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If Shane Mosley feels even slightly frustrated at the lack of response to his frequent demands for a fight with the semi-retired/pseudo-retired Floyd Mayweather, he has his own similar lack of response over the last decade to blame.

That is not to say his requests are not being heard, or that they are failing.

The telephone rang late one night a couple weeks ago, before Mayweather's sparring session in Las Vegas was reported and before the specter of his unspecified impending announcement this week was leaked. A source close to Mayweather's situation was on the other end of the line. The source virtually is without peer in accuracy, short of hearing the words come from Mayweather's own mouth, although the source's name never has appeared in any story about the erstwhile pound-for-pound king. That's how the source likes it. That's how it will remain.

"Floyd's definitely coming back. He'll fight this year," the source said.

Wow. Some news flash.

You've got do better than that.

"Floyd doesn't like it that Shane's calling him out," the source continued. "It's one thing when (Ricky) Hatton does it, or when (Manny) Pacquiao does it. But another African-American fighter calling him out is different."

Now that's something we've rarely considered.

Mayweather could make his comeback announcement this week. The insiders in his camp are tight-lipped about it. Calls seeking comment were not returned, which is not uncommon in Team Mayweather whenever something big is imminent. Few athletes so verbose can stay quiet so long about events so big.

Mayweather backed out of a reported speaking engagement at a charitable gig last week in Ohio, which his adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, used as a springboard for a declaration that an announcement this week would clarify the reasoning behind the pullout. (Actually, Ellerbe said more than a month ago that he had no idea how the initial reports of the speaking engagement were generated in the first place, and that Mayweather had no intention of appearing, which seems completely unrelated to the upcoming announcement, unless the comeback plans were well-hatched by then.)

My source also said HBO officials are aware of whatever Mayweather hopes to do, because they have been involved in preliminary talks with the fighter's representatives about his plans.

Regardless of how it plays out, the yet-to-fail source indicated that Mosley may not realize just how well-positioned he is to lure Mayweather into a fight, whether immediately or sometime in 2010.

It might serve as a disadvantage to Mayweather that virtually every potential opponent for his comeback is under contract to Golden Boy Promotions or Top Rank. Golden Boy's contracts with Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez and Hatton might give the promotional company leverage to steer Mayweather into the fight it wants, particularly if Hatton wins his May 2 blockbuster against Pacquiao.

Mayweather's other apparent potential comeback opponents, Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto, are with Top Rank. But long-running disagreements between Mayweather and his ex-promoter could render the Cotto proposal little more than yet another leveraging tool. Meantime, Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach recently joined Top Rank chief executive Bob Arum in balking at a proposed Mayweather fight if their man beats Hatton.

Nevertheless, Mayweather's free agency and proven pay-per-view marketability give him substantial negotiating power against all his potential opponents.

So does the reality that after 15½ months idle, and counting, the next opponent to get a shot at Mayweather probably has the best chance to defeat him. Even with Mayweather's extraordinary skills, recovering his exquisite timing after such a lengthy respite figures to present a considerable internal challenge, perhaps beyond anything the erstwhile pound-for-pound king has encountered inside the ring before.

The dual opportunities to make more money than they could for fighting anyone except Oscar De La Hoya and to hang that first loss on a 39-0 record hold a unique cachet to fighters anywhere near Mayweather's weight division. The first opportunity is a given. The second only holds true until someone actually does it.

Mayweather knows all this, of course, which makes Marquez a natural comeback opponent, although that proposal didn't materialize until the Mexican's scintillating victory over Juan Diaz last month. Marquez has fought only twice at lightweight, stopping Diaz and Joel Casamayor, and would have to move up more than a full weight division to secure a Mayweather fight. And that assumes Mayweather agrees to a catch weight, somewhere between junior welterweight and welterweight.

Marquez offers a presentable name for Mayweather's resume -- a mandate for fans who would not embrace a wishy-washy comeback opponent -- although he is naturally smaller and a counter-punching specialist by nature. He is not slow, yet not exceptionally fast, so Mosley-like speed would not be an immediate comeback obstacle. Marquez also is not likely to pursue the attack with unfettered urgency, so Pacquiao-like aggession wouldn't be an issue. It isn't a fight we have seen before, which is the principal hurdle to selling Mayweather-Hatton II. What Marquez does possess is the ability to make mid-fight adjustments, as demonstrated against Diaz. But a mid-fight tactical disadvantage is something Mayweather encountered only once, in his first fight against Jose Luis Castillo, a career transitional moment after which he became a better and more complete fighter.

