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Okay so YOU tell me what distinctively happened in Episode 7 that made you feel as if Marty/Rust could or couldn't be the Murderer. That's all i'm asking because i don't see anything that solidifies their innocence or guilt specifically in ep 7
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yes that is exactly what I am saying; they aren't involved
you don't think capturing and torturing Sheriff Geraci kind of takes the whole wind out of the sails that they are involved?
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The fact that they kidnapped the Sheriff and are seen teaming up with the 2012 detectives and the bar owner in next weeks preview throws the Rust theory out the window for me.
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I don't even know what to think .. Just (im)patiently waiting for the last episode
.. Just (im)patiently waiting for the last episode
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i don't think anyone wants him to be it's just that the writers created his character as someone who could potentially be the killer from early on. As the show has moved on the plot has been more focused on others but that doesn't erase the idea that rust is a crazy Mf'er
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here is a really well done article about episode 7; this guy is very thorough
http://gothamist.com/2014/03/03/true_detective_episode_7_after_youv.php
http://gothamist.com/2014/03/03/true_detective_episode_7_after_youv.php
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i don't think anyone wants him to be it's just that the writers created his character as someone who could potentially be the killer from early on. As the show has moved on the plot has been more focused on others but that doesn't erase the idea that rust is a crazy Mf'er
Agreed, up until the point I was sonned, I'd just been analyzing Rust based on what I'd seen in the show. In more than one instance I definitely thought Rust displayed characteristics that suggested something fishy--even in Episode 7.
Obviously it led to no where [if we are to believe the show's creator, which we should
], but there can be no denying that there are certain times that made you wonder...
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Yea, I been said, I want no part of that, and it'd make the show bs for me if any of the 3 leads are in it.But it would be interesting if Rust wasn't 100 with Marty about what he found in the last 10 years.
Especially, if had to do with his kid.
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Ep 7 felt a little weak... I get that it's a set up for the finale, but the end was just corny... guy talking to himself, looking into the distance? Idk 
Episodes 4-6 were strong as hell. It's a good show. But I'm sick of dudes putting it over Wire and Breaking Bad after a couple episodes, fans are too quick to proclaim the next 10/10 in any media.
Episodes 4-6 were strong as hell. It's a good show. But I'm sick of dudes putting it over Wire and Breaking Bad after a couple episodes, fans are too quick to proclaim the next 10/10 in any media.
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And yet he's obsessed with building cases to right injustice instead of just murking people he thinks are involved and the two times Marty attacked him he held back. He'sHe's extremely obsessive, He doesn't like human beings, He constantly states how he believes humans aren't impotant, He's a drunk, He is heavy on drug use, He's is emotionally detached towards 95% of the people he meets, he Spends ALL of his spare time looking at murder photos, reading books on murders, trying to examine the psyche of murderers. He has also murdered someone.
No none of that would lead you to believe he has characteristics of a murderer
Who'd he murder? Ledoux? That was Marty...
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No we do know he broke into the house. We're not taking his word for it, the show SHOWED us him do it.
You guys keep missing that point. The only things that have been proven to be lies are the things Rust and Marty say and then we never actually see. We just hear it discussed or we hear them say it and then something different is shown happening. Notice we never see Rust in Alaska? Notice we never meet his daughter or ex wife. Maybe because Alaska and his old family aren't THAT important to the story or maybe because he bent the truth there. Who knows.
What we do know is EVERYTHING we see on screen has been verified as happenng by multiple sources. Lights and birds swirling in the air? They happened. They were hallucinations but hallucinations that happened.
The ONLY reason we see footage of Marty eating TV dinners and online dating is to verify his story to us. Same reason we see Rust taking out the garbage. They live mundane *** lives.
They're not the killers. Everyone needs to get over that. This isn't Sixth Sense.
You can interpret Ledoux's we've done this before and will do this again rant to somehow mean that Rust (now with long hair and tats like Ledoux) will be the one being arrested for the murder one day while his fat #2 (Marty) runs. Maybe. Very possible. Doesn't mean they're the ones the cops are really seeking. I mean Ledoux wasn't the Yellow King, either.
Or, you could take it to mean that Marty and Rust tried to arrest the real criminals once, failed and ended up offing them both and we're just gonna see that scenario repeat itself again in the finale.
Either way, all this "I still think Rust did it!" pseudo-scientific "all the characteristics of a murderer" talk is a viewer being too smart for himself. The show isn't trying to trick you. (and for the record, Rust doesn't have all the characteristics of a serial killer and I'd argue he isn't a sociopath for several reasons, chief amongst them his obsession with the well being of innocent people but thats an argument for another post.) Our detectives aren't the bad guys. In the end they may take the fall for being them, but we know they didn't do it. The show has shown us that.
