The Friendzone vol r/niceguy

a conversation about "incels" or involuntary celibates  
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Why don't these attention seeking women just have relationships with the nice guys? Won't that make everyone happy?

It dont work that way. They feel entitled. I'm nice to you. Listen to you. Agree with you and basically treat you with respect so you SHOULD give me sex!

That's not realistic. Just cause you act that way with a chick don't mean she owe you anything. And that's where they get caught up. Bruh this guy gets mad because he asked a girl out and she said no.. Keep in mind she was freshly divorced (3 days) out of a 6 year marriage

Plus nice guys get stepped on, used, and they are the type of people that would disregard their ideals just to agree with a girl. That's not right. Girls don't want that type of guy. You got to have a balance of being respectful not necessarily "nice" and being confident and standing up for yourself
 
I blame Pron for these friend zone guys.

They think there gonna be doing dishes one day and the friend zone chick gonna top him off while he's loading the dishwasher.
 
I blame Pron for these friend zone guys.

They think there gonna be doing dishes one day and the friend zone chick gonna top him off while he's loading the dishwasher.

prons probably the reason these guys haven't shot up the chicks friend zoning them and/or the chads.

and if ol boy wants to fap in his hand instead of smash an uggo so be it, just don't whine about it.
 
real talk this is fascinating. We all know that there are guys that have low self-esteem which leads to their girl problems, but these dude's self-esteem is so low that it's psychotic. 
 
a conversation about "incels" or involuntary celibates  
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 @ the term "incels" and the fact that they picked "involuntary celibates" to describe these dudes.
 
Some dudes don't realize how important lifting and nutrition is to improving one's SMV. Take a look on the streets every day and you'll see overweight men wearing baggy clothing to hide their guts.

There's a change that goes on in a man's mindset when he devotes himself to the iron and is determined to get ripped. It takes discipline, hard work and plenty of sweat. It's not easy and soft dudes avoid it.

Ultimately, you take of your body for no. 1 (Which is you). Those clothes fit a lot better on a lean body and people take notice. Remember there are males that have big girl fetishes but can anyone think of women that love fat guys?

Something to think about.
 
What is smv?

No, I haven't seen girls have fetishes for obese guys but have seen girls with chubby / fat guys.
 
Some dudes don't realize how important lifting and nutrition is to improving one's SMV. Take a look on the streets every day and you'll see overweight men wearing baggy clothing to hide their guts.

There's a change that goes on in a man's mindset when he devotes himself to the iron and is determined to get ripped. It takes discipline, hard work and plenty of sweat. It's not easy and soft dudes avoid it.

Ultimately, you take of your body for no. 1 (Which is you). Those clothes fit a lot better on a lean body and people take notice. Remember there are males that have big girl fetishes but can anyone think of women that love fat guys?

Something to think about.
i mean lifting can help with confidence, it def helped with mine. but i still maintain your biggest asset is having strong social skills. being able to work a room works wonders for dudes that may not be the best looking or in the best shape.  ive seen it happen plenty of times.
 
Some dudes I know always say being fat gives that bawse look like Rozay, Khaled, E40 etc.
 
i mean lifting can help with confidence, it def helped with mine. but i still maintain your biggest asset is having strong social skills. being able to work a room works wonders for dudes that may not be the best looking or in the best shape.  ive seen it happen plenty of times.
This gotta have da charisma
 
There's a difference between nice guy and pushover

Can't be an ******* all the time
 
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i mean lifting can help with confidence, it def helped with mine. but i still maintain your biggest asset is having strong social skills. being able to work a room works wonders for dudes that may not be the best looking or in the best shape.  ive seen it happen plenty of times.

Yep my mentor is 55 yr old dude that's 5'4-5'5 tops dude can work a room with the best of them
 
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I read one of those Reddit posts and that was enough for me. It pains me to know this type of person is really out there.
 
I read one of those Reddit posts and that was enough for me. It pains me to know this type of person is really out there.
The sad thing is Western society encourages this kind of behavior.

"Just be yourself" or "You'll find someone to love you for who you are". Men want to believe this is true and some think one day a unicorn will enter their lives and love them for being a lazy underachiever with no ambition. As someone earlier mentioned, I think the 80/20 theory is very true. For the most part women seek the best possible partner they can and rarely date beneath them.
 
The sad thing is Western society encourages this kind of behavior.