Considering all those factors -- and the high probability that any comeback by the 32-year-old Mayweather will not be for just one fight -- Marquez's availability, willingness, size disadvantage and clear underdog status might give him an inside track as the comeback opponent.

Mayweather's late-hours call to family members in Michigan after Pacquiao dismantled De La Hoya last year -- in which he breathlessly asked a cousin whether his father, Floyd Sr., might be interested in co-training him for a clash with Pacquiao -- betrayed his interest in fighting again. Ellerbe confirmed it days later, when he said his boss had empowered him to engage fight talks. Pacquiao inherited the pound-for-pound mantle when Mayweather abdicated it. A desire to regain that distinction in a single fight could spur Mayweather toward that intriguing clash.

But Mosley also probably worked his way onto the comeback list after a decade of cat-and-mouse games that ultimately deteriorated into a futile tail-wags-dog effort as his career losses (now five) mounted.

Mayweather-Mosley undoubtedly would be an intriguing fight and very well might happen, even if it makes little sense for Mayweather to embark upon such a challenge immediately, given Mosley's recent activity and sharp stoppage of Antonio Margarito in January. Still, at 37, Mosley is given to uneven performances, as evidenced by his sluggish stoppage of Ricardo Mayorga last year, preceded by his loss to Cotto. Mosley seems very much like Roberto Duran at an advanced age: He is infinitely beatable, though it takes a quality fighter to achieve it, and no one wants to catch him on a good night.

Mosley's disadvantage is that whenever the fight made sense for Mayweather, he almost always balked. One night in 1999, Jack Mosley said his son would need $10 million to fight Mayweather. That same night, Mayweather earned a $150,000 base purse for defeating Carlos Rios. Two months later, Mosley couldn't sell out a casino venue in the California desert for a lightweight title defense against John Brown. Later, as Mosley hit his career zenith with two wins over De La Hoya, he never even considered Mayweather.

Mayweather's recent $20 million demand to fight Mosley wasn't so much a lack of market understanding during tough financial times as a backhanded response to the Mosleys' laughable $10 million demand a decade earlier.

Mayweather also still chafes at Mosley's reluctance to fight him in 2006. Mosley was fresh off a victory over Fernando Vargas that reestablished him as a marketable force after four losses, two each to Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest. But Mosley wanted to take time off instead, ostensibly to allow his promotional boss, De La Hoya, to negotiate a fight with Mayweather that wouldn't materialize for nearly another year. Mayweather-De La Hoya talks were balky from the start and there was no certainty the fight would materialize at the time of Mosley's reticence. Mayweather hoped to fight Mosley first, then De La Hoya, but ended up with Carlos Baldomir as his interim opponent instead.

Mosley finally acceded to the fight only after it made no sense for Mayweather, who went on to fight Hatton instead, while Mosley further diminished any potential for their fight by losing to Cotto.

Two years ago this month, in a quiet conversation at his Las Vegas gym, Mayweather talked about how badly he needed to get away from boxing. The two most lucrative fights of his career, against De La Hoya and Hatton -- not to mention Dancing With the Stars and WrestleMania -- loomed in front of him. By the time he finally wanted to walk away from a lifetime in boxing, without a substantial break, he couldn't.

Now, with a gaudy lifestyle and unsatisfied IRS liens of more than $7 million against him, his comeback seems imminent. The tax liens are not uncommon -- he has had 10 such liens filed against him the last five years, roughly corresponding with his evolution into a pay-per-view magnet, which may not be optimal business practice, though it established a discernible pattern -- but the flash and panache require constant fiscal feeding.

That, and shared heritage, may be Mosley's biggest advantage in securing a fight with Mayweather, according to my source.

In the 10-plus years since Mayweather won his first world championship bout, over Genaro Hernandez, he fought only one title bout against a fellow black American -- Zab Judah, who controlled the first four rounds of their 2006 fight before Mayweather took control. Mayweather's only other fights against African-Americans during those years were non-title bouts against Emanuel Augustus and Demarcus Corley, both of whom had some good moments against him.

