2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT

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Let my man IATT IATT cook for a few hours.

Literally just going at the hyperbole of some of these statements.. hoping folks will temper some of this stuff.. there is/are clearly reasoned discussions to be had

Like your post that other day, you were defending KD and what he said.. somehow that gets interpreted as you being salty solely because you're a thunder fan

I was curious as to the reasoning behind that one too, but couldn't be bothered.. like literally read your post like 3-4 times to check to make sure I was reading it correctly



I hope you caught the pats part of that whole thing.. i you know how I feel about yall
 
The thought of Dray being a #1 option on a 2013 t wolves....and leading them to 41 wins in the west ::lol

Or Klay Thompson actually having ball handling and creative duties...and having to do more then spot up :x

All of these guys....including Kyrie and Love are in the perfect roles that maximizes their talents.
 
You can't even say that...Cavs are 4-18 when Lebron doesn't play.

I'm fully aware of that, i'm also aware that when your main player is Lebron, & the offense is so heavily based on him. Your going to struggle to find a rhythm and win games while adjusting. It's not like we've seen this scenario playout over months or extended period. It's a game or two here, maybe a week there.

A team consisting of

Kyrie
J.R
Korver
Love
Thompson

with D-Will, Shumpert, RJ & Frye is good enough to reach a top 4 seed in the East imo, barring injury
 
The thought of Dray being a #1 option on a 2013 t wolves....and leading them to 41 wins in the west ::lol

Or Klay Thompson actually having ball handling and creative duties...and having to do more then spot up :x

All of these guys....including Kyrie and Love are in the perfect roles that maximizes their talents.

Neither klay or draymond is the 2nd best player on that team
 
If you took both the Cavs and Dubs rosters and ranked the players in order, what order would you have them?

I'm curious to how most would rank players outside the Top 3, and even how they would rank the Top 3.

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Draymond
5. Kyrie
6. Klay
7. Love
8. TT
9. JR
10. Iggy (Injured or he'd be 9)
11. Korver
12. Javale

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This is going 7 games, the Cavs are deep enough to outplay the warriors bench
 
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Draymond

here's my question to this and it's a hard thing to assess, but is Draymond really better than Love or Kyrie? his skillset is PERFECT for his role on GS & IMO he's more important to the W's than Love is to Cle, maybe even with Kyrie role on Cle. But if we're building a team does Dray really go before those two? same with Klay

It's hard to determine things like this because we haven't seen the W's guys outside of this system that utilizes their skills to the max.

Draymond isn't suited to be a high-usage guy on offense, but he's the likely DPOY this year and that would translate to any team. He's the most versatile defensive player in the league. I feel comfortable having him ahead of those guys.
 
I'm fully aware of that, i'm also aware that when your main player is Lebron, & the offense is so heavily based on him. Your going to struggle to find a rhythm and win games while adjusting. It's not like we've seen this scenario playout over months or extended period. It's a game or two here, maybe a week there.

A team consisting of

Kyrie
J.R
Korver
Love
Thompson

with D-Will, Shumpert, RJ & Frye is good enough to reach a top 4 seed in the East imo, barring injury
That's definitely not a top 4 team in the East. Have of those guys are useless without a playmaker like Lebron.
 
You can't even say that...Cavs are 4-18 when Lebron doesn't play.

I'm fully aware of that, i'm also aware that when your main player is Lebron, & the offense is so heavily based on him. Your going to struggle to find a rhythm and win games while adjusting. It's not like we've seen this scenario playout over months or extended period. It's a game or two here, maybe a week there.

A team consisting of

Kyrie
J.R
Korver
Love
Thompson

with D-Will, Shumpert, RJ & Frye is good enough to reach a top 4 seed in the East imo, barring injury

But that's a hypothetical...not based on fact. The fact is what the Cavs' record looks like when Lebron doesn't play. Love couldn't lead in Minnesota and put up hollow #'s...Kyrie was a mess before Lebron came to town. Now, all 3 together are amazing when everything is clicking...but it ALL hinges on what Lebron brings to the table. I refuse to put Kyrie/Love in the same breath as some other duos around the league who have actually produced and played better team ball.
 
Never even said Dray was a #1 option but ok :lol

Dude asked about building a team. Yuckmouth the most versatile player in the league. I'll take that over one dimensional players.
 
Kyrie and Love together without Bron aint doing ****, lets be real here now :lol ...both their talents affect winning only when Bron is around

And NO TEAM in the nba is signing up for Draymond to be their franchise guy or best player on the team...he's the ultimate role player , who's great at what he does on a team that's a perfect fit for him
 
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That's definitely not a top 4 team in the East. Have of those guys are useless without a playmaker like Lebron.

