$2,800 a month for everyone (C) Switzerland

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A movement to give every person an “unconditional basic income”—no work required—is gathering speed in Europe. In its biggest victory to date, earlier this month supporters in Switzerland garnered more than 100,000 signatures on a petition and managed to get an initiative onto the national ballot.

“It will be the first time in history that a country will actually vote on whether they want a basic income for all,” Stanislas Jourdan, a “mediactivist” in France who is working on a similar Europe-wide initiative, told me in an interview today. The Europe-wide initiative requires 1 million signatures to get on the ballot and has acquired about 100,000 since the start of 2013.

There is nothing like this happening in the U.S., where conditionality is very much a part of getting government assistance for the young and able-bodied. You can’t collect unemployment insurance without proof that you’re actively looking for a job. And since the Clinton administration, you can’t get welfare without fulfilling welfare-to-work requirements that vary by state. (Here are California’s.)

The Swiss ballot initiative, which isn’t scheduled yet, doesn’t state how big the unconditional stipend would be, but supporters have mentioned 2,500 Swiss francs a month, which is a little under $2,800.

I asked Jourdan whether giving people money with no strings attached might encourage them to be lazy.

“Everyone wants to do something with his life. The question is whether we trust people to do that or we think we have to force people to take a job,” he said. “The morality of work is fading because people can see that whether they’re working or not, they’re not being rewarded according to their efforts.”

Jourdan added: “Many supporters of basic income say it’s also a way to distribute better the jobs. In France there are 3 million people who don’t have a job, and 5 million who work too much. We can surely find a better answer than this.”

I came back to the question of whether people would slack off if the government gave them money with no strings attached. “I think it’s really not true that human nature is lazy,” he said. “I think it’s the opposite. We are all creative. We don’t want to drink beers in front of the TV.” He conceded that some people might abuse the system but added, “It’s better to look at the 99 percent and empower them to do what they want, what they would find fulfilling.”

http://www.businessweek.com/article...2-800-a-month-to-everyone-no-strings-attached
 
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Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?
 
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Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?
You seriously think 2800 a month is enough for ppl to stop working entirely? :lol

With this logic are the ppl getting gov't assistance in the USA not working at all?
 
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Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?

good luck living off 2,800 a month

since its europe, i assume they have higher prices on a lot of things over there.
 
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You seriously think 2800 a month is enough for ppl to stop working entirely?
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With this logic are the ppl getting gov't assistance in the USA not working at all?
$2800/month is a lot more than monthly unemployment and other welfare. You can stretch it if you know what you're doing. There are plenty of people where I'm from and grew up that are on gov't assistance and not working at all.
 
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They have to tax the hell out of businesses. Idk if I like that, idk if I don't like that. I do know this will never be on American shores.
 
I like it.

You seriously think 2800 a month is enough for ppl to stop working entirely? :lol


With this logic are the ppl getting gov't assistance in the USA not working at all?


$2800/month is a lot more than monthly unemployment and other welfare. You can stretch it if you know what you're doing. There are plenty of people where I'm from and grew up that are on gov't assistance and not working at all.
Those are lazy bums on more that one govt' assist. program most likely totaling enough to live wherever they're living.

You right though, I can see this being a success in Switzerland but if done in America the work force would collapse or there'd be a viscous reaction where prices increase where you're forced to work.
 
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Yet another reason why Europe is becoming irrelevant on the world economic stage. While Asia is working hard to build a better middle class, Europe is working on ways to better pay their middle class for less work. Many countries already mandate 4-8 weeks of paid vacation. Add to that a lot of the structural problems inherent in a small and crowded continent like Europe and you see why there are major issues.
 
Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?
good luck living off 2,800 a month

since its europe, i assume they have higher prices on a lot of things over there.
That's still equivelant to over $16/hr for just breathing though. Imagine having 2 people in a house like that. That would be more than $10,000 more than the average working American family makes in a year.
 
 
Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?
Switzerland is one of the most expensive places in Europe, so yes you would still have to work.

Also it's not like the Swiss has a bunch of kids making shoes, all they really do is make luxurious things/run banks/ski resorts, most of these people would probably just treat this as a extra bonus.

Side Note Macau pays it's citizen a bonus of approx 1K USD annually, party to shut people up with money of what China is doing to the city
 
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Why work then? What happens if/when overall productivity of the nation drops?
You seriously think 2800 a month is enough for ppl to stop working entirely? :lol

With this logic are the ppl getting gov't assistance in the USA not working at all?
$2800 depends on where you live... you can do pretty decent in the portland area with $2800 a month...
 
$2800 depends on where you live... you can do pretty decent in the portland area with $2800 a month...
Oh yeah give me that in Mumbai and I'll be a boss, hookers are a penny there according to Ross Kemp Extreme Worlds LOL
 
I like it.

You seriously think 2800 a month is enough for ppl to stop working entirely? :lol


With this logic are the ppl getting gov't assistance in the USA not working at all?


$2800/month is a lot more than monthly unemployment and other welfare. You can stretch it if you know what you're doing. There are plenty of people where I'm from and grew up that are on gov't assistance and not working at all.

I'm assuming you didn't grow up in Switzerland. That country is ridiculously expensive. And their already expensive property market has just been skyrocketing with the influx of wealthy Russians, so costs have been steadily increasing over the years.

2800 EUR a month is NOT going to take you very far.
 
I wish that would happen here
But it would just inflate prices for everything
I would still work and stack that 2,800 for a couple years
 
It'd probably take you 3 months just to buy a watch with that
 
$2800 depends on where you live... you can do pretty decent in the portland area with $2800 a month...


Oh yeah give me that in Mumbai and I'll be a boss, hookers are a penny there according to Ross Kemp Extreme Worlds LOL


Hmmmm...

I think you're thinking about Bangladesh... I saw some preview where prosty's only cost like $1 or $2 there :{






































































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Lolololol only on NT can you not live on 2800 a month. Maybe not in Cali or NYC or Some other overpriced crap city but 2800 will take you a long way in most cities. Hell if rent is 1k you still have 1800 for essential bills, factoring any other deb would be an individual personal problem.
 
it's not alot of money, but it does discourage work.
 
I'd just save it to invest. You could live off that but that's not great at all. I'd still keep a job.
 
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