2018/19 Philadelphia 76ers Thread: The Process Continues

I am so glad the Sixers decided to bring in Colangelo and Pringles. You can already see the change in culture. Stories like the one below frustrates me and defeats the purpose of tanking. We could have easily gotten Porzingus but Hinkie's plan backfired. Sam get's no respect from agents, camps, and even players entering the NBA. No one wanted a part of the Sixers mess but things are changing.

The unlikely story of how Kristaps Porzingis found his way to the Knicks

Three days before the 2015 NBA draft, and Kristaps Porzingis feared everything slipping away. He wanted New York, the Knicks, the Garden. Still, Porzingis needed the Knicks to want him, too. And now, 20 minutes into his private workout for Phil Jackson at the franchise's suburban practice facility, his quad tightened and his movement stopped. Porzingis bent over, dread washing over him.

"There was most definitely a lot of fear," Porzingis told The Vertical. "So, so frustrating. This was where I wanted to be – New York. It was my last workout before the draft, and now, this happens.

"As I walked off the court, I was thinking to myself, 'They're not going to take me. I didn't do anything in the workout. They're not going to take me fourth.' "

All around Porzingis, Knicks officials gathered. Immediately, they agreed to end the workout. No need to risk injury, no need to push further. The Knicks had Porzingis dunking medicine balls and shooting and running the floor. For Jackson, this was only his second time watching Porzingis live.

Across the Knicks' practice gym, Porzingis' agent, Andy Miller, and Kristaps' older brother and co-agent, Janis Porzingis, stood on the sidelines. Miller remained unsure of the franchise's intentions with his client, but had increasingly believed that only the courage to withstand the predictable public outcry of choosing a pasty, 7-foot-3 Latvian teenager in the cynical New York market would stop the Knicks from choosing him.

Hours later, Porzingis sat at dinner with the Knicks elders. Jackson and general manager Steve Mills were probing Porzingis, trying to measure his sense of purpose and maturity to withstand what they believed could be a long learning curve in a most cruel and unforgiving market.

Porzingis was perfect in these settings: engaging, enlightened and nonplussed. They talked and talked about everything but the game, and, finally, Jackson brought it up.

"What do you know about basketball?"

Porzingis hesitated for a moment, stunned, searching for the words. He repeated the question in his mind. What do I know about basketball?

Finally, Porzingis answered: "What do you want me to know about basketball?"

"Do you know defense?" Jackson asked.

"I know defense," Porzingis said.

And so they talked about some principles of defense and some offense, and looking back Porzingis laughs now. "Phil Jackson is always two steps ahead of you," he said.

Porzingis had so much poise, polish. Every moment with the Knicks officials was winning them over.

Across two years, there were a series of choices and decisions from the Porzingis family and Miller that allowed Porzingis to find a destiny with the New York Knicks with the fourth pick in the 2015 NBA draft. Without warning, Porzingis is on the cusp of stardom, a transcendent presence making Madison Square Garden alive again.

For the longest time, too, Porzingis' camp had reason to believe he was destined to play for the Orlando Magic. Porzingis entered his name into the 2014 NBA draft with an expectation that he would withdraw prior to the deadline. "Just to get my name out there in the NBA, get some attention," Porzingis said.

He was still so raw and rail thin at 7-foot in the Spanish ACB League. Everyone in the NBA scouted Porzingis closely, but few teams outside of Magic GM Rob Hennigan's front office made Porzingis such a significant priority.

As an organization, the Magic became enamored with the long-term possibilities of Porzingis and became aggressive in persuading him to remain in the 2014 draft. So aggressive, in fact, Miller worked a guarantee out of Hennigan that Orlando would choose Porzingis with the No. 10 pick in 2014. Orlando owned two picks, including No. 4. If Porzingis preferred to play one more year with Sevilla in the Spanish ACB before coming to the NBA, the Magic would support him.

"Rob had a thorough, comprehensive plan," Miller told The Vertical. "He had invested as much, or more time, into Kristaps as anyone in the league. He really studied him. They had a plan for supplemental training, development. It wasn't just, 'Let's just draft him and see what happens.' This was a plan. Kristaps knew the plan and just wasn't ready."

It never did sway Porzingis. He had a vision of his future, a plan of how he imagined it would play out, and that didn't include making the leap to the NBA only because a team had a willingness to choose him in the lottery. Porzingis told his brother Janis and Miller: Next year, I'll be ready. Not yet.

"To me, when I came to the NBA, I wanted to be ready," Porzingis told The Vertical. "How your career starts matters in the NBA, it matters. I needed to play against grown men another year in Spain. The lottery, that didn't matter to me. Being ready, that mattered to me."

Hennigan was heartbroken, but a part of him admired the maturity and staying power of Porzingis' decision. In a lot of ways, it reaffirmed the reasons Hennigan felt his front office had been right about the prospect. The kid had substance, principle.

