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Originally Posted by MrDills

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Originally Posted by MrDills

Cotto is shot as a fighter. This will be a walk in the park for Roach and Manny. That is the only reason they agreed to fight him

You know, I keep hearing people say Cotto is not the same fighter, shot, or whatever. What are you seeing to make you believe this because I see the same fighter.
That beating he took vs Tonio has left him damaged goods. That last fight was a gift to him. He is still a good fighter but just below the elite level of fighters in that divison. His reflex looks a slower to me as well. He is sorta a mix between J Taylor and Vargas to me

I think he's much better than Taylor or Vargas. Tonio left him damaged for a while after the fight but after that fight with Clottey you could tell he wasback. He won that fight with Clottey clearly. He may have seemed to be a little slower in that fight but that huge gash over his eye that he fought throughmay have been a factor.

Put it this way, it took Margarito 11 rounds with plastered hands to put Cotto on the mat.

BTW can't believe this hasn't been posted yet
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[h2]Haye strikes deal to fight Valuev Nov. 7[/h2]

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David Haye will get a heavyweight title shot but it won't come against Vitali Klitschko, as was in the works.

Instead, the former cruiserweight champion signed to challenge heavyweight titlist Nikolai Valuev on Nov. 7 in Germany after snubbing the deal to fight Klitschko, Haye trainer and manager Adam Booth told ESPN.com on Wednesday.

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Martin Rose/Bongarts/Getty ImagesDavid Haye will fight heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev after pulling out of deals to fight both Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko in the course of less than two months.

The revelation marked the end of a curious day. Klitschko's manager, Bernd Boente, and adviser Shelly Finkel couldn't reach Booth to finalize a deal they thought they had agreed to for Klitschko and Haye to meet Sept. 12 at the 55,000-seat Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany. The fight would have had live television coverage on HBO in the United States.

"I am thrilled to announce that my dream of becoming world heavyweight champion will be realized on Nov. 7 when I challenge the tallest and heaviest champion of all time, Nikolai Valuev," the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Haye said of the 7-foot, 320-pound Russian giant. "Valuev's known as 'The Beast From The East' and there's a reason he's got that nickname. He's a big, ugly, sweaty and hairy man from the Eastern Bloc. David only needed a slingshot and a stone to flatten Goliath and I'm convinced my right hand generates more power than a stone."

Unable to reach Booth, Boente was livid even before realizing that Haye had taken another fight.

"The fight is definitely off," he told ESPN.com from Germany. "Now we have to plan our next step."

Boente said Klitschko (37-2, 36 KOs) would line up another opponent for September, possibly American contender Cristobal Arreola for a fight in the United States, although talks would have to move quickly.

Negotiations for Klitschko-Haye were difficult but Boente said they had reached an agreement for the bout. Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, Haye's American promoter, said two weeks ago that they had reached a deal. Yet the contracts went unsigned by the Haye camp as it quietly made the deal with Valuev promoter Sauerland Event instead.

Boente said Booth received the final draft of a contract they had agreed to but refused to sign it or return telephone calls, e-mails and text messages from Boente and Finkel.

"Haye is saying it's a slavery contract and won't sign it after we agreed to everything," Boente said. "The contract we agreed on is on their desk and they don't sign it. From [Wednesday] morning on, they don't answer us. This is the worst I have seen in negotiating. We have not heard from them. This is so amateurish. How little class do they have? I really prefer to negotiate with people like Don King or Peter Kohl, who are tough, but at least you can talk to them and negotiate. This guy has no idea what he is doing. Haye has the right trainer maybe, but not the right manager."

Haye and Booth had a different story.

"There were reports in the German press that I had signed to fight Vitali Klitschko in September, but those reports were never true," Haye said. "There have been long and exhausting discussions about the clash, but unfortunately I could never put my name to the fight contract the Klitschkos offered. The level of disrespect they have shown me throughout has left me feeling insulted. As for signing the contract, now that I realize just how much support and interest I have from the people in Germany, it would have been like selling my soul to the devil. I will not be a slave fighter.
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I understand the business. If you're making a deal and you want to back out, just say it. But don't do it like this. [Booth] doesn't even have the guts to answer our phone calls.
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"Once I have snatched Valuev's title, I will be happy to battle out heavyweight supremacy with the Klitschkos, but only on equal and fair terms. I only hope the Klitschkos still want to fight me after I have slayed 'The Beast.'"