Fact is, few African-Americans ever called out Mayweather, save for those it made no sense for him to fight.

Judah got his chance after years of wrangling, despite nearly blowing the proposition with his untimely loss to Baldomir in the bout immediately preceding his loss to Mayweather.

Winky Wright called out Mayweather, though weight and money gaps doomed those talks quickly. Paul Williams faces similar divisions in pursuing Mayweather today, though a willingness to move freely between weight classes could help narrow them if he defeats Wright next month.

Wright himself last year noted the belief that African-Americans have "different styles" from the "face-first" opponents most fight fans and journalists tend to embrace.

"Boxing is supposed to be an art," he said. "Black fighters, we've got style. We've got pizzazz."

Whether that is enough to make Mayweather-Mosley immediately is questionable. But if such oddly artful perceptions help to strike a deal before the fight's expiration date, who cares about the motivation?


David Mayo covers boxing for the Grand Rapids (Mich.) Press. He has covered Mayweather since he fought as an
 
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[h2]Casamayor withdraws from fight[/h2]
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Former lightweight champ Joel Casamayor, suffering from a sprained lower back, withdrew Wednesday from his April 4 fight against former titlist Julio Diaz.

"He's not going to be able to fight," manager Luis DeCubas Jr. told ESPN.com. "He has a lumbar spine sprain."

It's the second injury to knock out one of the participants on Golden Boy Promotions' four-bout "Lightweight Lightning" pay-per-view card, which will take place at the Frank Erwin Center in Austin, Texas. Former junior lightweight titlist Jorge Barrios dropped out a few days ago because of a broken jaw.

DeCubas said Casamayor's back has been bothering him for more than a week.

"He's laid off sparring for a while. His back is real tight," DeCubas said. "He hasn't sparred for about a week and a half. Joel was right on track, but sometimes your body just says no."

DeCubas said Casamayor tried to rest but his back was still giving him problems and his doctor recommended that he lay off for about a month.

"He should be fine but the doctor said there was no way he could fight April 4," DeCubas said. "He was not even 75 percent. It's terrible. This was the perfect fight. Julio Diaz is a hard guy to fight but if we beat a guy like Julio Diaz, it puts us right back in [the title picture]. We're very disappointed. Joel was sparring one day and he felt something and stopped. I thought maybe he was just a little rusty or it was something he just needed to rest for a few days. But it didn't get better. Joel is not the kind of guy who pulls out of fights, but if you can't go, you can't go."

Casamayor (36-4-1, 22 KOs), 37, was looking to rebound from his last fight in September, when Juan Manuel Marquez knocked him out in the 11th round to claim the lineal 135-pound championship.

Golden Boy Promotions matchmaker Eric Gomez told ESPN.com he was looking for a replacement to face Diaz (36-4, 26 KOs).

Diaz, 29, has won two in a row since being stopped in the ninth round by Juan Diaz in a unification fight in October 2007. But Diaz's wins had come against lower-level opposition, so he was looking at the fight with Casamayor as way to springboard into an even bigger fight.

Barrios' broken jaw opened an opportunity for 2004 U.S. Olympian Vicente Escobedo (19-1, 12 KOs), a Golden Boy prospect who is stepping in for Barrios to face former title-holder Carlos Hernandez (43-7-1, 24 KOs), 38, on the card.

"When I was asked to step in for Barrios against Carlos Hernandez, I didn't hesitate to say yes," said Escobedo, 27, who originally was slated to face Kevin Kelley on April 30 in Sacramento, Calif., in an untelevised bout. "This is an amazing opportunity for me and while I have a lot of respect for Carlos, I know that beating him will be a huge step in my career."

Said Hernandez, "Vicente Escobedo is a good young fighter with a lot of talent and potential, but he will not prevent me from achieving my goals. On April 4 my experience and hunger will be the difference in this fight."

In the main event, former junior lightweight title-holder Edwin Valero is moving up to lightweight to face Antonio Pitalua for the world title recently vacated by Manny Pacquiao and Michael Katsidis fights Austin's Jesus Chavez.
 