After Porzingis' pro day workout in Las Vegas this June – a public workout for all 30 NBA teams – Hennigan felt empty walking out of the gymnasium. This time, Orlando had the fifth pick in the 2015 draft. And he believed his chances of getting Porzingis had evaporated. "He won't get past four," Hennigan told friends on his way out of the workout.

Too much had happened in a year, too much had changed. Miller had come to understand it, too. Miller had gone to visit Porzingis and prospect Willy Hernangomez in the Spanish ACB League in February and found himself sitting in a restaurant with his two clients. As the players stood up, Miller became incredulous with the sight and wondered to his European agent partner, Guillermo Bermejo: "How am I going to get Gomez drafted high? He's 6-foot-7!"

"What the hell are you talking about?" Bermejo replied. "He's 6-10."

Miller responded, "He's five inches shorter than Porzingis. How can he be 6-10?"

Bermejo shook his head.

"Yeah, Porzingis is 7-3 now!"

Porzingis had grown more than two inches, but who was measuring him in the middle of Sevilla's season in the Spanish League?

As the 2015 draft approached, Orlando was no longer the primary target for Porzingis, who had become increasingly determined to play for the Knicks. Porzingis' camp knew that it had a draft night floor of No. 5 with Orlando, but its target became New York. The Lakers worked out Porzingis, worked him so hard that "I was getting dizzy in the workout, so tired that I couldn't speak, or put a sentence together," Porzingis told The Vertical. "There were a few moments where I thought I might collapse, but no moments where I was going to give up."

In the end, the Lakers believed Porzingis was too long term of a project, and chose point guard D'Angelo Russell over Jahlil Okafor.

Whatever happened, Miller didn't make it easy for Philadelphia to draft Porzingis at No. 3. The Sixers wouldn't be afforded Porzingis' physical, nor get a private workout, nor even a face-to-face meeting. After most of the pro day executives cleared out of the gym in Vegas in mid-June, 76ers general manager Sam Hinkie lingered to meet with Miller. Hinkie stopped him in the lobby area and asked Miller about a chance to sit down and visit with Porzingis.

"You said that I would get a meeting with him here," Hinkie told Miller.

"I said, 'I'd try,' and it's not going to work out, Sam," Miller responded.

An awkward silence lingered, the GM and agent, standing and staring. The Porzingis camp wanted no part of the Sixers' situation at No 3. Miller couldn't stop Philadelphia from drafting Porzingis, but he could limit the information they had to make a decision. And did. No physical. No meeting. No workout. The Sixers passed on Porzingis on draft night, clearing the way for the Knicks to select him.

Before Jackson made the final call on Porzingis at No. 4, the Knicks did have one significant pause: Talks about trading the pick for a talented wing player and another first-round pick lingered into the late afternoon, but ultimately died when the Knicks couldn't get Jose Calderon's contract into the deal. Before the pick, Miller warned Porzingis, "Be ready to get booed." The Porzingis family knew it was coming. No one cared when NBA commissioner Adam Silver called his name, and his brother Janis just remembers: "We were hugging and so happy, we didn't even hear any of it."

Kristaps Porzingis stood up and started walking toward the New York lights, toward the noise.
 
Although I'm done with tanking after this year..I'm not mad at Hinkie for what he did..After that Bynum situation I had no problem with tanking for Wiggins..who was pegged to be the best prospect in years..We just had extremely bad luck..For us to fall out of the top two that year was crazy..especially to a team with a 1.7 percent chance of winning...There's no doubt in my mind that if we get Wiggins that year..we're not still tanking..Things just snowballed after that and it left Hinkie scrambling.

And with Prozingis..I found it funny now everybody loved him..Prozingis was supposed to be a project..Nobody had him doing what he's doing now..Not even the people who drafted him..He was projected to go 4th in most mocks leading up to the draft and he went 4th..it's not like the Knicks reached and took a flyer on him..Giving a chance to pick Jah or Prozingis on draft night..The Knicks and the rest of the 28 NBA GM's would have picked Jah too.So despite being pissed we missed out on him I can't be mad.
 
Valid points. But the fact that his camp did everything in their power to make things difficult for the Sixers was worrisome. Last year, Philly was the least favourable destination for all rookies. Mainly due to Hinkie's tactic to treat these prospects like assets and nothing more. The human side of things was gone, so loyalty might be an issue.

That being said, I believe with the upgrade in management and coaching, things will start moving in the right direction. If we get #1 or #2 in the draft, we ill be in great shape.

If #1, we obviously take Simmons. We would have to move pieces to fit his game though. I can see Simmons meshing with Noel and Embiid on both ends of the floor but Jah would be the odd man out.

If we get #2, we get Ingram, his outside game in complementary to Jah, but I still think he leaves. I'm just not convinced we could win with a center that can't hold the fort. I think Noel is severely underrated as he is the one who is always mentioned in trade talks. Offence can come from other pieces (especially if we draft Ingram) but as a center, defence should be your main priority.

Also, best case scenario is that Lakers fall to #4 and we draft Dunn at 4.