Although Booth didn't speak to the Klitschko camp on Wednesday, he said he had a heated conversation with HBO's Kery Davis over the fight falling through. HBO had made it an important part of its fall schedule.

"Publicly [the Klitschko camp] may be perplexed but they know the fight was never on," Booth said. "They have overstated the position. We never once said it was done. There have been ups and downs, but in the final analysis, David made the decision for what he feels is the best for his career. They have our final position. I had to do what was best for David. He was always unhappy with the contract for the Klitschko fight. He's a young man trying to fulfill his dreams and he wants to do it the way he wants to do it."

Boente has been down this road with Haye and Booth before. After a difficult negotiation, Haye signed to challenge unified titlist Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali's younger brother, on June 20 at a 60,000-seat stadium in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. The fight was originally supposed to take place in England, but the stadium deal Booth promised never materialized and the two sides reworked the deal.

However, three weeks before the fight, Haye, claiming a back injury, withdrew. Many believed his pullout had nothing to do with an injury but rather the impending bankruptcy of Setanta, the British subscription sports network that was on the hook for Haye's entire purse, and he was worried he wouldn't be paid for the fight.

With Setanta out of business in England and Wladimir Klitschko scheduled for a mandatory defense in the fall and unable to reschedule with Haye, Haye turned to Vitali instead and the negotiations began in late June.

The fight was supposed to be televised on pay-per-view in the United Kingdom by Sky Box Office, the British equivalent to HBO PPV. Boente said that the reluctance of Haye and Booth to sign might have to do with poor pay-per-view sales of last week's Amir Khan-Andreas Kotelnik fight on Sky Box Office. Most of Haye's purse for the fight was not guaranteed, but instead based on how well the pay-per-view sold in the United Kingdom, Boente said.

Valuev-Haye will be televised by Sky Box Office in the U.K., but terms of Haye's deal for that fight have not been disclosed.

Booth denied the accusation and said that Haye's camp simply believed the fight with Valuev was better for Haye (22-1, 21 KOs), who hasn't fought since moving up to heavyweight and stopping a faded Monte Barrett in five rounds in November.

The Klitschko camp isn't buying it.

"Everything was OK, we thought," Finkel said. "The only thing up in the air was what little technical things had to be finished between Sky and [German broadcaster] RTL. They were very minor and had nothing to do with the important deal points. All of a sudden [Booth] and his lawyer became unavailable. But we got a letter from the lawyer saying things were fine on all points except the technical issues [between broadcasters].

"I understand the business. If you're making a deal and you want to back out, just say it. But don't do it like this. [Booth] doesn't even have the guts to answer our phone calls."

Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com.
 
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Originally Posted by MrDills

Originally Posted by Jagshemash

Originally Posted by MrDills

Cotto is shot as a fighter. This will be a walk in the park for Roach and Manny. That is the only reason they agreed to fight him

You know, I keep hearing people say Cotto is not the same fighter, shot, or whatever. What are you seeing to make you believe this because I see the same fighter.
That beating he took vs Tonio has left him damaged goods. That last fight was a gift to him. He is still a good fighter but just below the elite level of fighters in that divison. His reflex looks a slower to me as well. He is sorta a mix between J Taylor and Vargas to me

I think he's much better than Taylor or Vargas. Tonio left him damaged for a while after the fight but after that fight with Clottey you could tell he was back. He won that fight with Clottey clearly. He may have seemed to be a little slower in that fight but that huge gash over his eye that he fought through may have been a factor.

Put it this way, it took Margarito 11 rounds with plastered hands to put Cotto on the mat.

BTW can't believe this hasn't been posted yet
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I saw it earlier. I didn't post it because i didn't want to flood the post with 7 figures of expletives. I hope that hairy bastardslowly and painfully destroys Haye.
 
I get those texts from ESPN with breaking news on certain items. I got this at the gym I started cracking up on the treadmill.

I'm 50/50 on this fight...
 
Just caught this from the Hayes article:
Boente said Klitschko (37-2, 36 KOs) would line up another opponent for September, possibly American contender Cristobal Arreola for a fight in the United States, although talks would have to move quickly.
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Originally Posted by Sir Rob A Lot

Just caught this from the Hayes article:
Boente said Klitschko (37-2, 36 KOs) would line up another opponent for September, possibly American contender Cristobal Arreola for a fight in the United States, although talks would have to move quickly.
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Lets get it!!!

