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Does NickFolarin want to be a Lion fan again?

  • Yes, too bad he can't go back

  • No, he will wear his Bortles jersey with pride (but really shame)


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sorry, papi
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you need a hug too bro?

come here ITO.
 
MF conveniently leaves out how I support all my presidents and only reads what he wants to while not recognizing all the facts to support his narratives... also surprising.
 
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You guys know we're heading into hurricane season and they haven't appointed a head of FEMA?

Football related....
 
 
If Trump was really America first, we would be investing more in cleaner energy that emits less pollution and higher standards in maintaining better water supplies instead of trying to revive a dying industry for the sake of fattening the pockets of greedy coal businessmen who have cut jobs thanks to machines that are more efficient.

Sorry, I don't eat up the Trump propaganda and I rely on pure science and facts.
And the three pockets are oil, coal and solar.

I agree with this as well, but I wonder if you ate up the "Hope" and Yes we can propaganda that Obama won with. Have that shirt like people have Trump hats possibly?

I don't get how siding with someone makes a person right. If Trump came out tomorrow stating "The White Man is the superior race..." ok, we AS A PEOPLE have an uprising.

You have a man continuously talking about improving American lives, why not support that until proven otherwise? Why wouldn't you support your President... Because they don't agree with the party you directly affiliate with? Don't get it, would rather have diversity than unity.
People don't deserve respect because of the position they hold that has to be earned. I respect the office of the presidency and because of that I hold that office to a higher standard than someone like Trump. This has nothing to do with party or not wanting unity the man is incompetent and disgrace to this country, the office of the President and what it should mean to be the leader of the free world.
 
I can respect that answer and it's absolutely valid and this country gives you the right to do so... but when these Presidents are found to of done dirt (Clinton and others, too long of a list) do you hold them to the same slander and standard? Wouldn't they be just as incompetent because of the poor decision making? When Clinton repealed the Glass Steagall act, would that not be as incompetent. (I really could go on but I believe you get my point).

Not one of us could begin to understand how difficult that chair is, you say he's unfit... sure, as a politician I'd say you're right. As a businessman I'd say you're pissin in the wind and that there possibly may not be a right way to do that job. We don't know. I am also of the belief that having a party system in this day and age proves more harm than good, republican/democrat/socialist/etc just further divides and it's gotten worse with the up to the second media.

Regardless, my statement of unity stands. I believe in working with people rather than calling them a moron and letting it all fall apart.

We as a people voted him in, before it's asked. No, I didn't vote for him. Nor would I, just like I wouldn't vote for Hillary. Ever, for the both of them. Fun fact that will blow some people's minds. But I believe he, and anyone, needs to be surrounded by the best people possible.
 
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I can respect that answer and it's absolutely valid and this country gives you the right to do so... but when these Presidents are found to of done dirt (Clinton and others, too long of a list) do you hold them to the same slander and standard? Wouldn't they be just as incompetent because of the poor decision making? When Clinton repealed the Glass Steagall act, would that not be as incompetent. (I really could go on but I believe you get my point).

Not one of us could begin to understand how difficult that chair is, you say he's unfit... sure, as a politician I'd say you're right. As a businessman I'd say you're pissin in the wind and that there possibly may not be a right way to do that job. We don't know. I am also of the belief that having a party system in this day and age proves more harm than good, republican/democrat/socialist/etc just further divides and it's gotten worse with the up to the second media.

Regardless, my statement of unity stands. I believe in working with people rather than calling them a moron and letting it all fall apart.

We as a people voted him in, before it's asked. No, I didn't vote for him. Nor would I, just like I wouldn't vote for Hillary. Ever, for the both of them. Fun fact that will blow some people's minds.
Yes I hold all presidents to that standard I dont agree with what Bill Clinton did to further the prison industrial complex I disagreed with Hilary on certain issues and President Obama with his drone strikes BUT I never questioned their competency to hold the office of president unlike this current president.

And to the part bolded in red Trump was one of those people. He said himself didn't understand how difficult the job was which to me is no excuse. Anyone who thinks running a business would be easier than leading a country like he said is not qualified to lead a country. 

And I don't believe the party system is what divides us now you can have a party system and a perfectly fine democracy if you properly protect it and to do that you have to have a well informed electorate to allow them to make an informed decision but that is not currently the case for several reasons (there are some that feed off of low informations voters to take advantage of and even take steps to make it harder for certain demographics to vote in the first place) Instead we have anti-intellectualism running rampant and people only taking the word of the man who has shown to be a liar. Mix that in with people not understanding how basic government works, economics, international relations and this country having been divided because of divisions (race, gender, class etc) never properly being addressed in how it affects our society today is part of the many reasons he was able to have enough support to win office in the first place.

And i've stated before in a similar discussion not all parties play a equal hand in how bad things have gotten, spreading the blame equally to be fair when we can see for ourselves one party(s) and im not just talking about the political parties has caused more harm than the other is pointless.

Also its funny you say you believe in working with people instead of calling them a moron and letting it fall apart because the current president seems to love that very same strategy. 
 
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