[h2]Sources: Mayweather Jr. close to return[/h2]

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Floyd Mayweather Jr., who hasn't fought since December 2007 and retired as the undefeated pound-for-pound king in June, is planning to fight again -- possibly as soon as July 11 -- two sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com.

"He is coming back. I've been around him. He's ready to dance again very soon," said one source, who recently spent time with Mayweather and has known him for years. "He's itching to go. The way he sounded, he is willing to take on whoever they throw in his face. He would do the [Manny] Pacquiao-[Ricky] Hatton winner, Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez. The only one he doesn't have an interest in is [a rematch with] Oscar De La Hoya. But in Floyd's mind, he knows there is one Godzilla, and that's a fight with Pacquiao."

Mayweather has been working out regularly in his Las Vegas gym, sparring and is in great shape, according to one of the sources.

Before Mayweather fights one of the big names, both sources said Mayweather's team has talked to HBO about the availability of July 11, the network's date for that month's edition of "World Championship Boxing."

Mayweather, whose last four bouts, and five of his last six, have been on HBO PPV, has expressed an interest in fighting on HBO rather than pay-per-view for a possible tuneup bout ahead of a possible fall fight with the winner of the May 2 Hatton-Pacquiao bout.

HBO, however, would have to come up with a substantial license fee to make it work, so it remains to be seen if a bout on the network could be made. A summer comeback fight for Mayweather, who has been dogged by IRS issues, could also go on pay-per-view instead.

HBO also has another dilemma. One of the reasons it has not committed to giving Main Events and Golden Boy Promotions the July 11 date for a fight that is being negotiated between cruiserweight champion Tomasz Adamek and former two-division champion Bernard Hopkins is because it is also talking to Mayweather about the date, said one of the sources, who has knowledge of HBO's issue.

"They don't want to upset Floyd and they hope the situation resolves itself," the source said.

HBO president Ross Greenburg was tight-lipped on the matter.

"Not only do I have no comment, it's premature to discuss," Greenburg told ESPN.com on Wednesday. "There are no real substantive talks."

But has Mayweather or one of his advisers contacted HBO about a summer fight?

"I'm not confirming or denying that," Greenburg said. "I'm not going to comment. Call me back in a few weeks."

Talk about a Mayweather comeback has swirled for months.

In December, Mayweather (39-0, 25 KOs), who turned 32 on Feb. 24, told his advisers, Al Haymon and Leonard Ellerbe, that they were free to listen to offers for fights.

Earlier this month, Mayweather's father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., who trains Hatton, told media on a teleconference to discuss Hatton-Pacquiao that his son's ring return was imminent.

"Of course, there is no question about it," Mayweather Sr. said. "He's trying to get a fight right now, as we speak. He's gonna fight again."

Haymon could not be reached for comment. Ellerbe did not return numerous telephone messages or e-mails.

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.
 
plzzzzzzzzzz comeback money may

these idiots at work swear up and down JMM would beat the hell out of him and all he does is run in every fight
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I hope this Negro stay retired if he just comin back to fight Pacman or JMM

u got Cotto, Shane, Clottey, and paul at 147
 
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July 4th is the traditional date for fireworks in the United States, but a battle is shaping up over who fights on HBO one weeklater.
Golden Boy and Main Events have offered HBO an IBF cruiserweight title fight betweenchampion Tomasz Adamek and the ever-youthful Bernard Hopkins for July 11th. HBO likes the fight, but has put it on hold pending negotiations for the return ofFloyd Mayweather Jr.

Al Haymon (Mayweather's adviser) has been in talks with HBO about Floyd fighting thewinner of the May 2nd match-up between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton. But first Mayweather wants to sharpen his skills in a tune-up bout and reintroducehimself to the boxing public.

Mayweather's proposed date is July 11th against TBA. Sources say that Haymon wouldprefer that the bout be on HBO World Championship Boxing rather than pay-per-view; possibly because poor pay-per-view numbers would undermineMayweather's negotiating position for a late 2009 fight against the winner of Pacquiao-Hatton. The problem is; Floyd wants pay-per-view money for anHBO World Championship Boxing fight.

Stay tuned.
 