"Just be yourself" or "You'll find someone to love you for who you are". Men want to believe this is true and some think one day a unicorn will enter their lives and love them for being a lazy underachiever with no ambition. As someone earlier mentioned, I think the 80/20 theory is very true. For the most part women seek the best possible partner they can and rarely date beneath them.

Part of growing up is learning how to broadcast who you are as person in a way that allows people to connect with you. The problem with these guys is this unique combination of self loathing and entitlement. If they just accept that they're "autistic" and ugly and genetically trash that absolves them of any responsibility of having to make any real effort connecting with people. So it's the responsibility of everyone else to accept and incorporate them into society. It's ridiculous.

The best possible partner thing is completely subjective. What definites "best"? Because through out my life I've seen broke dudes with goals and ambition with successful women, I've seen not ideally attractive out of shape men with great personalities with women who are in shape and gorgeous. I'm sure a lot of guys will agree with me on that once you you get past those basic one night stand tactics and get to the point of making an actual connection with someone, that superficial stuff matters less and less. And that's why dudes like those in reddit won't ever have any success, they look at the end all be all as getting laid. And getting laid brings relationships and friends and a social standing. So for them in their heads if they can't be some kind of pick up artist they'll never have any success in life.

A lot of these guys' issues is that they're sh*tty people first, and ugly, poor, fat second.
 
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Guys have it pretty rough, if you think about it.

You gotta be sexy, in shape, good style/hygiene, successful, independent, confident, funny/good with the tongue, know how to lay pipe, know game, be intelligent, etc.

It's a continuous journey where you strive to be the best and maximize your happiness. There is a lot of trial-and-error, failures, and successes, but I think that's the fun part of it all.
 
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Guys have it pretty rough, if you think about it.

You gotta be sexy, in shape, good style/hygiene, successful, independent, confident, funny/good with the tongue, know how to lay pipe, know game, be intelligent, etc.

It's a continuous journey where you strive to be the best and maximize happiness. There is a lot of trial-and-error, failures, and successes, but I think that's the fun part of it all.

Thats funny u say that. Met a girl once so we were talking and i hit her with the "so what u look for in a guy?". She proceeds to reply...."handsome, smart, funny, sweet, good job, six pack, nice car, no kids etc etc". I said damn u lookin for super ***** aint u...well good luck cuz u not gonna find him.
 
 
Guys have it pretty rough, if you think about it.

You gotta be sexy, in shape, good style/hygiene, successful, independent, confident, funny/good with the tongue, know how to lay pipe, know game, be intelligent, etc.

It's a continuous journey where you strive to be the best and maximize happiness. There is a lot of trial-and-error, failures, and successes, but I think that's the fun part of it all.
Thats funny u say that. Met a girl once so we were talking and i hit her with the "so what u look for in a guy?". She proceeds to reply...."handsome, smart, funny, sweet, good job, six pack, nice car, no kids etc etc". I said damn u lookin for super ***** aint u...well good luck cuz u not gonna find him.
You can't fault them for wanting that though.

But I think there's a give-and-take here. If you're the best dude with all those qualities, would you go for a sub-par woman? I think it's also tough for guys to find great girls.
 
I have a lot of flaws so I don't judge people too strict. I just need a girl to be cute and have her personality go well with mine. Meet a lot of girls who don't like or vibe with my sense of humor.
 
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Thats funny u say that. Met a girl once so we were talking and i hit her with the "so what u look for in a guy?". She proceeds to reply...."handsome, smart, funny, sweet, good job, six pack, nice car, no kids etc etc". I said damn u lookin for super ***** aint u...well good luck cuz u not gonna find him.
when you ask anyone what they want in a person of course theyre gonna list 10/10 top notch qualities. but that completely ignores the chemistry and comparability in the moment. 

objectively every guy would like to date a genius, billionaire, kindhearted super model. But that all goes out the window when you meet a girl who you really can vibe with
 
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I feel u but i mean they gotta be more realistic. I think men for the most part are more realistic than women. How u got no education or skills...basically bring nothing to the table but some decent looks but u expect super man :lol:
 
I feel u but i mean they gotta be more realistic. I think men for the most part are more realistic than women. How u got no education or skills...basically bring nothing to the table but some decent looks but u expect super man
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i honestly think thats all hot air 
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girls that are actually that uncompromising  stay single until theyre too old and they have to settle, or they become escorts 
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