I find it funny that everyone says "well bron has wade and bosh, so that should disqualify him."
Miami's record when Bron is out: 0-2
Miami's record when BOTH Wade and Bosh are out: 2-0
Once again, this argument comes down to two sides.....the side which point to statistical evidence and facts, and the side which points to a storyline, clever wording and assumptions.
Rose will win the MVP. I just hope that one day basketball voters will smarten up like baseball voters recently have.
Arguing about an award that means absolutely nothing in the NBA. For the most part it goes to the best player on the team with the best record.. so who cares who gets it. If it went down the way it was supposed to, Jordan would have 8-10, Nash would have 0, and Kobe and Shaq would have more than 1 a piece.
Arguing about an award that means absolutely nothing in the NBA. For the most part it goes to the best player on the team with the best record.. so who cares who gets it. If it went down the way it was supposed to, Jordan would have 8-10, Nash would have 0, and Kobe and Shaq would have more than 1 a piece.
did this fool Cake really have the audacity to call Hedo the same player as the year he went to the finals?
Bulls fans kill me with this Rose has no talent argument, Chicago public schools failed your no understanding of mathematics selves. It ain't easy to understand you guys have the Best D which is the reason y'all win and D Rose contributes nothing to that D.
In terms of ability Hedo hasn't dropped off any... has his production dropped yes... has he had sometype of injury that prevents him from doing anything they were doing that year no... What changed is the fact that the ball isn't in his hands to make the play, its in Jameer's so do all your "
" all you want.
2ndly where did you see someone say that Rose has no talent? I don't recall anyone saying that, what was said by me, since you felt the need to reference me, is that the arguement that Dwight has less talent is stupid. I then went on to reference the players whom are deemed his lacking supporting cast... I don't see a lack of talent there. Jason, Hedo, Ryan, JJ all shooter to spread the floor and give him room to operate and they do it pretty damn well. So in a sense its two sides of a coin they may not play defense, which he definitly helps, but they have the ability to score. Pooh's cast plays defense but besides Luol & Carlos who can score? Like I said you can say they aren't living up to their potential but you can't say they don't have talent within there supporting cast.
As far as if they were both healthy for the entire season they'd be all stars... That's just it... they weren't. They missed 50+ games combined and then theres the games in which they came back and you had to adjust for rust timing inconsistencies. But that doesn't play a part in anything, that doesn't really matter because we play good defense... Yea and we're the ones with blinding glasses on
did this fool Cake really have the audacity to call Hedo the same player as the year he went to the finals?
Bulls fans kill me with this Rose has no talent argument, Chicago public schools failed your no understanding of mathematics selves. It ain't easy to understand you guys have the Best D which is the reason y'all win and D Rose contributes nothing to that D.
In terms of ability Hedo hasn't dropped off any... has his production dropped yes... has he had sometype of injury that prevents him from doing anything they were doing that year no... What changed is the fact that the ball isn't in his hands to make the play, its in Jameer's so do all your "
" all you want.
2ndly where did you see someone say that Rose has no talent? I don't recall anyone saying that, what was said by me, since you felt the need to reference me, is that the arguement that Dwight has less talent is stupid. I then went on to reference the players whom are deemed his lacking supporting cast... I don't see a lack of talent there. Jason, Hedo, Ryan, JJ all shooter to spread the floor and give him room to operate and they do it pretty damn well. So in a sense its two sides of a coin they may not play defense, which he definitly helps, but they have the ability to score. Pooh's cast plays defense but besides Luol & Carlos who can score? Like I said you can say they aren't living up to their potential but you can't say they don't have talent within there supporting cast.
As far as if they were both healthy for the entire season they'd be all stars... That's just it... they weren't. They missed 50+ games combined and then theres the games in which they came back and you had to adjust for rust timing inconsistencies. But that doesn't play a part in anything, that doesn't really matter because we play good defense... Yea and we're the ones with blinding glasses on
I find it funny that everyone says "well bron has wade and bosh, so that should disqualify him."
Miami's record when Bron is out: 0-2
Miami's record when BOTH Wade and Bosh are out: 2-0
Once again, this argument comes down to two sides.....the side which point to statistical evidence and facts, and the side which points to a storyline, clever wording and assumptions.
Rose will win the MVP. I just hope that one day basketball voters will smarten up like baseball voters recently have.
I find it funny that everyone says "well bron has wade and bosh, so that should disqualify him."
Miami's record when Bron is out: 0-2
Miami's record when BOTH Wade and Bosh are out: 2-0
Once again, this argument comes down to two sides.....the side which point to statistical evidence and facts, and the side which points to a storyline, clever wording and assumptions.