Hopefully Klitschko puts that Mexican Kendrick Perkins to sleep... I can't respect a fighter that comes to the ring that out of shape.
 
Originally Posted by Sir Rob A Lot

Just caught this from the Hayes article:
Boente said Klitschko (37-2, 36 KOs) would line up another opponent for September, possibly American contender Cristobal Arreola for a fight in the United States, although talks would have to move quickly.
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I would NOT want to be around you when Arreola loses...

And I'm guessing Chambers is next for whoever wins that fight.
 
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I'm Biased. Nightmare is from LA, not to mention American in aEuro driven division. I feel obligated to root for him.


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All good....whenever my dude wins his World Title, I can say I told all of you.


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Plus this fight is going to be in the US!? I smell upset (rigged or not).
 
Arreola is going to get destroyed in the ring if he didn't eat so much he might have a small chance. I was looking forward to david haye fighting one ofthe brothers but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.
 
Haye runs his mouth, then just runs

Thursday, July 23, 2009 | Print Entry

Your weekly random thoughts …

• Although the way David Haye and trainer/manager Adam Booth went about snubbing Vitali Klitschko in favor of Nikolai Valuev was underhanded and unprofessional, it may turn out to be a smart move because Haye has a way, way, way better chance to beat Valuev than Klitschko. After all, Valuev couldn't deal with the movement of the ancient Evander Holyfield, who is much slower, much older and not nearly the puncher that Haye is.

But the way Haye dealt with Klitschko was pathetic. Had Haye simply taken one deal over the other without all the drama, that would be one thing. No problem.

Instead, he strung Klitschko along for weeks while talking crap about him -- and his brother, Wladimir Klitschko, before bailing on him, too, last month -- only to double-deal behind his back and then pull out of a fight that had been agreed upon. I talked to Booth and, frankly, I didn't believe him when he said they didn't have a deal. His story sounded like the dog had eaten his homework. I've followed this process every step of the way, and I believe Klitschko's team of Bernd Boente and Shelly Finkel when they say they had a deal. Say what you want about them, but they are professionals, they've negotiated a zillion fights and they made a compelling case that the deal was done.

The ironic thing here is that Haye, who hasn't fought since November, against a faded Monte Barrett, has never accomplished anything of note as a heavyweight to have deserved a title fight in the first place -- except run his mouth and make himself look like a fool. He had fights with both Klitschkos on a silver platter. There are a lot of heavyweights who would give anything for a shot at one of them. Haye had a chance at both and blinked twice, punking out and running away like he was scared. Ultimately, Haye only talked the talk and couldn't bring himself to even try to walk the walk.

• I was told this week that serious talks have been rekindled for a fall fight between middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams, with HBO making a very strong offer. The question is, will the two camps, who don't exactly get along well, be able to agree on the split? We shall see, but my fingers are crossed because it's a great fight -- certainly a lot bigger than anything else either guy can legitimately make.

• We've all known for the past month or so that Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao were headed for a fight, but I still got a rush when the expected news was confirmed. I was awfully happy to talk to Top Rank's Bob Arum the other day and hear the fight was on. Based on the early comments I've heard from people around the boxing industry, a few things are clear. First, it's a huge fight, probably the biggest boxing pay-per-view of 2009. Second, there isn't anyone I can find who doesn't think it's going to be a sensational fight, whoever wins. Third, there is a big split on who people think will win, which should add to the intensity of the promotion (which will be called "Firepower"). I'm also excited because HBO is planning a "24/7" series to follow the build-up to the fight. When you match two of the best fighters in the world, both of whom have huge fan bases and make action-packed fights, everybody wins. This fight is great for boxing.

• Cotto and Pacquiao will meet at 145 pounds, which was divulged right off the bat without any nonsense when the fight was announced. The same can't be said for the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez fight, which will take place at a maximum of 144 pounds, even though nobody associated with the promotion has the stones to say so on the record for fear of upsetting the prima donna, Mayweather. The pointless secrecy gives off the impression that there is something suspicious about the fight -- never a good thing for a promotion.

• Who wants to bet that Pacquiao-Cotto will do better on pay-per-view than Mayweather-Marquez? I wonder what the impact of that will be when it comes time to make Pacquiao-Mayweather, should both win their upcoming bouts?

• One fight Arum mentioned to me as a possibility for the Cotto-Pacquiao undercard is a lightweight title match between Edwin Valero and junior lightweight titlist Humberto Soto, who plans to move up in weight. That's a can't-miss fight.