Same could be said for most of the Celtics, roster except they don't have a Lebron level playmaker
Same Could be said for the ENTIRE wizards squad w/o Wall
Same could be said for the Pacers w/o PG

etc etc

I think K.Love and Kyrie are potent enough on offense to create ample opportunity to get those guys going.

Hell Boston just got the #1 seed with A score first PG (who's an okay playmaker at best) & Horford (A big who is predominately on the perimeter) & a good set of role players. i def think that's enough to do some damage in the East
 
 
 
If you took both the Cavs and Dubs rosters and ranked the players in order, what order would you have them?

I'm curious to how most would rank players outside the Top 3, and even how they would rank the Top 3.
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Draymond
5. Kyrie
6. Klay
7. Love
8. TT
9. JR
10. Iggy (Injured or he'd be 9)
11. Korver
12. Javale
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This is going 7 games, the Cavs are deep enough to outplay the warriors bench
Javale in the top 12 over Livingston? 
 
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This is going 7 games, the Cavs are deep enough to outplay the warriors bench
Where is this depth that you guys see with the Cavs against the Warriors?

As I said before, You've got Shump and D Will averaging 5 a game, Channing Frye can't play, JR Smith isn't what he was last year, RJ isn't what he was last year, K Love couldn't play against GSW last year, Kyle Korver may not even be able to play against the Warriors,

Where's the depth?
 
Where is this depth that you guys see with the Cavs against the Warriors?

As I said before, You've got Shump and D Will averaging 5 a game, Channing Frye can't play, JR Smith isn't what he was last year, RJ isn't what he was last year, K Love couldn't play against GSW last year, Kyle Korver may not even be able to play against the Warriors,

Where's the depth?

It's not there, it's fabricated so people can pretend both teams are equal. Only chance is lebron and kyrie going god mode.
 
All I know is there's gonna be a lot of **** talking, technicals, tantrums and dirty plays in the Finals.

As a fan, I honestly believe these 2 teams don't like each other.
 
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This is going 7 games, the Cavs are deep enough to outplay the warriors bench
Where is this depth that you guys see with the Cavs against the Warriors?

As I said before, You've got Shump and D Will averaging 5 a game, Channing Frye can't play, JR Smith isn't what he was last year, RJ isn't what he was last year, K Love couldn't play against GSW last year, Kyle Korver may not even be able to play against the Warriors,

Where's the depth?
I don't get it. After Friday night the Cavs were the most stacked team in the league with all those incredible players. Now all of a sudden the Cavs are literally two players followed by NBA scrubs.
 
It's not there, it's fabricated so people can pretend both teams are equal. Only chance is lebron and kyrie going god mode.
I'm not even being sarcastic and I am genuinely rooting for the Cavs to win. I want Bron to flourish.

But they aren't equal. They aren't close to being equal. The cavs, like the rest of the league, just have too many one way players that either can't defend, or can't score well enough to keep up with Golden State.

Bron and Kyrie going god mode ALONG WITH the warriors missing shots, or some other form of chaos is really the only tangible way I can see the cavs pulling this off. I don't see this depth, and I don't see this equality between the two teams. Wilbon on ESPN last night called it a 'Pick Em' Series and that's insane to me.
 
 
I don't get it. After Friday night the Cavs were the most stacked team in the league with all those incredible players. Now all of a sudden the Cavs are literally two players followed by NBA scrubs.
1) Who said they were the most stacked team in the league after Friday Night?

and

2) You can't list their roster w/o listing their opponent. Relative to GSW, the Cavs aren't stacked at all. From a roster standpoint, they like most of the NBA are ill equipped to handle GSW's switching w/size and length defense and overwhelming offensive output. Korver is great against Boston and Toronto. Against GSW, not so much. Same for most of their other ancillary parts.
 
A team consisting of

Kyrie
J.R
Korver
Love
Thompson

with D-Will, Shumpert, RJ & Frye is good enough to reach a top 4 seed in the East imo, barring injury

That team is an absolute nightmare on defense. They're already not good defensively with LeBron, and replacing him in the starting lineup with Kyle Korver? Good luck stopping anyone. That team better score 135, because they're giving up an easy 130.
 
All I know is there's gonna be a lot of **** talking, technicals, tantrums and dirty plays in the Finals.

As a fan, I honestly believe these 2 teams don't like each other.

Need this finals to be good.. but yea, whoever wins there is going be a TON of shh talk

Lebron doesn't win expect skip bayless and co to be found.. plus draymond and the owner will go off

Warriors don't win, fully expect draymond to do something stupid.. plus KD to get roasted, probably from skip
 
Need this finals to be good.. but yea, whoever wins there is going be a TON of shh talk

Lebron doesn't win expect skip bayless and co to be found.. plus draymond and the owner will go off

Warriors don't win, fully expect draymond to do something stupid.. plus KD to get roasted, probably from SAS
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