Rose will win the MVP. I just hope that one day basketball voters will smarten up like baseball voters recently have.
[h1]Should Kyle Lowry be part of the MVP discussion in 2011?
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Spoiler [+]
Kyle Lowry’s game on Sunday night was the 15th best of the season and better than any Derrick Rose has put up so far this season. Additionally, since the New Year, Kyle Lowry has put up .25 more wins than Derrick Rose in 50 less minutes of play time. Lowry also the most wins on his team (and once again, has been playing better than Rose for the last 3 months). So should he be considered a serious MVP candidate?
Okay, this is just silly. Derrick Rose is clearly one of the best players in the game. Afterall, Rose
was the first player taken in the 2008 NBA draft
was voted as a starter in the 2011 All-Star game
scores 24.8 points per game, a mark that ranks 6[sup]th[/sup] in the NBA
leads the Chicago Bulls – the team currently on top of the Eastern Conference standings – in Wins Produced
stars in television commercials
In contrast, Lowry
was the 24[sup]th[/sup] player taken in the 2006 NBA draft
prior to this season, has only started 21 games in the NBA (and may have seen an All-Star game but certainly has never been asked to play)
scores only 13.2 points per game, a mark that ranks 70[sup]th[/sup] in the NBA
Obviously Lowry can’t be compared to Rose.
Then again….
Let’s go back to that Wins Produced story. As noted, Rose leads the Chicago Bulls in Wins Produced. After 69 games, Rose has produced 9.8 wins. And his WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes] is 0.184. So Rose is above average (average WP48 is 0.100).
Now let’s look at Lowry. After 71 games, Lowry has produced 8.1 wins. This mark leads the Houston Rockets. And his WP48 of 0.172 is actually quite comparable to what we see from Rose. In other words, if Lowry and Rose switched places, the fate of each team would be quite similar (and before you say the Bulls need Rose to take all those shots, take a look at what I wrote a few weeks ago at The Huffington Post).
Obviously Lowry doesn’t score as much as Rose. So what makes Lowry so productive?
Wins in the NBA are driven by a team’s ability to gain and keep possession of the ball (i.e. rebounds and turnovers) and how well the team can turn possession of the ball into points (i.e. shooting efficiency and the ability to get to the free thow line). When we look at Lowry’s stats – reported below — we see that his career numbers (these are the career numbers before the 2010-11 season) indicate Lowry was below average with respect to shooting efficiency from the field. But his ability to get to the free throw line and grab rebounds allowed Lowry to be above average.
This season, Lowry has been a more efficient scorer. He is also getting more assists while cutting down his turnovers. As a consequence, Lowry is now offering nearly as much are Rose.
And just like Rose – as the following indicates — Lowry is the most productive player on his team.
The Rockets’ record is 37-34 after 71 games, a mark that ranks last in the Southwest division and leaves this team currently on the outside of the top eight spots in the conference. When we look at efficiency differential (offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency), though, we see a mark of 1.7. This is consistent with a team that would win between 39 and 40 of their first 71 games; or about 45 wins across an entire season. And those marks would actually rank 8[sup]th[/sup] in the Western Conference. So the Rockets are not a “bad
[h1]Should Kyle Lowry be part of the MVP discussion in 2011?
[/h1]
Spoiler [+]
Kyle Lowry’s game on Sunday night was the 15th best of the season and better than any Derrick Rose has put up so far this season. Additionally, since the New Year, Kyle Lowry has put up .25 more wins than Derrick Rose in 50 less minutes of play time. Lowry also the most wins on his team (and once again, has been playing better than Rose for the last 3 months). So should he be considered a serious MVP candidate?
Okay, this is just silly. Derrick Rose is clearly one of the best players in the game. Afterall, Rose
was the first player taken in the 2008 NBA draft
was voted as a starter in the 2011 All-Star game
scores 24.8 points per game, a mark that ranks 6[sup]th[/sup] in the NBA
leads the Chicago Bulls – the team currently on top of the Eastern Conference standings – in Wins Produced
stars in television commercials
In contrast, Lowry
was the 24[sup]th[/sup] player taken in the 2006 NBA draft
prior to this season, has only started 21 games in the NBA (and may have seen an All-Star game but certainly has never been asked to play)
scores only 13.2 points per game, a mark that ranks 70[sup]th[/sup] in the NBA
Obviously Lowry can’t be compared to Rose.
Then again….
Let’s go back to that Wins Produced story. As noted, Rose leads the Chicago Bulls in Wins Produced. After 69 games, Rose has produced 9.8 wins. And his WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes] is 0.184. So Rose is above average (average WP48 is 0.100).