• Now that Pacquiao-Cotto has been announced for Nov. 14, I wonder if Shane Mosley finally understands that he isn't going to get a fight with Pacquiao in the fall, no matter how much he begs, no matter how many ridiculous press releases his handlers send out and no matter how much weight he says he's willing to drop. Time to move on, Shane.

• I received a press release from the fine folks who work for promoter Lou DiBella informing me that Kermit Cintron would love to fight Mosley in the fall. After reading about half of it, I yawned and then pressed the delete button.

• You know how Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. pulled out of Saturday's fight against Jason LeHoullier on Top Rank's "Latin Fury 10" because of a rib injury? Well, as I have come to find out, that is only true if the definition of "rib injury" is "nowhere near 154 pounds a week before the fight."

• I absolutely love Showtime's Super Six World Boxing Classic and can't wait for the opening matches. I love all three fights that comprise the first group of bouts, which will take place before the end of the year: Arthur Abraham-Jermain Taylor, Carl Froch-Andre Dirrell and Mikkel Kessler-Andre Ward. But my favorite is Kessler-Ward.

• My, how things can change quickly. Just 10 months ago, Amir Khan was knocked out (and knocked out hard) in 54 seconds by Breidis Prescott in a shocking upset. Last week, Prescott suffered his first loss in an upset to Miguel Vazquez. The following night, Khan reached the pinnacle by dismantling Andreas Kotelnik in a lopsided decision to win a title. I thought the timing was an interesting coincidence.

• Speaking of Vazquez-Prescott, I have to give props to Sergio Mora. While sitting in with Joe Tessitore and Teddy Atlas for an early round during the main event of last week's "Friday Night Fights," Mora picked the unheralded Vazquez to pull the upset against big favorite Prescott. Mora said he had sparred with Vazquez and did an excellent job explaining his reason for the pick. Maybe there's a place somewhere for Mora as an analyst?

• HBO's "Real Sports" is one of my favorite shows, but I especially love it when it features a boxing story. On the latest edition, which premiered Tuesday and will replay regularly through early August, correspondent Mary Carillo delivers an outstanding feature on trainer Freddie Roach and his battle with Parkinson's disease.

• Paging Joan Guzman. … On second thought, given his eyesore style, forget it.

• If former heavyweight titlist Samuel Peter -- who recently signed with Top Rank and is looking to get his career going again -- is motivated, in shape and throws punches, I think he can still do damage. At 28, he's still one of the youngest heavyweight contenders out there.

• Welterweight titlist Andre Berto is one of the good guys in boxing. At 25, he is mature beyond his years and giving back to his community. Berto, who has made good money but no seven-figure purses, nonetheless is donating $10,000 to the Citrus Center Boys & Girls Club in his hometown of Winter Haven, Fla. Berto, who spent much of his childhood at the club, will also speak to the kids at the ceremony on Friday. "The Boys & Girls Club was like a second home for me as a kid," Berto said. "I want these kids to see that if they work hard enough, they can make their own dreams come true, just like I have. I have been blessed through boxing, and I want to share some of my blessings with the Boys & Girls Club and Polk County." Good for him.

• I think the proposed fight between Berto and Selcuk Aydin is very interesting. Aydin is a rough, tough customer who has solid power and a good chin. Berto is a lot faster, but if it happens, it won't be a walk in the park for either guy.

• In a reminder of just how serious every fight is, from the four-round preliminary to the 12-round championship main event, Marco Antonio Nazareth died Wednesday, four days after suffering a brain injury during a fourth-round TKO loss to Omar Chavez in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. He was 23. Chavez, one of the fighting sons of Julio Cesar Chavez, had won a closely contested four-round decision against Nazareth in April 2008, and this was a scheduled six-round rematch. It wasn't a particularly brutal fight and, although Chavez got the stoppage, Nazareth was on his feet and attempting to punch back when the referee intervened. You just never know what will happen when a fighter is taking punches to the head. Condolences to Nazareth's family and friends.

DVD pick of the week: I wasn't sure what to watch this week, so I went perusing through my database of fights. One I hadn't viewed in years caught my eye, so I dug into the archive for it. It was an ABC-televised brawl from Aug. 18, 1990 at Bally's Las Vegas. It lasted only one round -- 2 minutes, 57 seconds to be exact -- but was like a light version of the first round of the classic Marvelous Marvin Hagler-Thomas Hearns brawl. In this shootout, Nigel Benn, making the first defense of his middleweight belt, and Iran Barkley came out with guns blazing and didn't stop firing until the fight was over. Benn dropped Barkley in the first minute, but Barkley collected himself enough to come back and hurt Benn. Then Benn rallied himself and dropped Barkley twice more before it was called off due to the three knockdown rule that was still being used at the time. It was short but oh-so sweet.
 