Originally Posted by Bigmike23

plzzzzzzzzzz comeback money may

these idiots at work swear up and down JMM would beat the hell out of him and all he does is run in every fight
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That fight would be a massacre
 
I'm not too thrilled about him finally coming back, I'm just tired of all his BS now that he's on top. If he wants the big money fights it'sunderstandable but if he really wants to prove himself to be an all time great he needs to fight the best out there. JMM and Pac would be solid wins but IMOthey don't present as much of a challenge as guys like Cotto, Mosley, or Williams.
 
Originally Posted by Jagshemash

I'm not too thrilled about him finally coming back, I'm just tired of all his BS now that he's on top. If he wants the big money fights it's understandable but if he really wants to prove himself to be an all time great he needs to fight the best out there. JMM and Pac would be solid wins but IMO they don't present as much of a challenge as guys like Cotto, Mosley, or Williams.


I agree... But we all know Floyd aint worried about proving himself. Thats just the way the sport is nowadays.. Its all about the dollars...

Honestly, the only fighter I see as a real threat to Floyd is Paul Williams... Cotto is too basic and hell get schooled... Mosely would be interesting but Icant see him outboxing Floyd to win a decision... And no one is gonna KO Floyd IMO.

I dont think Paul would win either, but thats his biggest threat. But that fight aint never gonna happen anyway.

On another note, I see Paul having problems in the Winky Wright fight as well.
 
I don't think Winky is going to be rusty at all, that man is going to be out there to prove a point.

If Hatton wins and we have to see another Hatton/PBF I'll +***!$@ scream
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Originally Posted by yungmatt

I agree... But we all know Floyd aint worried about proving himself. Thats just the way the sport is nowadays.. Its all about the dollars...

Honestly, the only fighter I see as a real threat to Floyd is Paul Williams... Cotto is too basic and hell get schooled... Mosely would be interesting but I cant see him outboxing Floyd to win a decision... And no one is gonna KO Floyd IMO.

I dont think Paul would win either, but thats his biggest threat. But that fight aint never gonna happen anyway.

On another note, I see Paul having problems in the Winky Wright fight as well.
Yea, I get that everyone wants to get paid but it's just a shame from a fan's perspective not to be able to see the best fights that couldbe made.

I guess I'm in the minority to think that Cotto would present a challenge to Mayweather. I just think he has the fight combination of boxing ability,speed, and power to make it a rough night for him. I'd still pick Mayweather, though.

About the Williams-Wright fight, I agree, I think people might be underestimating Wright.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

I don't think Winky is going to be rusty at all, that man is going to be out there to prove a point.

If Hatton wins and we have to see another Hatton/PBF I'll +***!$@ scream
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Ugh, that would be awful. Part of what turned me off to Mayweather in the first place was that the Mayweather-DLH II almost happened and thiswould be just as bad.
 
PBF returning is def great for Boxing, in general BUT...

Am I the only one that actually rather see Hopkins/Adamek? Adamek has looked real impressive against Cunningham and Banks. And nobody has even mentioned thatfact that Hopkins would be moving up yet again. That's actually a competitive bout...

Who the hell would Floyd fight at 147 (The best division in Boxing next to 135) and consider it a "tune-up"? Steve Forbes?
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Hey, it "worked" for Oscar.
 
Originally Posted by LESGodSonC0

PBF returning is def great for Boxing, in general BUT...

Am I the only one that actually rather see Hopkins/Adamek? Adamek has looked real impressive against Cunningham and Banks. And nobody has even mentioned that fact that Hopkins would be moving up yet again. That's actually a competitive bout...

Who the hell would Floyd fight at 147 (The best division in Boxing next to 135) and consider it a "tune-up"? Steve Forbes?
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Hey, it "worked" for Oscar.
Yea, I'm going to be furious if this gets in the way of Hopkins-Adamek. Damn you Mayweather
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Winky will be rusty he's been off for good while it just natural . Forbes and Mayweather are constant sparring partners so i dont think that will happenand forbes went back down to 140 . Look for a Collazo, Delvin Rodriguez , Quintana or Jesus Sot-Karass asa comeback fight for floyd .All would be approved byHBO . Adamek- Hopkins could be a good one can the old master beat another bigger younger stronger guy ?? and Could Adamek beat the man that knows all thetricks . I will tell you this if Adamek fights at a slow pace like he did against Banks Hopkins will school him and walk him into right hands all night
 
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