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

Basically Fat burners should be used more for that Plateau breaker.
diet well first. when you hit that plateau intro fat burners.
I use Roxy Lean 2 years now and it's worked well (during show prep, and once during my summer cut)

 

[al audi]

dont use a fat burner until your 7 weeks out

 

[dropten]

Basically Fat burners should be used more for that Plateau breaker.
diet well first. when you hit that plateau intro fat burners.
I use Roxy Lean 2 years now and it's worked well (during show prep, and once during my summer cut)

you have any competition pics?

 

[tdogg2k]

Yea, I'm middle weight though lol
small body, i did it more for a complete my goal thing, (use to be a fat boy), now I want to get in it. a lot more seriously.

 

[SuperQ]

Basically Fat burners should be used more for that Plateau breaker.
diet well first. when you hit that plateau intro fat burners.
I use Roxy Lean 2 years now and it's worked well (during show prep, and once during my summer cut)

Thats exactly why I asked what and how he was eating...

 

[SuperQ]

you have any competition pics?

Dropten, havent you competed? If so, pics?

Yea, I'm middle weight though lol
small body, i did it more for a complete my goal thing, (use to be a fat boy), now I want to get in it. a lot more seriously.

Dont matter, fam. You got in it and did the damn thing, be proud of your work. If you got em, post em

 

[SuperQ]

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2007 USA in Vegas, lightheavies

 

[SuperQ]

Didnt upload right. Damn tablets...I'll fix it tomorrow.

 

[yanky]

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

What is your diet like? How often are you eating? What are you eating?

I'm a vegetarian so here's the breakdown

Breakfast-bowl of oatmeal cereal that has almonds and nuts with milk
lunch-6 eggs and a cup of brown rice
snack-an apple, banana, or any other type of fruit i can get my hands on
dinner-flour tortilla made at home with some vegetables and yogurt. Dinner varies but usually it's about 2 cups of veggies with the flour tortilla all the time.

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

Start off by telling us what you're currently doing to lose the belly

Posted above you.

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

If you arent dieting and cardio, those fat burners wont do ****.

You dont need fat burners, its not a shortcut (which most people believe). Consistency, a good diet and exercise is ALL you need. I lost 35lbs this summer.

I guess I just wanted to use a fat burner to help speed up the process. I've been doing cardio on and off for the past month now so that might be why I'm resorting to fat burners but I know I need to get back on it asap.

Hopefully someone here can steer me in the right direction. I have a belly that I'm looking to get rid of and was thinking about getting a fat burner to help the process of losing the fat. Now there are a ton of supplements out there and I have no idea where to even begin. Does anyone here use a fat burner? If so which one and why? And yes I am aware that dieting and cardio will help a lot also.

Basically Fat burners should be used more for that Plateau breaker.
diet well first. when you hit that plateau intro fat burners.
I use Roxy Lean 2 years now and it's worked well (during show prep, and once during my summer cut)

Appreciate it. Why did you choose that one over all the other ones? Just personal preference?

Thanks for the replies fellas!

 

[shiznut123]

Meanwhile in China.... 20 year old 85kg/187lb lifter with a 218kg/480lb clean and jerk  

 

Beautiful

 

[shiznut123]

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2007 USA in Vegas, lightheavies

I can click on them to view. Excellent physique sir!

 

[tdogg2k]

Didnt upload right. Damn tablets...I'll fix it tomorrow.

Damn big homie, I may need to PM you if that's cool.



we're like 3 pages behind that, let it go.