That would be a good fight.

Valero still needs to be cleared by the state of Nevada tho.

I hope Top Rank goes all out for the Pac/Cotto undercard because right now the Mayweather/JMM card looks impressive.
 
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R.I.P To Marco Nazereth died after sustaining injuries in a fight with Omar Chavez (Jr's little brother ) he was carried out on a stretcher after the 4th rd . It was very tough fight with back and forth action
Saw that fight...R.I.P
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That would be a good fight.

Valero still needs to be cleared by the state of Nevada tho.

I hope Top Rank goes all out for the Pac/Cotto undercard because right now the Mayweather/JMM card looks impressive.

Well if he's not cleared I guess they'd make a separate card and put it in Texas.
 
Yea Dirrell. I think either of em could win but I think Dirrell's has probably the most talent out of the bunch. Good speed and good power and Frochstruggled with Taylor for 11 rounds and I think he hits almost as hard as Taylor with a little less speed and a lot more conditioning. Could go either wayespecially if Dirrell wants to stand in front and trade, but I'm picking him.
[h1]Showtime's 'Classic' will restore order in divided division[/h1]

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Updated: July 24, 2009, 2:26 PM ET

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    Andre Dirrell will kick off the "Classic" when he faces Carl Froch on Oct. 17.
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    Carl Froch has momentum on his side after upending Jermain Taylor in April.
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    Jermain Taylor can get his career back on track by upsetting Arthur Abraham.
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    Arthur Abraham abandoned the 160-pound ranks to be part of the super middleweight tourney.
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    Mikkel Kessler is considered by many to be the best 168-pound fighter in the world.
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« Dirrell | Froch | Taylor | Abraham | Kessler | Ward | Classic »
[h3]Birth of a 'Classic'[/h3]
If you look through Showtime's archive of fights, you'll see that the cable network has televised some of the most significant bouts in super middleweight history.

Showtime was there for the Chris Eubank-Nigel Benn rematch, the tragic Benn-Gerald McClellan fight and many of Joe Calzaghe's bouts, including his unification bout with Jeff Lacy.

More recently, the network aired Arthur Abraham's much-anticipated rematch with Edison Miranda, several bouts involving rising contenders Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell, and Carl Froch's dramatic title-retaining knockout of Jermain Taylor with 14 seconds left in the 12th round in April.

The 168-pound division is deep, and Showtime Sports senior vice president/general manager Ken Hershman found himself spending quite a bit of his resources in the division (Hershman is responsible for deciding what fights to buy).

But the fights he was doing, while usually notable matchups, weren't leading anywhere specific. It was just one fight at a time with little long-range direction.

That all changed with the birth last week of Hershman's brainchild: the Super Six World Boxing Classic. It's a 12-fight tournament that will take about 18 months to complete and includes six top 168-pounders -- Froch, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, titleholder Mikkel Kessler and Abraham, who vacated his middleweight belt to join the party.

It is arguably the biggest boxing story of 2009.

"The way it sort of evolved is that I looked at strategically where I was going in the division," Hershman said. "You start to think of the dream matchups and I thought Abraham is going to come up. You have Kessler, we'd been doing [fights with] the young guys, Ward and Dirrell, and we had done Froch-Taylor. I started to say, 'Look, I can do this fight or that fight.' Doing them a la carte gets very expensive. I thought this was the one division that could sustain a tournament with them all fighting each other, but the big question was: How do you get it done?"

That's no easy task when you're dealing with six fighters and five promoters from three different countries. The key was when Hershman realized it had to be a round-robin format.

"What dawned on us was that you couldn't do it as single-elimination because then it becomes all about the draw and you'll have battles over every fight and where the fight is. It becomes impossible," Hershman said.

He said the round-robin structure through the preliminary rounds and the fact that each fighter gets to fight in his home territory soothed the promoters, managers and boxers, who all knew they would be guaranteed three fights.

Four of the fighters will get a fourth fight by advancing to the semis, and two will get five high-profile fights on Showtime. They're all for good money. It was a deal that enticed everyone to sign on.

