2014 NFL Draft Thread

[100027]

Josh McDaniel was the Belicheck OC right before O'Brien, and he took Tim Tebow in the first round.

Just saying you never know.

Honestly all you can ever really know about an ex-Belicheck guy is that he'll be very, very bad at his job until he returns to the Pats.

 

[buc em]

I'm just saying from the quarterbacks he had in New England and Penn State. All prototypical pocket passers just about the same size as Mettenberger (Brady, Cassel, Hack)

 

[651akathepaul]

Josh McDaniel was the Belicheck OC right before O'Brien, and he took Tim Tebow in the first round.

Just saying you never know.

Honestly all you can ever really know about an ex-Belicheck guy is that he'll be very, very bad at his job until he returns to the Pats.

Great coaching at Penn State though.

I'm just saying from the quarterbacks he had in New England and Penn State. All prototypical pocket passers just about the same size as Mettenberger (Brady, Cassel, Hack)

Yeah, but none of them were necessarily his guys. All there when he showed up. He didn't draft or recruit them. Even still...Mettenberger may very well fit the bill, but I have no idea what to expect from O'Brien.

 

[100027]

Great coaching at Penn State though.
Yeah, but none of them were necessarily his guys. All there when he showed up. He didn't draft or recruit them. Even still...Mettenberger may very well fit the bill, but I have no idea what to expect from O'Brien.

Because they went 8-4 and 7-5 n 2 seasons?  I think he probably benefitted from the "redemption" narrative.

 

[651akathepaul]

Great coaching at Penn State though.

Yeah, but none of them were necessarily his guys. All there when he showed up. He didn't draft or recruit them. Even still...Mettenberger may very well fit the bill, but I have no idea what to expect from O'Brien.

Because they went 8-4 and 7-5 n 2 seasons?  I think he probably benefitted from the "redemption" narrative.

Yes. Exactly because of those records. The majority of the top prospects on that team transferred when the **** went down and Paterno was gone. Are you serious?

Looking at the record means nothing at face value if you don't know account for the circumstances.

 

[100027]

Yes. Exactly because of those records. The majority of the top prospects on that team transferred when the **** went down and Paterno was gone. Are you serious?

Looking at the record means nothing at face value if you don't know account for the circumstances.

Right, but being able to be "decent with poor talent" is very different from "being able to be great".  We've seen that over and over in different sports from coaches who can't make that leap.  

 

[651akathepaul]

Yes. Exactly because of those records. The majority of the top prospects on that team transferred when the **** went down and Paterno was gone. Are you serious?


Looking at the record means nothing at face value if you don't know account for the circumstances.

Right, but being able to be "decent with poor talent" is very different from "being able to be great".  We've seen that over and over in different sports from coaches who can't make that leap.  

Okay, I see the point, but we can't assume that O'brien files right in line with that assumption. There's a very small percentage of coaches who could have gotten PSU to be mediocre those years. We have to start with what we know. Bill O'brien is a very good coach. Of course, coaching is only half the battle in the NFL. You need to be able to evaluate and select the right players. That's where we don't know.

 

[100027]

Okay, I see the point, but we can't assume that O'brien files right in line with that assumption. There's a very small percentage of coaches who could have gotten PSU to be mediocre those years. We have to start with what we know. Bill O'brien is a very good coach. Of course, coaching is only half the battle in the NFL. You need to be able to evaluate and select the right players. That's where we don't know.

I just don't understand why teams continue to hand these levels of control, based on limited experience/success, to coaches from the Pats organization.  Haven't they all been enormous failures?

-Romeo Crennel

-Al Groh (resigned to return to college)

-Josh McDaniels

-Eric Mangini

-Greg Schiano

-Best BY FAR was Jim Schwartz

Most of these guys didn't just fail.  They left the organizations behind them as burning wreckage.  Crennel and Mangini got second chances as head coaches and were awful a second time.  McDaniels went as an OC in St. Louis and did one of the worst jobs I've ever seen.

And there's no question that O'Brien is getting this job because of the Pats connection, not really because of the Penn State thing.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Okay, I see the point, but we can't assume that O'brien files right in line with that assumption. There's a very small percentage of coaches who could have gotten PSU to be mediocre those years. We have to start with what we know. Bill O'brien is a very good coach. Of course, coaching is only half the battle in the NFL. You need to be able to evaluate and select the right players. That's where we don't know.

I just don't understand why teams continue to hand these levels of control, based on limited experience/success, to coaches from the Pats organization.  Haven't they all been enormous failures?

-Romeo Crennel
-Al Groh
-Josh McDaniels
-Eric Mangini
-Best BY FAR was Jim Schwartz

guys under belichick are basically puppets who won't "buck the system" in NE and essentially just do what he wants. they're all mostly "yes men"

 

[100027]

guys under belichick are basically puppets who won't "buck the system" in NE and essentially just do what he wants. they're all mostly "yes men"

Exactly, it's clearly a one-man organization.  