Now let’s look at Lowry. After 71 games, Lowry has produced 8.1 wins. This mark leads the Houston Rockets. And his WP48 of 0.172 is actually quite comparable to what we see from Rose. In other words, if Lowry and Rose switched places, the fate of each team would be quite similar (and before you say the Bulls need Rose to take all those shots, take a look at what I wrote a few weeks ago at The Huffington Post).
Obviously Lowry doesn’t score as much as Rose. So what makes Lowry so productive?
Wins in the NBA are driven by a team’s ability to gain and keep possession of the ball (i.e. rebounds and turnovers) and how well the team can turn possession of the ball into points (i.e. shooting efficiency and the ability to get to the free thow line). When we look at Lowry’s stats – reported below — we see that his career numbers (these are the career numbers before the 2010-11 season) indicate Lowry was below average with respect to shooting efficiency from the field. But his ability to get to the free throw line and grab rebounds allowed Lowry to be above average.
This season, Lowry has been a more efficient scorer. He is also getting more assists while cutting down his turnovers. As a consequence, Lowry is now offering nearly as much are Rose.
And just like Rose – as the following indicates — Lowry is the most productive player on his team.
The Rockets’ record is 37-34 after 71 games, a mark that ranks last in the Southwest division and leaves this team currently on the outside of the top eight spots in the conference. When we look at efficiency differential (offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency), though, we see a mark of 1.7. This is consistent with a team that would win between 39 and 40 of their first 71 games; or about 45 wins across an entire season. And those marks would actually rank 8[sup]th[/sup] in the Western Conference. So the Rockets are not a “bad
I find it funny that everyone says "well bron has wade and bosh, so that should disqualify him."
Miami's record when Bron is out: 0-2
Miami's record when BOTH Wade and Bosh are out: 2-0
Once again, this argument comes down to two sides.....the side which point to statistical evidence and facts, and the side which points to a storyline, clever wording and assumptions.
Rose will win the MVP. I just hope that one day basketball voters will smarten up like baseball voters recently have.
1. saying guard doesn't make your argument more impressive as 2 guards aren't counted on to run the offense.
2. on 20 shots a game and 44% shooting
Forget the fact that his team is 53-19 while their best front court players (all star caliber) have mised over 50 games combined and are
Well luckily he's had at least one of them the entire season and he has 7 other quality nba players on his team.
Forget the fact that he's basically put this team on his back offensively this season especially in the clutch
Good for him, so have other players. Rose is shootoing 38% in crunch and averages 43 points per 48 minutes in crunch time and is +9, Dirk Nowitski is shooting 51% averages 45 points a game. Lebron also shoots 42%, averages 48 points a game, and is +15. Soooo....
Forget the fact that his 3pt percentage is actually respectable and a threat and he's made more this year than he did in his previous 2 combined.
So what, give him the MIP, what on earth does this have to do with the MVP, also average 3P% is 35% so why should I care that he want from being a terrible to below average 3 point shooter.
Forget the fact that his peers, those who play/coach against him the stars of the game have came out and said he's the leagues MVP.
Because we all know that players and coaches are the best talent evaluators.
I find it funny that everyone says "well bron has wade and bosh, so that should disqualify him."
Miami's record when Bron is out: 0-2
Miami's record when BOTH Wade and Bosh are out: 2-0
Once again, this argument comes down to two sides.....the side which point to statistical evidence and facts, and the side which points to a storyline, clever wording and assumptions.
Rose will win the MVP. I just hope that one day basketball voters will smarten up like baseball voters recently have.
1. saying guard doesn't make your argument more impressive as 2 guards aren't counted on to run the offense.
2. on 20 shots a game and 44% shooting
Forget the fact that his team is 53-19 while their best front court players (all star caliber) have mised over 50 games combined and are
Well luckily he's had at least one of them the entire season and he has 7 other quality nba players on his team.
Forget the fact that he's basically put this team on his back offensively this season especially in the clutch
Good for him, so have other players. Rose is shootoing 38% in crunch and averages 43 points per 48 minutes in crunch time and is +9, Dirk Nowitski is shooting 51% averages 45 points a game. Lebron also shoots 42%, averages 48 points a game, and is +15. Soooo....
Forget the fact that his 3pt percentage is actually respectable and a threat and he's made more this year than he did in his previous 2 combined.
So what, give him the MIP, what on earth does this have to do with the MVP, also average 3P% is 35% so why should I care that he want from being a terrible to below average 3 point shooter.
Forget the fact that his peers, those who play/coach against him the stars of the game have came out and said he's the leagues MVP.
Because we all know that players and coaches are the best talent evaluators.