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The gang's (almost) all here: Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell and Jermain Taylor plan to find out who's the man at 168 pounds.

"By going that way, it made the draw much less contentious," Hershman said. "It took that problem off the table and everyone was comfortable. If you are Ward or Dirrell, you're getting the opportunity to fight these top guys who are far more experienced. Are you that damaged if you don't make it? If you are Jermain, where are you getting three guaranteed fights like these, win, lose or draw? And for Froch, Abraham and Kessler? They want the American exposure and the opportunity to fight top competition. They'll get it."

The first nine fights will be in the round-robin format, with the top four advancing to the semifinals on a points system (two points for a win, a bonus point for a knockout and one point for a draw).

The tournament opens Oct. 17 with Froch (25-0, 20 KOs) defending his belt against Dirrell (18-0, 13 KOs) in Froch's native England, while Taylor (28-3-1, 17 KOs) travels to Germany to face Abraham (30-0, 24 KOs). The next fight is Nov. 21 when Denmark's Kessler (41-1, 31 KOs) heads to the United States to defend against Andre Ward (19-0, 12 KOs), probably in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif.

The rest of the preliminary round bouts -- Abraham-Dirrell, Froch-Kessler, Ward-Taylor, Ward-Dirrell, Froch-Abraham and Kessler-Taylor -- will be fought throughout 2010, with the semifinals scheduled for early 2011 and the final for May or June 2011.

Hershman came up with the idea and mentioned it to Kalle Sauerland of Sauerland Event, the German company that promotes Abraham and recently signed Kessler. When it became more serious, Hershman went to Germany in mid-May to secretly meet with Sauerland and company general manager Chris Meyer.

"We spent 10 hours in a conference room at a hotel going over structure after structure of a tournament," he said. "We weren't negotiating a deal. We were toying with a deal, but we were really trying to come up with the format. I came back and met with some of the U.S. guys I have relationships with and we honed it some more. From mid-May until it was announced, it's been 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

The result was a kickoff news conference last week in New York followed by a press tour to Copenhagen and Berlin that took it from concept to reality for Hershman.

"I have been involved with some of the most major and historic events in the sport, including the legendary Corrales-Castillo fight, which in my opinion is the best fight in history, the Tyson-Holyfield ear-biting incident and the Tyson-Lewis fight," Hershman said. "But never have I been more proud than I am of this tournament or prouder of the work we have done. Getting five promoters together is a herculean task in itself -- plus six of the best fighters in the division. That is a staggering accomplishment."

Meyer said the face-to-face meeting was critical.

"I think the benefit from this brainstorming came from the fact that we had never really dealt directly with each other, so that we could speak freely," Meyer said. "We talked through so many scenarios and possibilities that apparently Ken clearly shaped up the picture in his mind where the Super Six has now landed. This idea was apparently so convincing that all the other promoters picked this up, agreed to participate and helped get this idea developed into a fantastic tournament."

Hershman is no novice in fight negotiating. He understands there will inevitably be problems during the tournament, be it injury, weight issues or any number of other obstacles. That's why the contracts are detailed and cover a variety of scenarios. If somebody does fall out, Hershman is prepared.

"There's always somebody who he will be left behind and over 18 months we will need a substitute," he said. "It's inevitable. It speaks to the depth of the division that there are fighters we could still have in the tournament."

He said titleholder Lucian Bute of Canada and American Allan Green, neither of whom was invited to participate, are on the top of his list if there is an opening. They weren't invited, Hershman said, because "as an eight-man tournament it just became too drawn out, too expensive and added another layer of fights. We needed to stay with six people in order to get this done."

While he has sewn up the tournament, Hershman wants to assure fight fans that he'll still be buying other top fights.

"This tournament is a significant investment, but it's going to be great," he said. "And I still have money to program the rest of the fights on 'Showtime Championship Boxing' and continue with our ShoBox brand."

The fighters are enthusiastic.

"This is what boxing is supposed to be about, with the best fighting the best," Froch said. "It forces the best fighters in the division to all face each other."

Said Kessler: "[It's] fantastic. Boxing needs something like that and it will be a huge success."

And Abraham: "This spectacular tournament will answer the one question everybody has been asking -- who is the best fighter in this division?"