What's interesting is that most of those guys failed in a similar way too, trying to be in total control a-holes, Belicheck's attitude without his coaching chops.

 

[651akathepaul]

I agree. But it still doesn't automatically result in O'brien being the same. To me it boils down to one thing. Can he evaluate and draft the right players? If he can, then Houston will be successful. If he's like McDaniels and doesn't have a clue about evaluating, then he will fail. But as a coach, I think he's very good.

 

[651akathepaul]

Give the guy a chance. He's not recycled.

Recycled is a guy like Norv Turner or Wade Phillips. O'Brien has had one head coaching job and he did very well in that job given the circumstances. Those circumstances were very heavy at that.

 

[do work son]

My biggest concern with the BOB hiring was what's being said now, dudes leaving the Hoody coaching umbrella and ultimately failing and burning down the franchise.

He had some success in taking a program from one of the darkest places a college team can ever be and had success.

I rather swing and miss with a new name then some recycled head coach.

Give the guy a chance. He's not recycled.

Recycled is a guy like Norv Turner or Wade Phillips. O'Brien has had one head coaching job and he did very well in that job given the circumstances. Those circumstances were very heavy at that.

he meant, he'd rather swing and miss with o'brien, than a norv turner wade phillips.

 

[str8drop]

 

 

Okay, I see the point, but we can't assume that O'brien files right in line with that assumption. There's a very small percentage of coaches who could have gotten PSU to be mediocre those years. We have to start with what we know. Bill O'brien is a very good coach. Of course, coaching is only half the battle in the NFL. You need to be able to evaluate and select the right players. That's where we don't know.

I just don't understand why teams continue to hand these levels of control, based on limited experience/success, to coaches from the Pats organization.  Haven't they all been enormous failures?

-Romeo Crennel
-Al Groh
-Josh McDaniels
-Eric Mangini
-Best BY FAR was Jim Schwartz

guys under belichick are basically puppets who won't "buck the system" in NE and essentially just do what he wants. they're all mostly "yes men"

 

 The most successful thus far has definitely been Saban (albeit not in the NFL) and Dimitroff

BB has addressed this before tho he said he actually tells other coaches he's cool with to be more open to input from their staff, as far as NE he said basically some things are open and some things are definitely off limits 

 

 

[651akathepaul]

Got it.

Anyway...What the hell was I talking about to begin with?


Ah, yes. A.J. McCarron >

 

[100027]

   The most successful thus far has definitely been Saban (albeit not in the NFL) and Dimitroff

BB has addressed this before tho he said he actually tells other coaches he's cool with to be more open to input from their staff, as far as NE he said basically some things are open and some things are definitely off limits   

Yeah Dimitrioff is probably the most in the NFL. Though if you want to talk GMs you have to include Lombardi and Pioli

Savan would be another NFL burnout, but I wasn't sure if he counts. Though obviously he's had huge college success being an a hole.

 

[ii flash ii]

Vick signed with the Jets according to Schefter

 

[Peep Game]

guys under belichick are basically puppets who won't "buck the system" in NE and essentially just do what he wants. they're all mostly "yes men"

Exactly, it's clearly a one-man organization.  

What's interesting is that most of those guys failed in a similar way too, trying to be in total control a-holes, Belicheck's attitude without his coaching chops.

I'm just hoping the total opposite happens. It's cool to bring some of that influence over, but not try to re-create the Patriots here. Like somebody mentioned on the radio, you can't try to re-create those championship Bulls teams trying to use Monta Ellis as Michael Jordan.

 

[herbshuttles15]

Dimitroff has built a team that has one total playoff victory

 

[100027]

Dimitroff has built a team that has one total playoff victory

Yeah and with no depth whatsoever. Wouldn't be surprised to see him fired next year or after

 

[str8drop]

Yep I think Dimitroff and Smith should both be on the hot seat this year

He's drafted pretty good with Ryan, Weatherspoon, Baker, and then Trufant last year, I'm still scratching my head at that Julio trade tho. I mean he's def a top receiver in the L but gahdamn he gave up a 1st, 2nd and 4th in 2011 AND a 1st and 4th in 2012 

 that's like a Bizarro Belichick move. Supposedly he even reached out to BB before hand who he told him it wasn't a good move and he went with it anyway 

 

 

[100027]

Can't believe giving up that much for anything less than a top QB

 

[651akathepaul]

Man, **** Vikingsmessageboard.com

They deleted my thread about McCarron.

A dude hated on the idead and said A.J. is a clone of Leinart and Barkley, which I naturally challenged and questioned if he had a clue. Then I pressed him about why exactly he liked Murray and Garoppolo, as he went ghost. That NT school of debating has me too tough for these dudes, I guess.

#proudmemberofniketalk

/rant

 

[CP1708]

You suck, be nicer to people.

 

[651akathepaul]

****..I guess.