Y'all need to accept that.
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Most of the possible twists wouldn't even be shocking. At this point, they reveal Rust is the killer, it's gonna feel like a twist for the sake of having a twist.
The only thing I can see is some twist involving Marty's daughter at the end like someone suggested. They've set things up (dolls/paintings/flat circle theory) that it could come back around at the end, and it would be effective.
The only thing I can see is some twist involving Marty's daughter at the end like someone suggested. They've set things up (dolls/paintings/flat circle theory) that it could come back around at the end, and it would be effective.
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Marty's daughter being a victim of the cult and the grandfather being involved has been set up all season is looking more likely.
But I kinda hope they don't go there. It's a little too on the nose and obvious. Marty ranting bout the detectives course, her drawings of swirls and flowers and stars and the crown and the dolls and refusing to talk to the grandfather etc. Like ok we get it.
The twist would be if that doesn't turn out to be the case.
But I kinda hope they don't go there. It's a little too on the nose and obvious. Marty ranting bout the detectives course, her drawings of swirls and flowers and stars and the crown and the dolls and refusing to talk to the grandfather etc. Like ok we get it.
The twist would be if that doesn't turn out to be the case.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
something is definitely off about Marty's daughter. She was exposed to sexual things very early from her drawings to the way she had the dolls set up. Marty doesn't look like the type to bring case files home so she couldn't have gotten it from that.
Maybe the plot twist is that Marty is really the Yellow King. He blow Leadoux's brain out rather quickly.
Never even thought about the Grandfather, he is the only other male in her life other than Marty, who knows?
something is definitely off about Marty's daughter. She was exposed to sexual things very early from her drawings to the way she had the dolls set up. Marty doesn't look like the type to bring case files home so she couldn't have gotten it from that.
Maybe the plot twist is that Marty is really the Yellow King. He blow Leadoux's brain out rather quickly.
Never even thought about the Grandfather, he is the only other male in her life other than Marty, who knows?
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Well put. And you're right, I definitely didn't pick up on as much of the cues as some of the others in this thread.
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Nah, see to me there was a clear difference between Marty watching the tape and turning it off just saying NO and him seeing the kids, marching back outside and putting a bullet in Ledeux's head. The weight behind both scenes are night and day.
Just cuz you can't comprehend storytelling especially when it comes to establishing and pulling off a really tense scene like that the best way and can only go to one extreme to make sense of things in your life doesn't mean your opinion is of any worth.
This is a good part of what I'm saying. I just wanted to be right there with Marty when he yelled no. The set up was just a little to on the nose for it to fall flat the way it did.
Nah, I completely get that he had a strong reaction. It's how it was setup and Woody's acting, that were a little cartoony to me.
It's just...that big Star Wars "Noooooooo!" at the end. I get that it was ****** up, but he just looked at the pictures...it wasn't some big unexpected plot twist. It wasn't something happening right now in front of him. Then you throw in the flask gag and I'm kinda sideeye-in it.
It's the diff between how someone on BB'd react in the situation vs. someone on Dexter.
Took me outta the moment. But I guess that's a good thing, cuz I didn't wanna be in that moment anymore.
Pretty clear the majority of ppl who didn't go the joke route really can't comprehend how that scene could be shot differently for maximum effect without showing the rape of a child so in their minds the only thing they can think of is showing an illegal act on tv
Reading comprehension fail.
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Man Marty isn't the Yellow King
He blew a dudes brain out for harming kids and quit the force after witnessing a baby murdered.
He blew a dudes brain out for harming kids and quit the force after witnessing a baby murdered.
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Once again my whole entire point behind focusing on Rust actions was to showcase WHY THE DETECTIVES would think he's the murderer i never stated that he was just that his character has attributes that made him seem like a viable suspect. It was nothing other than a simple character observation.
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Man Marty isn't the Yellow King
He blew a dudes brain out for harming kids and quit the force after witnessing a baby murdered.
lol I know that, I just want to keep the conspiracy theories going.
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The disappointments and let downs in the threads
Some of the people in this thread warned you guys to chill with the theories...
Some of the people in this thread warned you guys to chill with the theories...
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and i would love to get more on Marty's relationship with both of his daughters, outside of the obvious cheating on their mother why are they both so distant and hesitant of him. They are playing the gothic/ wild child role with the elder daughter but why does the youngest also seem to have a grudge about it?