Nabbing Simmons/ Ingram + Dunn would give the Sixers an A+ in the draft, not to mention Dario coming next year. Trade away one of their three centers (hopefully Jah) for another solid wing and take it from there.

Worst case scenario, LA and Boston get #1 and #2 and we are stuck at #3...again. That's where I see the sixers pushing for a trade. Maybe Jah for Ingram?
 
So I finally switched cable providers and caught my first sixers boardcast of the season the other night..And the first thing I notice....no Malik rose..smh..had no idea he got a front office gig with the Hawks..dude always spoke the truth.

Secondly..When oakafor and Noel were on the floor together it was almost unwatchable..the spacing was horrible and the offense became very stagnant..And probably the most disappointing thing...Noel in the pick and roll..Dude looked lost..he's still very raw..I hoped he would be little more polished by now...Dude really just throws his shot Towards the basket hoping for the best sometimes..Dirk guarding you and you can't get to the basket for an easy dunk..smh..

Hopefully we look a little better tonight aginst the magic..
 
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I'm ready for draft night, please please no 1 this year!!!!!

Please God....

I don't know who I want out of Simmons or Ingram right now but I would rather us have our choice of the two.

Anybody know when the Lottery is?
 
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I am surprised this thread has not been active in the last two days. I honestly am not too sure what to feel about this.

  • Betrayed to an extent because we suffered three years without seeing this through. Lots of stuff happening in the backend and management aborting the mission
  • Relieved because although the process was sound, it just didn't work. Hinkie was very strong in some aspects but very weak in the human and trust side of things. An example would be Porzingus's group blatantly told Sam they did not want to be part of his process and did not even get a chance to see him. Imagine drafting Porzingus instead of Oak, that would have worked beautifully for the Sixers with a Noel/ Porzingus front court.
  • Hopeful that Bryan is in the perfect position to really build a championship contender in a few years. Sixers are making a profit, have a plethora of young talent and draft picks, Jerry Colangelo is great with personnel and so is Bryan and adding to that, Bryan has a strong track record with draft picks (other than a two head scratchers).
  • Disturbed that even though Bryan is a decent GM (for the most part) the process of choosing him was not really the best. The Sixers GM job was the hottest in the market as Hinkie gave the franchise the opportunity to contend, we could have looked at so many other options but instead went the Jerry's son. I am not too sure I am comfortable with that.
  • Careful because Bryan's biggest flaw as a GM with the Raptors was that he was short sighted at times of desperation. Bringing in Jermain O'neal, The Matrix, and Rudy Gay as an all out effort to "win now"

Here is a podcast that sums this situation pretty well:


Here are some of Bryan's draft successes:

PLAYER PICK
Michael Finley 21
Steve Nash 13
Shawn Marion 9
Amar'e Stoudemire 9
Marcin Gortat 57
DeMar DeRozan 9

That's not even factoring in the picks Colangelo eventually spent on players that went on to be decent. Names like Jonas Valanciunas, Stephen Jackson, and Terrence Ross (although Colangelo passed up Andre Drummond to get Ross) developed into decent starters.

Most of Colangelo's best selections came when he was in Phoenix, but his draft record is strong. And given that Hinkie dutifully harvested 26 surplus picks for the coming seasons, including potentially six first-rounders this summer, Colangelo's scouting track record should give fans faith.
 
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Colangelo came on right after that happened. If he never became a part of the team Hinkgod would still be here :{ :{ :{.
 
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Maybe with Hinke gone..The NBA finally let us get that #1 pick..I definitely wanted to see Hinke finished what he started..but I knew with all the scrutiny and bad press the team been receiving I knew this was going to be his last season no matter what..I still completely agreed with what he was trying to do..Just think he had the worst luck ever...even if we had gotten the number 1 pick once and gotten Wiggins or towns. He wouldn't have lost his job I don't think.
 
I wasn't pro-Hinkie so I'm glad he's gone.

I'll give the Colangelos a chance before I really start to judge. Maybe we'll start to attract better players now.
 
I can't see a Superstar players coming to a place like philly..Unless there were already a lot of potential on the roster or its a total win now situation. Before Hinke got here we were in the worst possible place to be in the NBA..good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get a great player in the draft. I can't be mad at him because it look like franchise type players were there..If he would had gotten Wiggins or Kat we probably not haven't this discussion right now.
 
Colangelo In a win-win. If they don't get better right away, he can say well I started with nothing. Blame goes to Hinkie. They get better, he looks like the reason.
 
There is no doubt that Hinkie left Philly in a much better position than when he found it. This GM job was going to be hot on the market as like you said, it's a win win situation and you have been given unlimited options with all the draft picks, young assets and all the cap room in the world.
 
Tonight is the night this franchise start to head in the right direction...Don't screw us Silver..Just give us that #1 pick..
 
Lottery > NBA season bro...all these years of losing is for this day...
 
Trying to stay positive..but to think the fate of a whole franchise comes downs to ping pong balls..makes me very nervous.
 
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