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I got Barnes going for 35, O'Neal with 17 blocks, and BG spontaniously combusting in flames in the 2nd
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I got Barnes going for 35, O'Neal with 17 blocks, and BG spontaniously combusting in flames in the 2nd
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Only thing that seperates a Star from a Superstar is talent level and impact on the game, not championships.
Durant is a superstar weather he has a ring or not because he's already a historically great player at 25 and has a global impact on the NBA in its golden era.
A ring is only going to solidify what he is to those not fully aware and the brain dead media types, basically like 55% of this thread.
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Durant Westbrook Harden Ibaka...yeah he didn't have a team. Heat 4 OKC 1. Y'all act like that Thunder team was A Is Sixers.
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its just the way it is and the way it always has been. if you want to be at the top of the nba legend's list you have to win multiple championships
when you win championships they define your career, when you dont that defines your career.
theres a reason kobe is trying so hard after 18 years just to tie jordan with 6 rings
theres a reason why mj thinks kobe > lebron because of rings
theres a reason why magic and bird are about equal basketball players but bird says magic was better only because he won more rings
look at all the slander payton manning gets for only having 1 ring
teamsport or not, winning a championship is what makes legends
when you win championships they define your career, when you dont that defines your career.
theres a reason kobe is trying so hard after 18 years just to tie jordan with 6 rings
theres a reason why mj thinks kobe > lebron because of rings
theres a reason why magic and bird are about equal basketball players but bird says magic was better only because he won more rings
look at all the slander payton manning gets for only having 1 ring
teamsport or not, winning a championship is what makes legends
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Thank you. Been arguing the same thing for the past 5 pages but you articulated it better than me.
And he's another one that could lean on an excuse
it's gotta be exhausting having someone blow by Harden almost every possession and cleaning up that mess.Again, I'm not saying it's completely unwarranted. But, there is a lot of selective memory going on when it comes to him.
You watch the Knicks playoffs the last two years, you'll see that while he was a big part of their wins he is also a gigantic part of there losses with his refusals to pass and inability to defend. If you're going to hold it against CP that he puts his teammates in the best position to succeed and make open shots and they continue to falter, then that's where we'll have to agree to disagree.
There is a HUGE difference between shooting your team out of games and taking your teammates ability to impact games away like Melo and Kobe have been known to do/accused of over the years than having below average and even star teammates continue to shrink in the big moment.
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Skip really said that CP isn't elite though?
I was ok with the not being a superstar until you have the ring and all, but to say he isn't elite and/or the best pg in the game right now is crazy.
Can you really say anything about Barkley and Ewing not having rings, when 1 man single-handedly kept them from winning rings? Oh and those 2 years for HOU thrown in there too
I could see if it was a different team every year or every other year getting the title and you are still left with nothing, but for one man (the greatest of all time at that) to play in your era and win everything, means Reggie Miller wasn't a superstar/elite, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Dominique Wilkins, insert anyone to play during the 90s was not a superstar...Only Jordan, Hakeem, & Pippen
I was ok with the not being a superstar until you have the ring and all, but to say he isn't elite and/or the best pg in the game right now is crazy.
Can you really say anything about Barkley and Ewing not having rings, when 1 man single-handedly kept them from winning rings? Oh and those 2 years for HOU thrown in there too
I could see if it was a different team every year or every other year getting the title and you are still left with nothing, but for one man (the greatest of all time at that) to play in your era and win everything, means Reggie Miller wasn't a superstar/elite, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Dominique Wilkins, insert anyone to play during the 90s was not a superstar...Only Jordan, Hakeem, & Pippen
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dunk on/dunk by >> star/superstarThis star/superstar **** is about the dumbest **** I've ever read in this thread, and that is saying something.
Good God.
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So only your definition of Superstar is valid and everyone else who has a different opinion of what makes a Superstar is wrong.
Ok got it.
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That Thunder team was great but they went up against 3 HOF'ers who were better with a better coach and homecourt advantage.
You expect KD to waltz in at 23 and win his first title? Especially when that 3rd link, Harden disappeared?
@ mentioning Ibaka in 2012. Stop the revisionist history man.
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dunk on/dunk by >> star/superstarThis star/superstar **** is about the dumbest **** I've ever read in this thread, and that is saying something.
Good God.
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Yea I'd think so, because mine actually makes sense from the capabilities of an individual player and that's all individual status should be based on.
After seeing your Thunder post, I couldn't care less what you think.
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What else did you see in that crystal ball? and can I get next weeks lotto numbers? How about we let the games play out, okay Champ
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To add to your point, they were a young team and it was their first time. If you had that mix now, the outcome would be dramatically different. To contrast what you alluded to, Magic did it at 19....
That Thunder team was great but they went up against 3 HOF'ers who were better with a better coach and homecourt advantage.
You expect KD to waltz in at 23 and win his first title? Especially when that 3rd link, Harden disappeared?@ mentioning Ibaka in 2012.
Stop the revisionist history man.
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That Thunder team was great but they went up against 3 HOF'ers who were better with a better coach and homecourt advantage.
You expect KD to waltz in at 23 and win his first title? Especially when that 3rd link, Harden disappeared?
Stop the revisionist history man.
Thunder lost that series because they basically just shot jumpers. They didn't and still don't have a low post guy that can back his man down and get an easy 2 pts. Ibaka still takes jumpers and perkins is just there for defense and blocking shots.
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Point taken, but lumping him in the "Melo, Cp3, Howard" category, like somebody else said, is foolish.
And even still we know how lebron got his rings, by teaming up with two other all-stars in a very weak conference. So are we really gonna put THAT much weight into "rings".
(Not saying LeBron is in any way "wrong" for what he did. Just making a point)
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Was wondering why this thread jumped so many pages today.
Dudes First Take-ified this thread with this "who is a Superstar" nonsense.
Skip won.
Dudes First Take-ified this thread with this "who is a Superstar" nonsense.
Skip won.
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the whole post up / jumpers thing again The Heat were better and better coached, hell they won with jumpers, 3s to be exact. Nobody on either team was doing work in the post.
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That Thunder team was great but they went up against 3 HOF'ers who were better with a better coach and homecourt advantage.
You expect KD to waltz in at 23 and win his first title? Especially when that 3rd link, Harden disappeared?
Stop the revisionist history man.
Question. If KD never plays on a team you feel can compete and all his parts aren't playing up to par (Harden excuse) and never wins a ring, your giving him a career pass and he will be in Kobe LeBron and MJs class because he puts up numbers?
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I do find it funny when people say they hate first take but still watch it every morning
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To add to your point, they were a young team and it was their first time. If you had that mix now, the outcome would be dramatically different. To contrast what you alluded to, Magic did it at 19....
That Thunder team was great but they went up against 3 HOF'ers who were better with a better coach and homecourt advantage.
You expect KD to waltz in at 23 and win his first title? Especially when that 3rd link, Harden disappeared?
Stop the revisionist history man.
"Magic had Kareem doe. The game was different back then doe"
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Ultimately, I'm not taking anything away form KD's accolades and his skill at the game. But I just really don't think he's at that table yet. And I feel a lot of dudes get that label and don't deserve it either. Especially if I think KD doesn't deserve it.
But whatever. What do I know. I just have an opinion. I forgot that when you don't agree with dudes when speaking on opinions, you're an idiot and they are the know all be all.
I do find it funny when people say they hate first take but still watch it every morning
Man I love that ****. Entertainment.
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