"It's good for boxing and the fans," said Taylor.
[h3]Fast track to title[/h3]
In his ninth pro fight, 2004 Olympian Beibut Shumenov (8-0, 6 KOs) of Kazakhstan will fight for a world title. The 25-year-old will challenge Spain's Gabriel Campillo (18-2, 6 KOs) Aug. 15 in Kazakhstan.

"Campillo has signed the contract. It's done. All the contracts are signed," said Campillo promoter Sampson Lewkowicz, who had also been in talks for Campillo to make his first defense in Germany against Jurgen Brahmer. Campillo won the belt via majority decision from Hugo Hernan Garay in Argentina on June 20.

The self-promoted Shumenov has moved extraordinarily fast as a pro; he fought a scheduled 12-rounder in only his fourth fight. In his sixth fight, he shut out ex-champion Montell Griffin, and followed that with a 10-round decision against dangerous former title challenger Epifanio Mendoza in December. Then Shumenov knocked out former super middleweight titlist Byron Mitchell in the fourth round in May.

"I saw the tapes of him and I believe the fight will be very competitive because of his background and his amateur career," Lewkowicz said of Shumenov. "It's a very good payday for my guy and we'll maximize his income, but it will be a very competitive fight. Campillo is motivated. He went right back to training camp after he won the title."

Said Shumenov: "Fighting at home in front of my family, friends and fans makes it even more special. Campillo showed that he has the heart of a lion by going to Garay's country and taking away his championship belt. This is a tremendous opportunity for me."

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.


Also not much from the chat yesterday but a few tidbits:
[h6]Eddie ((CA))[/h6]


What are the chances of Cotto Margarito II in summer 2010?
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:01 PM)[/h6]



If Margarito gets his license back that fight is very likely regardless of Cotto wins or loses against Manny.

[h6]Cesar (Chicago)[/h6]


Do you know when tickets are going up for sale for Cotto vs Pac?
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:05 PM)[/h6]


Probably in late August or early September, which is when they will have the press tour.
[h6]Mike (NJ)[/h6]


Would Atlantic City be the odds on favorite to host a Pavlik/Williams fight?
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:11 PM)[/h6]



Yes, it would be in AC at Boardwalk Hall.

[h6]Jay Perry (allentown )[/h6]


what about Sakio Bika
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:14 PM)[/h6]



Glad you asked. Here's a little tidbit for the freaks that I heard about last night and made some calls on this morning: Golden Boy has an offer out to match Bika against Allan Green for the Mayweather-Marquez undercard. I would say the odds of it happening are not great because it's not the best money. Also, Green has a possible fall ShoBox date on the table he can take to stay ready because he is the No. 1 choice to be in the tournament if there is a fallout and this would get him ready for that possibility, especially in the event that Ward or Kessler lose in September before the tourney starts.

[h6]Sancho (Ca)[/h6]


Hey Dan, what does hbo do with the sept 12 date???
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:26 PM)[/h6]



I am not sure but I heard they've asked about the possibility if Dawson and Johnson could move up from Nov. 7.

[h6]Keith (Chicago)[/h6]


Why is lopez scared to fighting Marquez or vasquez?
[h6]Dan Rafael[/h6]
[h6] (1:36 PM)[/h6]



You're a dope if you really think he's scared. Vazquez has been out of the for 16 months and is moving up to featherweight and there has been no offer. Marquez is also moving up and there has been no offer. Lopez generates good money without either of them and fights in a different weight class. I am pretty sure he would love to fight either of them because he probably knocks both of them out.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Yea Dirrell. I think either of em could win but I think Dirrell's has probably the most talent out of the bunch. Good speed and good power and Froch struggled with Taylor for 11 rounds and I think he hits almost as hard as Taylor with a little less speed and a lot more conditioning. Could go either way especially if Dirrell wants to stand in front and trade, but I'm picking him.
WHAT?!?!?! Dirrell does not have slower hands than JT. The thing i've noticed and liked about Dirrell from the jump is dudes otherworldlyhandspeed. IMO, he easily has the fastest hands in this tournament, maybe even the entire division.
 
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Ok, maybe i went a BIT overboard, but i really like Dirrell. I reallythink he can win the whole damn thing. I see him beating Froch & Ward, and maybe losing to Abraham in the preliminary round. But 2 out of 3 should gethim to the semis, with probably something like JT, Kessler, & Abraham. I think Dirrell would be able to take out JT, and if he can stick and move and notget caught he can squeeze by the other 2 guys as well. I agree that Dirrell is probably the most talented guy in this tournament. If he can put it together hecan take it.
 
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